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Garry Kasparov
Kasparov 
Photograph courtesy of kasparovagent.com.  

Number of games in database: 2,465
Years covered: 1973 to 2024
Last FIDE rating: 2812 (2783 rapid, 2712 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2851
Overall record: +695 -107 =709 (69.5%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 954 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (192) 
    B30 B31 B50 B40 B33
 Ruy Lopez (104) 
    C92 C84 C97 C67 C80
 Queen's Gambit Declined (91) 
    D37 D35 D31 D38 D30
 Nimzo Indian (91) 
    E32 E34 E21 E20 E46
 Queen's Indian (78) 
    E12 E15 E17 E16
 Slav (61) 
    D10 D18 D15 D11 D17
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (350) 
    B90 B84 B80 B93 B83
 King's Indian (158) 
    E92 E97 E80 E60 E86
 Sicilian Najdorf (113) 
    B90 B93 B96 B92 B97
 Grunfeld (104) 
    D85 D97 D76 D87 D78
 Sicilian Scheveningen (78) 
    B84 B80 B83 B81 B82
 English (35) 
    A15 A10 A11 A13
Repertoire Explorer

NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kasparov vs Topalov, 1999 1-0
   Karpov vs Kasparov, 1985 0-1
   Kasparov vs Portisch, 1983 1-0
   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1990 1-0
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1994 1-0
   Kasparov vs Anand, 1995 1-0
   Karpov vs Kasparov, 1993 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 0-1
   Adams vs Kasparov, 2005 0-1
   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1986 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match 1984/85 (1984)
   Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1985)
   Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Rematch (1986)
   Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1987)
   Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1990)
   Kasparov - Short PCA World Championship Match (1993)
   Kasparov - Anand PCA World Championship Match (1995)
   Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Banja Luka (1979)
   World Youth U26 Team Championship (1981)
   USSR Junior Championship (1977)
   Sokolsky Memorial (1978)
   Niksic (1983)
   Baku (1980)
   World Junior Championship (1980)
   Tilburg Interpolis (1989)
   Belfort World Cup (1988)
   Intel World Chess Express Challenge (1994)
   Belgrade Investbank (1989)
   Linares (1999)
   Hoogovens Group A (1999)
   USSR Championship (1981)
   Valletta Olympiad (1980)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Kasparov The Killer!! by chezstartz
   Kasparov The Killer!! by Zhbugnoimt
   Kasparov The Killer!! by wvb933
   Kasparov The Killer!! by rpn4
   GK Collection on the move to Fredthebear's den by fredthebear
   0ZeR0's collected games volume 66 by 0ZeR0
   0ZeR0's collected games volume 166 by 0ZeR0
   Power Chess - Kasparov by Anatoly21
   Selected Games of Kasparov’s Chess Career by Cosmo Fan
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by feifo
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by alip
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by Sergio X Garcia
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by rpn4
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by KingG

GAMES ANNOTATED BY KASPAROV: [what is this?]
   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1987
   Kasparov vs I Ivanov, 1978

RECENT GAMES:
   🏆 Champions Showdown 9LX
   Kasparov vs Aronian (Oct-31-24) 0-1, unorthodox
   Caruana vs Kasparov (Oct-31-24) 1-0, unorthodox
   Kasparov vs Sevian (Oct-30-24) 1-0, unorthodox
   G Oparin vs Kasparov (Oct-29-24) 1/2-1/2, unorthodox
   Kasparov vs Shankland (Oct-29-24) 1-0, unorthodox

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GARRY KASPAROV
(born Apr-13-1963, 62 years old) Russia
PRONUNCIATION:
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One of the greatest players of all time, Kasparov was undisputed World Champion from 1985 until 1993, and Classical World Champion from 1993 until 2000. Known to chess fans world wide as the <Beast From Baku> on account of his aggressive and highly successful style of play, his main early influence was the combative and combinative style of play displayed by Alexander Alekhine.

