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Garry Kasparov
Kasparov 
Photograph courtesy of kasparovagent.com.  

Number of games in database: 2,465
Years covered: 1973 to 2024
Last FIDE rating: 2812 (2783 rapid, 2712 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2851
Overall record: +695 -107 =709 (69.5%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 954 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (192) 
    B30 B31 B50 B40 B33
 Ruy Lopez (104) 
    C92 C84 C97 C67 C80
 Queen's Gambit Declined (91) 
    D37 D35 D31 D38 D30
 Nimzo Indian (91) 
    E32 E34 E21 E20 E46
 Queen's Indian (78) 
    E12 E15 E17 E16
 Slav (61) 
    D10 D18 D15 D11 D17
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (350) 
    B90 B84 B80 B93 B83
 King's Indian (158) 
    E92 E97 E80 E60 E86
 Sicilian Najdorf (113) 
    B90 B93 B96 B92 B97
 Grunfeld (104) 
    D85 D97 D76 D87 D78
 Sicilian Scheveningen (78) 
    B84 B80 B83 B81 B82
 English (35) 
    A15 A10 A11 A13
Repertoire Explorer

NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kasparov vs Topalov, 1999 1-0
   Karpov vs Kasparov, 1985 0-1
   Kasparov vs Portisch, 1983 1-0
   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1990 1-0
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1994 1-0
   Kasparov vs Anand, 1995 1-0
   Karpov vs Kasparov, 1993 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 0-1
   Adams vs Kasparov, 2005 0-1
   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1986 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match 1984/85 (1984)
   Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1985)
   Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Rematch (1986)
   Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1987)
   Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1990)
   Kasparov - Short PCA World Championship Match (1993)
   Kasparov - Anand PCA World Championship Match (1995)
   Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Banja Luka (1979)
   World Youth U26 Team Championship (1981)
   USSR Junior Championship (1977)
   Sokolsky Memorial (1978)
   Niksic (1983)
   Baku (1980)
   World Junior Championship (1980)
   Tilburg Interpolis (1989)
   Belfort World Cup (1988)
   Intel World Chess Express Challenge (1994)
   Belgrade Investbank (1989)
   Linares (1999)
   Hoogovens Group A (1999)
   USSR Championship (1981)
   Valletta Olympiad (1980)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Kasparov The Killer!! by chezstartz
   Kasparov The Killer!! by Zhbugnoimt
   Kasparov The Killer!! by wvb933
   Kasparov The Killer!! by rpn4
   GK Collection on the move to Fredthebear's den by fredthebear
   0ZeR0's collected games volume 66 by 0ZeR0
   0ZeR0's collected games volume 166 by 0ZeR0
   Power Chess - Kasparov by Anatoly21
   Selected Games of Kasparov’s Chess Career by Cosmo Fan
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by feifo
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by alip
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by Sergio X Garcia
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by rpn4
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by KingG

GAMES ANNOTATED BY KASPAROV: [what is this?]
   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1987
   Kasparov vs I Ivanov, 1978

RECENT GAMES:
   🏆 Champions Showdown 9LX
   Kasparov vs Aronian (Oct-31-24) 0-1, unorthodox
   Caruana vs Kasparov (Oct-31-24) 1-0, unorthodox
   Kasparov vs Sevian (Oct-30-24) 1-0, unorthodox
   G Oparin vs Kasparov (Oct-29-24) 1/2-1/2, unorthodox
   Kasparov vs Shankland (Oct-29-24) 1-0, unorthodox

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GARRY KASPAROV
(born Apr-13-1963, 62 years old) Russia
PRONUNCIATION:
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One of the greatest players of all time, Kasparov was undisputed World Champion from 1985 until 1993, and Classical World Champion from 1993 until 2000. Known to chess fans world wide as the <Beast From Baku> on account of his aggressive and highly successful style of play, his main early influence was the combative and combinative style of play displayed by Alexander Alekhine.

