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| Oct-04-04 | | OneArmedScissor: Wouldn't 3. Nc3 transpose into a French Winawer after 3...Bb4 4. e5 ? |
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| Nov-02-04 | | tomh72000: <Instead of playing 3. Nd2, 3. Nc3 is better.> What?! If you're going to say things like that, at least give a reason. |
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| Dec-28-04 | | rochade18: I have been told that 3.Nd2 is better, but I don't care since any opening has it's pros and cons. |
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| Jan-03-05 | | themindset: 3.Nc3 is a sharper game, while 3.Nd2 leads to a (generally) more positional game. |
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| Jan-03-05 | | Dave Murray: According to the graph 3. Nd2 is as popular as it ever was, even more popular than it it was in late 70s, early 80s when Karpov was playing it. |
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| Jan-03-05 | | Dave Murray: Oh yeah, and the rise of populatiy in playing 3...Be7 against Tarrasch could be a sign that Black is not all that great in 3...c5 and 3...Nf6 lines. |
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Oct-07-06
 | | WTHarvey: Here are some puzzles from C03 miniatures: http://www.wtharvey.com/c03.html |
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| Mar-01-09 | | FiveofSwords: Nd2 is nice, because white retains some initiative, with some attacking chances, leaving some tension in the center...but at the same time he keeps control of the game and has complete control over how much counterplay black can achieve, although if he allows none he generally gets none himself. In this respect its quite similar to an alapin sicilian, and indeed the two openings can transpose in various critical lines. |
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| Mar-01-09 | | GBKnight: 3Nd2 against the French tends to limit black's options to unbalance the game. He can either play 3...Nf6, which tends to give white chances for an edge after 4e5, or play 3...c5, which was Kamsky's choice against Topalov recently, and which often leads to an IQP position for black, or alternatively bale out with 3...dxe4, which no self-respecting French Defence player would play.
3Nc3 is much more fun to play against, and many white players know it! |
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| Mar-01-09 | | chessman95: I used to play 3.Nd2 to avoid the annoying Winawer, but now people say it's a bad line for black so nobody plays it anymore, so I went back to 3.Nc3. |
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| Mar-01-09 | | chessman95: <FiveofSwords>
I didn't know that the Tarrasch French and Alapin Sicilian could transpose. Could you give a few examples? |
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| Mar-02-09 | | FiveofSwords: well the typical well known way is via the eliksis line of the tarrasch...1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nd2 c5 4 ed ed 5 Bb5+ (Nf3 is another way and will tend to transpose) Nc6 6 Nf3 Bd6 7 dc Bxc5 8 0-0 Ne7 9 Nb3 Bd6 and now 10 c3 is a move-not the most common but is logical. Anyway if white doesnt play it yet he often will soon-blacks d5 must be securely blockaded. versus 1 e4 c5 2 c3 e6 3 d4 d5 4 ed ed 5 Nf3 Nc6 6 Bb5 Bd6 7 dc Bxc5 8 0-0 Ne7 9 Nd2 0-0 10 Nb3 Bd6 (unlike the tarrasch line Bb6 is rather playable for black here, but probably no better than Bd6)..the move order for many of these moves is not totally relevant except white should develop his kingside fairly fast to keep black from being able to play Nf6 comfortably (since re1+ would be very hard for him). I also have seen the Nf6 lines of the alapin become positions one would tend to see in the Nf6 line of the french- obviously if black opts to play e6 before Bg4 and odesnt paly the d5 main line, the pawn structure is fairly identical, and piece placement almost identical- only white has not commited Nd2. White probably could transpose with Nd2 in such formations but he often has even mroe promising and aggresive plans involving a fast attack on black's sensitive h7. |
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| Mar-02-09 | | FiveofSwords: the tarrasch has various lines that can get quite sharp- for one thing, the position is going to open up eventually if white has any ambition at all, and then in a fashion similar to the ruy lopez its extremely complex tactically since the positon is open and absolutely no exchanges of minor or major pieces have yet occured. Also there are many interesting and unclear sidelines for both sides, such as the milner-barry gambit which is well known and also a neat line that goes 1e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nd2 Nf6 4 e5 Nd7 5 Bd3 c5 6 c3 Nc6 7 Ne2 cd 8 cd f6!? 9 Nf4!? |
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| Mar-02-09 | | MaxxLange: <FiveOfSwords> Isn't the Milner-Barry Gambit a line in the Advance? A friend of mine became obsessed with that 9 Nf4 line in the Tarrasch. It gets pretty tactical....I think it's good for Black |
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| Mar-04-09 | | FiveofSwords: Well I think 9 Nf4 can be good for black, certainly, but it has excellent winning chances for both sides. Who has the advantage is hard to say (and in that sense its good for black I suppose). Its rather unclear and its mainly a question of who is better prepared imho. Ive played that line about 20-30 times against decent black players and won every single game. So it can be a formidable weapon under the correct conditions independant of speaking about objective advantages. |
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| Mar-04-09 | | FiveofSwords: concerning the milner barry I think it also can be reached via the tarrasch, but im not sure if its an exact transposition if its also reachable from the advnace, eg there may be options for one or both sides removed. Im not sure about this. But yes I can see how it might be a transposition because white endups up with knights on f3 and c3 but from the tarrasch they started from the opposite side! heh. |
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| Apr-06-09 | | drukenknight: Craziest french ever. I'll post the opening part first and see what comments on that: 1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. Nd2 Bd7
4. Bd3 Ne7
5. Ngf3 dxe4
6. Bxe4 Bc6
7. Bd3 Nd5
8. O-O Be7
9. c3 Nf4
10. Bc2 g5
after 10..g5 how to continue this:
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| Apr-07-09 | | drukenknight: I might as well continue with this as it's fun, the game continues: 11. Nc4 (Be4 is prolly safer)
11... Nxg2
12. Kxg2 g4
13. Nce5 gxf3+ (gets murky here, the crap pc agrees w/ gxf3)
14. Kg1 (Kh1 maybe better) Rg8+
15. Kh1 Bd6
after 15…Bd6 can white hold?
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| Apr-08-09 | | Hugh the Drover: Drukenknight, as the last poster, may be a good prelude to honor and lament the apparent loss of the old Drueke pieces from the 1960s, those models of perfection with the Drueke knight being of the smoothest, most definitive form. They have the sharpness of the Linares font, but are three-dimensional. |
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| Jun-04-10 | | Robin01: 1.e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 c5 4. Ngf3 Nd7?! -- Black's fourth move seems wrong. How can white take advantage of this? Perhaps there is not any way. Normally black's knight goes to c6. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks.
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| Jun-04-10 | | Wyatt Gwyon: 3....Nc6! |
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| May-23-12 | | DanielBryant: Does anybody have any thoughts on 3...Be7 4.c4? Somebody tried this against me at a tournament this last weekend and it really caught me off guard. |
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| Mar-22-14 | | FiveofSwords: @danielbryant if anything can catch you offguard then you shouldnt play Be7. Thats a do nothing move. Its fine to play do nothing moves...but you need to have the level of understanding in a position where literally nothing will throw you off your game. There are other moves for black on move 3 that actually have a point and dont do ntohing...try them instead. When you have a point, white is restricted in sound ways to respond. |
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Mar-16-16
 | | LandyPJY: FiveofSwords were you really cheating of Chess.com? do you have another account that you use at least? are you going to make a comeback? |
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Mar-16-16
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