Early Years

Originally named Garry Kimovich Weinstein (or Weinshtein), he was born in Baku, in what was then the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic (now the Republic of Azerbaijan), and is the son of Klara Shagenovna Kasparova and Kim Moiseyevich Weinstein. At five years old, young Garry Weinstein taught himself how to play chess from watching his relatives solve chess puzzles in a newspaper. His immense natural talent was soon realized and from age 7, he attended the Young Pioneer Palace in Baku (where for some time he was known as "Garry Bronstein".*). At 10, he began training at the Mikhail Botvinnik Soviet chess school. He was first coached by Vladimir Makogonov and later by Alexander Shakarov. Five years after his father's untimely death from leukemia, the twelve year old chess prodigy adopted the Russian-sounding name Garry Kasparov (Kas-PARE-off) a reference to his mother's Armenian maiden name, Gasparyan (or Kasparian).

Championships

Junior Twelve-year old Kasparov won the Soviet Junior Championship, held in Tbilisi in 1976 scoring 7/9, and repeated his success in 1977, winning with a score of 8½ of 9. The next several years were spent marking his rise as a world-class talent. He became World Junior Champion in 1980 in Dortmund, the same year he earned the grandmaster title.

National He first qualified for the Soviet Chess Championship at age 15 in 1978, the youngest ever player at that level. He won the 64-player Swiss system tournament at Daugavpils on tiebreak over Igor Ivanov, to capture the sole qualifying place. He was joint Soviet Champion in 1980-81 with Lev Psakhis ** and in 1988 Kasparov and Anatoly Karpov tied in the Super-Soviet Championship***. In 2004, Garry Kasparov won the Russian Championship Superfinal (2004) with a stunning +5 score.

World On the basis of his result in the 1981 Soviet Championship, which doubled as a zonal tournament for the USSR region, he earned a place in the 1982 Moscow Interzonal tournament, which he won, to qualify for the Candidates Tournament matches that were held in 1983 and 1984. At age 19, he was the youngest Candidate since Robert James Fischer, who was 15 when he qualified in 1958. At this stage, he was already the #2-rated player in the world, trailing only world champion Karpov on the January 1983 list. These Candidates matches were the first and last Candidates matches Kasparov contested, as he declined to participate in the Candidates held under the auspices of the PCA in 2002 to decide a challenger to his successor as classical World Champion, Vladimir Kramnik. Kasparov's first Candidates match in Moscow was a best-of-ten affair against Alexander G Beliavsky, whom he defeated 6–3 (+4 -1 =4). After much political ado, Kasparov defeated Viktor Korchnoi in London in the best-of-12 semi-final match by 7–4 (+4 -1 =6), and in early 1984 in Vilnius he defeated former World Champion Vasily Smyslov in the best-of-16 finals played by 8.5-4.5 (+4 =9 -0) to earn his challenge against Karpov. By the time the match with Smyslov was played, Kasparov had become the number-one ranked player in the world with a FIDE rating of 2710. He became the youngest ever world number-one, a record that lasted 12 years until being broken by Vladimir Kramnik in January 1996 and again by his former pupil, Magnus Carlsen in 2010.

At one stage during the Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1984/85), Kasparov trailed 5-0 in the first-to-win-6 match. He then fought back to win three games and bring the score to 5–3 in Karpov's favour after 48 games, making it the longest world championship match ever. At that point, the match was ended without result by the then FIDE President, the late Florencio Campomanes, with Karpov thus retaining the title. Further details can be found in the match link at the head of this paragraph. Kasparov won the best-of-24 games Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1985) in Moscow by 13–11, winning the 24th and last game with Black. He was then 22, the youngest ever World Champion, and broke the record held by Mikhail Tal for over 20 years. Karpov exercised his right to a rematch, the Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Rematch (1986), which took place in 1986, hosted jointly in London and Leningrad, with each city hosting 12 games. Kasparov won 12½–11½, retaining the title. The fourth match, the Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1987) was held in Seville. Karpov had been directly seeded into and won the final match of the Candidates' Matches to again become the official challenger. Kasparov retained his title by winning the final game and drawing the match 12–12. The fifth and last championship match between the two, Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1990), was held in New York and Lyon in 1990, with each city hosting 12 games. Kasparov won by 12½–11½. In their five world championship matches, the combined game tally was +21 -19 =104 in Kasparov's favour.