Early Years

Originally named Garry Kimovich Weinstein (or Weinshtein), he was born in Baku, in what was then the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic (now the Republic of Azerbaijan), and is the son of Klara Shagenovna Kasparova and Kim Moiseyevich Weinstein. At five years old, young Garry Weinstein taught himself how to play chess from watching his relatives solve chess puzzles in a newspaper. His immense natural talent was soon realized and from age 7, he attended the Young Pioneer Palace in Baku (where for some time he was known as "Garry Bronstein".*). At 10, he began training at the Mikhail Botvinnik Soviet chess school. He was first coached by Vladimir Makogonov and later by Alexander Shakarov. Five years after his father's untimely death from leukemia, the twelve year old chess prodigy adopted the Russian-sounding name Garry Kasparov (Kas-PARE-off) a reference to his mother's Armenian maiden name, Gasparyan (or Kasparian).

Championships

Junior Twelve-year old Kasparov won the Soviet Junior Championship, held in Tbilisi in 1976 scoring 7/9, and repeated his success in 1977, winning with a score of 8½ of 9. The next several years were spent marking his rise as a world-class talent. He became World Junior Champion in 1980 in Dortmund, the same year he earned the grandmaster title.

National He first qualified for the Soviet Chess Championship at age 15 in 1978, the youngest ever player at that level. He won the 64-player Swiss system tournament at Daugavpils on tiebreak over Igor Ivanov, to capture the sole qualifying place. He was joint Soviet Champion in 1980-81 with Lev Psakhis ** and in 1988 Kasparov and Anatoly Karpov tied in the Super-Soviet Championship***. In 2004, Garry Kasparov won the Russian Championship Superfinal (2004) with a stunning +5 score.

World On the basis of his result in the 1981 Soviet Championship, which doubled as a zonal tournament for the USSR region, he earned a place in the 1982 Moscow Interzonal tournament, which he won, to qualify for the Candidates Tournament matches that were held in 1983 and 1984. At age 19, he was the youngest Candidate since Robert James Fischer, who was 15 when he qualified in 1958. At this stage, he was already the #2-rated player in the world, trailing only world champion Karpov on the January 1983 list. These Candidates matches were the first and last Candidates matches Kasparov contested, as he declined to participate in the Candidates held under the auspices of the PCA in 2002 to decide a challenger to his successor as classical World Champion, Vladimir Kramnik. Kasparov's first Candidates match in Moscow was a best-of-ten affair against Alexander G Beliavsky, whom he defeated 6–3 (+4 -1 =4). After much political ado, Kasparov defeated Viktor Korchnoi in London in the best-of-12 semi-final match by 7–4 (+4 -1 =6), and in early 1984 in Vilnius he defeated former World Champion Vasily Smyslov in the best-of-16 finals played by 8.5-4.5 (+4 =9 -0) to earn his challenge against Karpov. By the time the match with Smyslov was played, Kasparov had become the number-one ranked player in the world with a FIDE rating of 2710. He became the youngest ever world number-one, a record that lasted 12 years until being broken by Vladimir Kramnik in January 1996 and again by his former pupil, Magnus Carlsen in 2010.

At one stage during the Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1984/85), Kasparov trailed 5-0 in the first-to-win-6 match. He then fought back to win three games and bring the score to 5–3 in Karpov's favour after 48 games, making it the longest world championship match ever. At that point, the match was ended without result by the then FIDE President, the late Florencio Campomanes, with Karpov thus retaining the title. Further details can be found in the match link at the head of this paragraph. Kasparov won the best-of-24 games Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1985) in Moscow by 13–11, winning the 24th and last game with Black. He was then 22, the youngest ever World Champion, and broke the record held by Mikhail Tal for over 20 years. Karpov exercised his right to a rematch, the Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Rematch (1986), which took place in 1986, hosted jointly in London and Leningrad, with each city hosting 12 games. Kasparov won 12½–11½, retaining the title. The fourth match, the Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1987) was held in Seville. Karpov had been directly seeded into and won the final match of the Candidates' Matches to again become the official challenger. Kasparov retained his title by winning the final game and drawing the match 12–12. The fifth and last championship match between the two, Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1990), was held in New York and Lyon in 1990, with each city hosting 12 games. Kasparov won by 12½–11½. In their five world championship matches, the combined game tally was +21 -19 =104 in Kasparov's favour.

