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Apr-13-18
 | | Sally Simpson: Don't know why people knock this match and in particular Nigel Short. This match had some of the most exciting and double-edge games ever played in a world title match and, as Retireborn has noted, he did save us all from Kasparov - Karpov 6. "Short was never to be seen again at top level chess." Other have mentioned this is not quite true.
He was 28 when he played his world title match and time creeps up on players. Yet even today 25 years after this event he is still in the top 100 as the oldest player there and the only +50 year old. |
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Apr-13-18 | | Retireborn: I always love getting a name check!
Although I don't actually remember saying that, Geoff. The old memory is not what it was. Only the other day....only the other day what? |
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Apr-14-18
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi retireborn,
I was looking at this post.
User: Retireborn "Short's peak achievement was his match victory over Karpov in 1992; something which a formidable array of other Grandmasters could not achieve." Which in effect means did he stop Kasparov - Karpov 6. |
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Apr-14-18 | | Retireborn: Thanks, Geoff. |
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Apr-14-18 | | Howard: The fact that Short "stopped" K-K VI was not necessarily a good thing. Such a match would almost undoubtedly have been more of a fair fight than the one which actually took place. Still remember Short-Karpov 1992 rather well, on the other hand. Hard to believe that Karpov was eliminated from the WC cycle for the first time in almost 20 years! |
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Oct-11-18
 | | thegoodanarchist: < MissScarlett: <I suspect it may be like one of those "All-Time" lists on whatculture.com where "All-Time" means "within the last 20 years".> The delineation of ancient and modern history is marked by the advent of colour TV.> Soon it will be delineated by the point in history where <Dire Straits> first sang about selling colored TVs. If it hasn't already. |
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Oct-11-18 | | Petrosianic: There's no fixed definition even at any one time. Like, in baseball, what does the word "modern" mean? It can mean anything you want. It can mean starting 1901 when the AL founded. It can mean the end of the Dead Ball era. It can mean postwar. It can mean after so-and-so retired. It can mean whatever you want to make the statistic you're looking for fit. It can also mean nothing specific at all. It's not like the definition keeps changing. There's no single definition to change. |
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Oct-11-18
 | | thegoodanarchist: I am always surprised when I write something tongue-in-cheek, and receive a serious reply. |
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Oct-11-18 | | offramp: Tell me about it! |
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Sep-10-21 | | todicav23: This was a very poor match with a large number of mistakes on both sides (according to the engine). In the first game for example Kasparov spoiled a +8 advantage and Short resigned in an equal position. In game 10 Short spoiled multiple chances of winning the game. |
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Sep-10-21
 | | saffuna: <In the first game for example Kasparov spoiled a +8 advantage and Short resigned in an equal position.> I believe Short flagged. |
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Sep-10-21
 | | keypusher: < saffuna: <In the first game for example Kasparov spoiled a +8 advantage and Short resigned in an equal position.>
I believe Short flagged.>
Right, I looked at the first game and you've pointed that out before. <In game 10 Short spoiled multiple chances of winning the game.> Very few matches where that didn't happen at least once. The way to play an engine-blessed match is to avoid sharp positions and time trouble. Fortunately Short and Kasparov didn't do that. |
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Sep-10-21
 | | Dionysius1: Of all Kasparov's opponents, I wouldn't be surprised if he feared Short most. Not because Short was the one he was most likely to lose to, but because of the consequences if he did. And it WAS possible. |
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Sep-11-21
 | | Williebob: <Sally Simpson: This match had some of the most exciting and double-edge games ever played in a world title match and, as Retireborn has noted, he did save us all from Kasparov - Karpov 6.>
<keypusher: The way to play an engine-blessed match is to avoid sharp positions and time trouble. Fortunately Short and Kasparov didn't do that.>
I'm joining that chorus. Let's hope that Nepo plays like a hungry wolf come November. Carlsen - Caruana made me wonder whether classical-time match play is dead. |
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Mar-18-22 | | keithbc: at the end of the first game, many commentators were lamenting that Short lost on time in a (much) better position. It was sad indeed that he lost on time by a few seconds but the end position was no more that a draw. Due to this, I am left wondering why digital clocks were not used as they were available at the time! |
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Mar-18-22 | | Petrosianic: <Allanur: Had Nigel Short been sly he could have been champion by deafault.> He might have become FIDE Champion that way, but the FIDE Championship was considered the Booby Prize, and sort of still is. Not worth giving up even a failed shot at the real world championship for. |
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Mar-19-22
 | | MissScarlett: < Due to this, I am left wondering why digital clocks were not used as they were available at the time!> Good question. I was going to say that there may have been an obligation to play the final match under the same conditions across the cycle (1991-1993), but the PCA, of course, was a new organisation. Probably there simply wasn't time to test and agree upon a particular model of clock. Digital timers were in use by the PCA Intel Grand Prix series in 1994. |
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Mar-19-22 | | Z free or die: <<Missy> Digital timers were in use by the PCA Intel Grand Prix series in 1994.> Do you know the time control?
And of course I'm wondering how you know this interesting fact about the digital clocks. |
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Mar-19-22
 | | Sally Simpson: The time control was 40 moves in 2 hours, then 20 moves in 1 hour, followed by adjournment. (no game was adjourned.) Garde still sell their digital clock (£64.00) when a good digital retails at about £30.00 The Garde advert adds:
"In 1993, the Ruhla GARDE chess clock was the last non-digital clock to be used in a World Championship, in a match between Garry Kasparov of Russia and Nigel Short of the UK." https://www.mastersofgames.com/cat/... |
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Mar-19-22
 | | MissScarlett: <Garde still sell their digital clock (£64.00) when a good digital retails at about £30.00> Mechanical clock. These Germans and their engineering....they don't want to let a good thing go. <And of course I'm wondering how you know this interesting fact about the digital clocks.> I was somewhere in the shadows for both the 1994 and 1995 London events: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3_... |
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Mar-19-22 | | Z free or die: <... in the shadows...> https://youtu.be/B3_DvCdIsqI?t=840
Yup, I think I spotted you over on the right side of the screen. Of course, analog vs digital is pretty much a push until incremental (or delay) time is used. What was the first such event at these levels then? |
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Mar-19-22
 | | MissScarlett: <What was the first such event at these levels then?> First event with digital clocks or with increments? |
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Mar-19-22 | | Z free or die: Increments (and/or delays) |
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Mar-19-22
 | | MissScarlett: May have been the Tilburg Interpolis tournament held in November-December 1993, which had a knockout format. The January 1994 <BCM> describes it thus: <Each round consisted of two games against the same opponent. If the score was 1-1, quickplay playoffs were held using the patented 'Fischer clock'. After a normal 20 minute or 10 minute quickplay, each player then had a set amount of time per move (i.e. 10 seconds).> The impression given is that the classical games were held using a mechanical clock. |
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Mar-20-22 | | Z free or die: Well, I finally went to wiki for a looksee:
<The increment time control was first used in the privately organised 1992 Fischer–Spassky match, and quickly became popular in the wider chess world, and was used in the FIDE World Chess Championship 1998.> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess... Curious about Tilburg if they did indeed use two different clock systems. |
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