Kasparov subsequently defended his title against Nigel Short under the auspices of the PCA in 1993, and against Viswanathan Anand in 1995. Five years later, in 2000 (Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000)), Kasparov finally relinquished his crown to his former student, Vladimir Kramnik, who was granted the right to challenge without having to qualify, the first time this had happened since 1935, when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger. Subsequently, Kasparov remained the top rated player in the world, ahead of both Kramnik and the FIDE World Champions, on the strength of a series of wins in major tournaments.

Under the "Prague Agreement" which was put together by Yasser Seirawan to reunite the two titles, Kasparov was to play a match against the 2002 FIDE World Champion Ruslan Ponomariov in September 2003. But this match was cancelled when Ponomariov was dissatisfied with the terms of the contract. Subsequent plans for a match against 2004 FIDE World Champion Rustam Kasimdzhanov, to be held in January 2005 in the United Arab Emirates, fell through due to lack of funding. Shortly after this, Kasparov announced his retirement from competitive chess.

In an interview in 2007, Kasparov said that <…my decision in 1993 to break away from the world chess federation, FIDE, with Nigel Short was the worst mistake of my career. It was a serious miscalculation on my part. I thought we could start fresh with a professional organisation, but there was little support among the players. It led to short-term progress in commercial sponsorship for chess, but in the long run hurt the game...> ****

Classical Tournaments

In 1978, Kasparov won the Sokolsky Memorial tournament in Minsk as a wild card entry, a victory which convinced Kasparov he could aim for the World Championship. He played in a grandmaster tournament in Banja Luka, Yugoslavia in 1979 while still unrated, due to Korchnoi's withdrawal. He took first place with an undefeated record, two points ahead of the field. Game Collection: Banja Luka 1979 He emerged with a provisional rating of 2595, immediately landing at world number 15, a feat only surpassed by Gata Kamsky in July 1990. His first win in a superclass-level international tournament was scored at Bugojno, Yugoslavia in 1982, and his win in Linares in 2002 was the tenth victory in a row, a record for the most consecutive victories in super tournaments: Linares 4 (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, Wijk aan Zee 3 (1999, 2000, 2001), Sarajevo 2 (1999, 2000) and Astana 1 (2001). Kasparov also holds the record for most consecutive professional tournament victories, placing first or equal first in 15 individual tournaments from 1981 to 1990. It started with the 1981 USSR Championship and finished in Linares in 1990. His five epic title matches against Karpov were held during this period. Subsequently, Kasparov won Linares again in 1992, 1993, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2005, the latter being his swan song from the game.

Olympiads

Kasparov played in eight Olympiads. He represented the Soviet Union four times, in 1980, 1982, 1986 and 1988, and Russia four times: in 1992, 1994, 1996 and 2002 playing board 1 on each occasion apart from 1980 (2nd reserve) and 1982 (2nd board). In 82 games, he scored (+50 =29 -3), for 78.7% and won a total of 19 medals, including 8 team gold medals, 5 board golds, 2 performance golds, 2 performance silvers and 2 board bronzes. Kasparov also represented the USSR once in Youth Olympiad competition at Graz in 1981, when he played board 1 for the USSR board 1, scoring 9/10 (+8 =2 -0), the team winning the gold medal.

Team chess

Kasparov made his international teams debut for the USSR at age 16 in the 1980 European Team Championship at Skara and played for Russia in the 1992 edition of that championship. He won a total of five medals including at Skara 1980, as USSR 2nd reserve, 5½/6 (+5 =1 -0), team gold, board gold and at Debrecen 1992, Russia board 1, 6/8 (+4 =4 -0), team gold, board gold, performance silver.