Kasparov subsequently defended his title against Nigel Short under the auspices of the PCA in 1993, and against Viswanathan Anand in 1995. Five years later, in 2000 (Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000)), Kasparov finally relinquished his crown to his former student, Vladimir Kramnik, who was granted the right to challenge without having to qualify, the first time this had happened since 1935, when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger. Subsequently, Kasparov remained the top rated player in the world, ahead of both Kramnik and the FIDE World Champions, on the strength of a series of wins in major tournaments.

Under the "Prague Agreement" which was put together by Yasser Seirawan to reunite the two titles, Kasparov was to play a match against the 2002 FIDE World Champion Ruslan Ponomariov in September 2003. But this match was cancelled when Ponomariov was dissatisfied with the terms of the contract. Subsequent plans for a match against 2004 FIDE World Champion Rustam Kasimdzhanov, to be held in January 2005 in the United Arab Emirates, fell through due to lack of funding. Shortly after this, Kasparov announced his retirement from competitive chess.

In an interview in 2007, Kasparov said that <…my decision in 1993 to break away from the world chess federation, FIDE, with Nigel Short was the worst mistake of my career. It was a serious miscalculation on my part. I thought we could start fresh with a professional organisation, but there was little support among the players. It led to short-term progress in commercial sponsorship for chess, but in the long run hurt the game...> ****

Classical Tournaments

In 1978, Kasparov won the Sokolsky Memorial tournament in Minsk as a wild card entry, a victory which convinced Kasparov he could aim for the World Championship. He played in a grandmaster tournament in Banja Luka, Yugoslavia in 1979 while still unrated, due to Korchnoi's withdrawal. He took first place with an undefeated record, two points ahead of the field. Game Collection: Banja Luka 1979 He emerged with a provisional rating of 2595, immediately landing at world number 15, a feat only surpassed by Gata Kamsky in July 1990. His first win in a superclass-level international tournament was scored at Bugojno, Yugoslavia in 1982, and his win in Linares in 2002 was the tenth victory in a row, a record for the most consecutive victories in super tournaments: Linares 4 (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, Wijk aan Zee 3 (1999, 2000, 2001), Sarajevo 2 (1999, 2000) and Astana 1 (2001). Kasparov also holds the record for most consecutive professional tournament victories, placing first or equal first in 15 individual tournaments from 1981 to 1990. It started with the 1981 USSR Championship and finished in Linares in 1990. His five epic title matches against Karpov were held during this period. Subsequently, Kasparov won Linares again in 1992, 1993, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2005, the latter being his swan song from the game.

Olympiads

Kasparov played in eight Olympiads. He represented the Soviet Union four times, in 1980, 1982, 1986 and 1988, and Russia four times: in 1992, 1994, 1996 and 2002 playing board 1 on each occasion apart from 1980 (2nd reserve) and 1982 (2nd board). In 82 games, he scored (+50 =29 -3), for 78.7% and won a total of 19 medals, including 8 team gold medals, 5 board golds, 2 performance golds, 2 performance silvers and 2 board bronzes. Kasparov also represented the USSR once in Youth Olympiad competition at Graz in 1981, when he played board 1 for the USSR board 1, scoring 9/10 (+8 =2 -0), the team winning the gold medal.

Team chess

Kasparov made his international teams debut for the USSR at age 16 in the 1980 European Team Championship at Skara and played for Russia in the 1992 edition of that championship. He won a total of five medals including at Skara 1980, as USSR 2nd reserve, 5½/6 (+5 =1 -0), team gold, board gold and at Debrecen 1992, Russia board 1, 6/8 (+4 =4 -0), team gold, board gold, performance silver.

Matches

<Computer> Kasparov defeated the chess computer Deep Thought (Computer) in both games of a two-game match in 1989. In February 1996, he defeated IBM's chess computer Deep Blue (Computer) with three wins and two draws and one loss. In 1997, an updated version of Deep Blue defeated Kasparov 3½–2½ in a highly publicised six-game match. The match was even after five games but Kasparov lost Game 6 - Deep Blue vs Kasparov, 1997 - to lose the match. This was the first time a computer had ever defeated a world champion in match play. In January 2003, he played and drew a six game FIDE Man - Machine WC (2003) match against Deep Junior (Computer). In November 2003, he played and drew a four-game Man - Machine World Chess Championship (2003) against the computer program X3D Fritz (Computer) X3D Fritz, although he was constrained through the use of a virtual board, 3D glasses and a speech recognition system.

<Human – classical> Kasparov played several matches apart from his matches in the World Championship cycles. Full details can be seen at Game Collection: Match Kasparov!.

<Human – rapid> In 1998, Kasparov played a blitz match against Kramnik in Moscow, that match being drawn +7-7=10. He fared better in the 2000 internet blitz match against Judit Polgar, winning one and drawing one. The following year, he played a blitz match against the many times Greek speed chess champion Hristos Banikas of Greece, winning 5 and drawing one. In his 2002 blitz against Elisabeth Paehtz in Munich, he won 6-0. Later in 2002, Kasparov lost a four game rapid match (+1 -2 =1) over two days in December 2002 in New York City against Anatoly Karpov. In 2009 in Valencia, Spain, he again played Karpov, and won the Kasparov - Karpov Rapid Match (2009) 3-1 and the Kasparov - Karpov Blitz Match (2009) by 6-2. In 2011, as part of his Chess In Schools campaign, he played a two game Kasparov - Lagrave Blitz Match (2011) in Clichy France, winning by 1.5-0.5. A few months later in October 2011, he won the Kasparov - Short Blitz Match (2011) 4.5-3.5 (+3 -2 =3), breaking the deadlock after game 7 by winning game 8 to win the match.

<Simuls> In 1985, Kasparov played his first simul against a team, the Hamburg Bundesliga team lead by GM Murray Chandler, and lost 3.5-4.5, the first and only time he lost a simul against a team. In 1987, he played a simul against the same albeit slightly stronger team, but this time he was prepared and crushed the Hamburg players 7-1; later in 1987 he also crushed the Swiss team: Game Collection: Kasparov vs Swiss Team Simul by 5.5-0.5, drawing only with former World Junior Champion Werner Hug. In 1988 he played a simul against the French team in Evry (Game Collection: Kasparov vs French Team Simul), winning 4, drawing one and losing one; he played the French team again in 1989 (Game Collection: Kasparov vs French Team Simul 1989), this time winning three and drawing 3 games. Also in 1988 he played a simul against a group of powerful US Juniors, and won by 4-2 (+3 -1 =2)*****. In 1992, Kasparov played a clock simul against the German team ( Game Collection: Kasparov vs German National Team Simul) which included former title contender Vlastimil Hort with whom he drew, winning 2 and drawing 2. He played a simul against the Argentinean team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Argentinian Team Simul) winning (+7 -1 =4); in 1998 he played the Israeli team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Israeli National Team Simul) winning 7-1, and in 2001 he played the Czech team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Czech National Team Simul) in Prague, winning by +4 -1 =3.

Rating

Kasparov's ratings achievements include being rated world #1 according to Elo rating almost continuously from 1986 until his retirement in 2005. He was the world number-one ranked player for 255 months, a record that far outstrips all other previous and current number-one ranked players. Kasparov had the highest Elo rating in the world continuously from 1986 to 2005. However, Vladimir Kramnik equaled him in the January 1996 FIDE ratings list, technically supplanting him because he played more games. He was also briefly ejected from the list following his split from FIDE in 1993, but during that time he headed the rating list of the rival PCA. At the time of his retirement, he was still ranked #1 in the world, with a rating of 2812. In January 1990 Kasparov achieved the (then) highest FIDE rating ever, passing 2800 and breaking Bobby Fischer's old record of 2785. On the July 1999 and January 2000 FIDE rating lists Kasparov reached a 2851 Elo rating, which became the highest rating ever achieved until surpassed by Magnus Carlsen in 2013. There was a time in the early 1990s when Kasparov was over 2800 and the only person in the 2700s was Anatoly Karpov.

Other

Under Kasparov's tutelage, Carlsen became the youngest ever to achieve a FIDE rating higher than 2800, and the youngest ever world number one. Kasparov also assisted Anand's preparation for the Anand - Topalov World Championship Match (2010) against challenger Veselin Topalov. Since his retirement, Kasparov has concentrated much of his time and energy in Russian politics. He is also a prolific author, most famously his <My Great Predecessors> series. His politics and authorship are discussed at some detail in the wiki article and at his official website cited below. In 2007, he was ranked 25th in The Daily Telegraph's list of 100 greatest living geniuses and has won 11 Chess Oscars.

Kasparov has been married three times: first to Masha, with whom he had a daughter, Polina (b. 1993), before divorcing; to Yulia, with whom he had a son, Vadim (b. 1996) before their 2005 divorce; and to Daria, with whom he also has a daughter, Aida (b. 2006).

Biography: http://www.kasparovagent.com/garry_... Kasparov's official website: http://kasparov.com/ Kasparov Chess Foundation: http://www.kasparovchessfoundation....

* http://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/... ** [rusbase-1] *** [rusbase-2] **** [rusbase-3] ***** http://www.chessbase.com/newsprint....

Wikipedia article: Kasparov

Last updated: 2022-02-28 10:27:37

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 page 1 of 99; games 1-25 of 2,465  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Kasparov vs O Vasilchenko 1-0401973KievC03 French, Tarrasch
2. Kasparov vs S Muratkuliev 1-0321973Baku tt U18C77 Ruy Lopez
3. L Zaid vs Kasparov 1-0381973URS-chT JuniorsE61 King's Indian
4. E Magerramov vs Kasparov 0-1351973BakuB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
5. E Kengis vs Kasparov ½-½541973URS-chT JuniorsB88 Sicilian, Fischer-Sozin Attack
6. Kasparov vs O Privorotsky 1-0381974Azerbaijan Team ChampionshipB40 Sicilian
7. R Sarkisov vs Kasparov  0-1391974City Team ChampionshipB56 Sicilian
8. R Sarkisov vs Kasparov 0-1351974City Team ChampionshipE90 King's Indian
9. Kasparov vs Averbakh 1-0481974Moscow clock simC69 Ruy Lopez, Exchange, Gligoric Variation
10. V Gazarian vs Kasparov 0-1561974Baku Schools Team ChampionshipD86 Grunfeld, Exchange
11. O Pavlenko vs Kasparov 0-1341975Baku Cup FinalE71 King's Indian, Makagonov System (5.h3)
12. Romanishin vs Kasparov 0-1321975LeningradA02 Bird's Opening
13. Kasparov vs Smyslov 0-1301975Team GM/Young PioneersC60 Ruy Lopez
14. Kasparov vs Polugaevsky ½-½251975LeningradA07 King's Indian Attack
15. Karpov vs Kasparov 1-0451975LeningradB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
16. Dvoirys vs Kasparov ½-½451975USSR Junior ChampionshipB89 Sicilian
17. Z Einoris vs Kasparov 0-1421975USSR Junior ChampionshipB59 Sicilian, Boleslavsky Variation, 7.Nb3
18. Kasparov vs V Sokolov 1-0321975USSR Junior ChampionshipB67 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6 Defense, 8...Bd7
19. Kasparov vs E Kengis ½-½271975USSR Junior ChampionshipB52 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack
20. Vladimirov vs Kasparov ½-½301975USSR Junior ChampionshipE17 Queen's Indian
21. Rizvonov vs Kasparov 0-1371975USSR Junior ChampionshipE17 Queen's Indian
22. Kasparov vs Yermolinsky 0-1481975USSR Junior ChampionshipB05 Alekhine's Defense, Modern
23. Kasparov vs S Gorelov 1-0581975USSR Junior ChampionshipC61 Ruy Lopez, Bird's Defense
24. Kasparov vs Yurtaev 0-1441975USSR Junior ChampionshipB39 Sicilian, Accelerated Fianchetto, Breyer Variation
25. Kasparov vs B Kantsler 1-0321975Junior competitionA07 King's Indian Attack
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Feb-18-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  beatgiant: <Petrosianic>
If you don't like another kibitzer, can't you just put him on your ignore list instead of this bang-bang thing of yours which seems to violate a few of the posting guidelines?
Feb-19-21  Petrosianic: <beatgiant>: <If you don't like another kibitzer, can't you just put him on your ignore list instead of this bang-bang thing of yours which seems to violate a few of the posting guidelines?>

I could if everyone else did the same. But when I tried it, it was still impossible to have a real discussion in any of the Fischer groups because he would troll anyone I tried to talk <to>. The baby talk is necessary because it's literally the only way I've ever been able to communicate with harry and have him understand what I was saying without going over his head.

As for the rules, CG seems unconcerned about enforcing them. Harry has spent years insulting posters to break up conversations. Do you think nobody has ever reported him? Of course they have, CG just doesn't care. If you feel you have to report me... well, do what you have to do. I won't hold it against you. Most likely nothing would happen if you did If CG threw us both off the board, I would consider that I had done a public service. If they threw off only me, but not him, that would be so hilariously bureaucratic that I'd have to laugh. (But maybe I should get a paying membership again, just in case that's what it takes to be above the rules.)

The bang-bang thing isn't a joke, though. I do consider him to be mentally unstable, and would be a definite danger if allowed anywhere near a celebrity, and he's pretty pointedly refused to deny anything I've suggested.

Feb-19-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  beatgiant: <Petrosianic>
I partly agree, except I think the <insulting posters> behavior is greatly reduced recently, and it's not clear that constant haranguing about one's pet idea is the same thing as <trolling>. Lots of kibitzers do that to some degree.

And I don't think you can seriously expect to get a reply to some kind of <have you stopped beating your wife> type question or psychoanalyze kibitzers and assess the risk of gun violence based on the threads here, or accomplish anything positive by posting such assessments on the forum.

The site seems to be struggling right now, so yes, please get a paying membership if you can, but not to get above the rules. They can't have full time moderators on all our threads, so we all need to self moderate. That's what I keep telling myself whenever I'm tempted to post anything beyond a medium level of snark.

Feb-20-21  morfishine: <beatgiant> the critical point that <petrosianic> is making is that <CG> is not even enforcing its own rules. The nature of that statement cannot be brushed aside with a "Oh, I understand, blah, blah..."

The fact that <CG> is not enforcing its own rules is exactly why I dropped my premium membership. I refuse to give money to a site that doesn't even make the slightest effort to enforce the rules, which to me is the same as looking after my interests, at least to some degree. Thats the way a pay site relationship is supposed to work

Its disgusting the way <harrylime> continues to crap all over the player pages while <CG> doesn't even so much as lift a finger. I've reported him repeatedly, then when I check back, his posts are still there

Limiting <harrylime>'s nonsensical posts to the <kbitzer> page was a happy compromise, the less damage the better; but alas, I guess he got bored, so he's moved onto the player pages to spread his crap around

Every day, <CG>'s management is looking more and more like Portland and/or Seattle: slap on the wrist enforcement

Feb-20-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  moronovich: I´llsupport every word written by our esteemed <morfishine>.

This site has been in a decline for many months and allowing this <harry> to pee and puke all over the place, is a sympton that shows something is wrong.

Feb-20-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  beatgiant: OK, let's look at his posts since Dec. 30 last:

Apart from the feud with <Petrosianic>, it's things like:

"Bobby was the Internet!"
"Petrosian lost to Bobby"
"Boris owned the bore draw Petrosian too"
"USSR and FIDE were afraid of Robert Fischer"
"Karpov is mega over rated"
"BOBBY...Ready to take on the RANCID CORRUPT CHESS COMMIE WORLD lol lol lol"

Yes, it reads like the output of some kind of weird out of control chess chatbot experiment run by the US Office of Naval Research, but which specific posting guidelines were violated by which specific posts? Building a community of chess fans will always be like herding cats, so we have to make some efforts to get along.

Feb-20-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <beatgiant: OK, let's look at his posts since Dec. 30 last...>

Let's not, thank you very much.

Life is better that way.

Feb-20-21  Absentee: I have a feeling of déjà vu.
Feb-20-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  beatgiant: <Absentee>
Then I'll make one last statement about this and then shut up.

There's no posting guideline that says our kibitzing has to be good quality. And the guidelines about spamming and trolling are often difficult judgement calls. How many times can he post that "Bobby was the INTERNET" until it's spam? If he posts "Karpov is mega overrated" is it trolling? If repetitive, simplistic drivel is a criterion... I won't finish that thought.

We need good moderation here, but we also need to be realistic about how hard it is to draw the line. I don't think the answer is to go on a vigilante mission to counter-troll the trolls.

Feb-20-21  Caissanist: Yup, Harry's postings are worthless and I ignore them, but that's not that hard to do.
Feb-20-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: On the subject of mindless repetition, does <Petrozzzzianic> ever let an opportunity pass of reminding everyone that Fischer resigned his FIDE title in 1974?

I also feel the need to point out that <Hazz> is still <cg.com>'s de facto, if not de jure, champion, and remains open to accepting a title challenge from anyone so minded. Don't be shy, gentlemen.

Feb-20-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  jessicafischerqueen:

For 15 years I have regarded <petrosianic> to be a troll. Constant feuding with other members, and in the present case repeatedly suggesting that another member is a dangerous unbalanced lunatic with a gun who is on the verge of shooting someone in real life, all this indicates his trollery- a particularly vicious and low form of trollery that flirts with an actual legal violation.

The gun-nut fantasy would be a disgusting allegation even if it were not repeated for months on a daily basis. But it is repeated over and over just like all his previous past trollings. I would say petrosianic himself is likely to be suffering from a mental illness. If they made a movie about <petrosianic> it would be called "The Trolling" and it would be a horror/comedy.

I counsel that everyone re-read <beat giant's> posts above on this topic. His is the only sane response to this. Ignore posts you don't like, even use the ignore function, and let other people be whomever they might be. Constant whining and feuding about another member isn't good for anyone.

Feb-20-21
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  MissScarlett: <repeatedly suggesting that another member is a dangerous unbalanced lunatic with a gun who is on the verge of shooting someone in real life>

I just want to reassure everybody that what's suggested is completely untrue - <Hazz> definitely doesn't have a gun, only a hamster.

Feb-20-21  metatron2: From <harrylime>'s posts that I happened to come across here and there, I had the impression that he is a Fischer fanboy, who's knowledge in chess can be summed up in 5 lines (more or less), and he repeats that knowledge over and over, in a childish fanboyish manner.

I didn't see any indication for violence of any kind, so I don't know where <Petrosianic> got that idea from (not every fanboy is Mark Chapman you know, and even if for some reason you think that harry has such tendency, Fischer is already dead..).

I see harry's posts more like a comic-relief, and I fail to see why a knowledgeable poster like <Petrosianic> take them seriously. I don't think that even harry takes his posts seriously. at least not his chess related posts (he does seem to have knowledge in other fields like music, but I didn't really follow..).

Feb-20-21
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  MissScarlett: <Hazz> enjoys the most formidable female protection team since <Colonel Gaddafi>.
Feb-22-21  morfishine: Imagine a new person arrives at <CG> and thinks "This looks pretty cool"

And when he sees the list of players, he thinks "What a great idea"

And when he goes to the Fischer page, he's greeted by a bunch of graffiti crapped out by <harrylime>

He then leaves, never to come back

Thats the point

Feb-22-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: Only if that person has been living under a rock for the last 30 years. But if the site's so terrible, why are you here every day?
Feb-22-21  George Wallace: <Everett: I guess Bobby was too busy spewing hate,...>

Is it just me, or do you all hear him saying that with a lisp too?

"Bobby was too busy thpewing hate..."

Feb-22-21  George Wallace: And the nerds come out with daggers in hand.

<Petrosianic: As for the rules, CG seems unconcerned about enforcing them. Harry has spent years insulting posters to break up conversations. Do you think nobody has ever reported him?>

Whining and crying and crying and whining.

Worse than a bunch of little girls.

Feb-22-21  George Wallace: You know what's wrong with this site? Complainers.

<Moronovich: This site has been in a decline for many months and allowing this <harry> to pee and puke all over the place, is a sympton that shows something is wrong.>

What a tiresome bunch of complainers who complain and complain and complain all the time, every day, all over the whole site.

The only thing wrong with this site is this small group of complainers. If the admin were to ban you half dozen complainers, there wouldn't be anymore "problems".

Feb-22-21
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  moronovich: Spot on <morf> !

And the bottom line doesn´t lie.
We have been bleeding members for a long time.

But let us all stand in front of the Titanic
and play the violins while we worship the evergolden mantra "Free Speech".

Feb-22-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: <And the bottom line doesn´t lie. We have been bleeding members for a long time. >

And your evidence is? I'd also be interested in your data on site traffic and advertising revenues.

Feb-22-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  Williebob: Episode 3 of “Garry on Lockdown”, a video podcast that Garry hosts and talks a ton throughout, is about free speech. His guest is Eugene Volokh, a major figure in American constitutional law and scholarship.

https://ava.st/2W50rNg
Feb-22-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: Lenin put it best. Free speech is so precious, it must be carefully rationed.
Feb-22-21  metatron2: <MissScarlett: And your evidence is>

You really did manage to miss the departure of many major cg members who contributed a lot to this community? that's quite difficult to miss..

<moronovich> I think that the main problem on cg is not the members who leave the site, that is a normal process in such online communities. The problem is that new members are not coming in. at least not members that bring valuable contribution.

I don't think that members like harry and cg moderation is the main reason for that. We had more of these problems back in cg heydays.

The problem is that this site did not evolve over the years. Its community features are old and basic compared with modern social sites. Features like: mention member, reply to post (with threads), likes/dislike posts, response notifications, and online chats, are quite common these days.

Its chess related features are also far behind today's standard. no built-in engines, the pgn viewers are oldish, etc. and the entire web technology is old compared to the responsive modern sites (that don't access the server on every local browser operation, like cg does).

The old cg members (like us) are used to all that, and we kind of like the old and familiar look and feel of this site, and got used to work around its limitations, but I guess that new comers that are already used to modern sites, are not impressed.

When new valuable members leave much faster than new members are joining, the site is declining in all fronts, including its chess-database update and its moderation.

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