Matches

<Computer> Kasparov defeated the chess computer Deep Thought (Computer) in both games of a two-game match in 1989. In February 1996, he defeated IBM's chess computer Deep Blue (Computer) with three wins and two draws and one loss. In 1997, an updated version of Deep Blue defeated Kasparov 3½–2½ in a highly publicised six-game match. The match was even after five games but Kasparov lost Game 6 - Deep Blue vs Kasparov, 1997 - to lose the match. This was the first time a computer had ever defeated a world champion in match play. In January 2003, he played and drew a six game FIDE Man - Machine WC (2003) match against Deep Junior (Computer). In November 2003, he played and drew a four-game Man - Machine World Chess Championship (2003) against the computer program X3D Fritz (Computer) X3D Fritz, although he was constrained through the use of a virtual board, 3D glasses and a speech recognition system.

<Human – classical> Kasparov played several matches apart from his matches in the World Championship cycles. Full details can be seen at Game Collection: Match Kasparov!.

<Human – rapid> In 1998, Kasparov played a blitz match against Kramnik in Moscow, that match being drawn +7-7=10. He fared better in the 2000 internet blitz match against Judit Polgar, winning one and drawing one. The following year, he played a blitz match against the many times Greek speed chess champion Hristos Banikas of Greece, winning 5 and drawing one. In his 2002 blitz against Elisabeth Paehtz in Munich, he won 6-0. Later in 2002, Kasparov lost a four game rapid match (+1 -2 =1) over two days in December 2002 in New York City against Anatoly Karpov. In 2009 in Valencia, Spain, he again played Karpov, and won the Kasparov - Karpov Rapid Match (2009) 3-1 and the Kasparov - Karpov Blitz Match (2009) by 6-2. In 2011, as part of his Chess In Schools campaign, he played a two game Kasparov - Lagrave Blitz Match (2011) in Clichy France, winning by 1.5-0.5. A few months later in October 2011, he won the Kasparov - Short Blitz Match (2011) 4.5-3.5 (+3 -2 =3), breaking the deadlock after game 7 by winning game 8 to win the match.

<Simuls> In 1985, Kasparov played his first simul against a team, the Hamburg Bundesliga team lead by GM Murray Chandler, and lost 3.5-4.5, the first and only time he lost a simul against a team. In 1987, he played a simul against the same albeit slightly stronger team, but this time he was prepared and crushed the Hamburg players 7-1; later in 1987 he also crushed the Swiss team: Game Collection: Kasparov vs Swiss Team Simul by 5.5-0.5, drawing only with former World Junior Champion Werner Hug. In 1988 he played a simul against the French team in Evry (Game Collection: Kasparov vs French Team Simul), winning 4, drawing one and losing one; he played the French team again in 1989 (Game Collection: Kasparov vs French Team Simul 1989), this time winning three and drawing 3 games. Also in 1988 he played a simul against a group of powerful US Juniors, and won by 4-2 (+3 -1 =2)*****. In 1992, Kasparov played a clock simul against the German team ( Game Collection: Kasparov vs German National Team Simul) which included former title contender Vlastimil Hort with whom he drew, winning 2 and drawing 2. He played a simul against the Argentinean team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Argentinian Team Simul) winning (+7 -1 =4); in 1998 he played the Israeli team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Israeli National Team Simul) winning 7-1, and in 2001 he played the Czech team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Czech National Team Simul) in Prague, winning by +4 -1 =3.

Rating

Kasparov's ratings achievements include being rated world #1 according to Elo rating almost continuously from 1986 until his retirement in 2005. He was the world number-one ranked player for 255 months, a record that far outstrips all other previous and current number-one ranked players. Kasparov had the highest Elo rating in the world continuously from 1986 to 2005. However, Vladimir Kramnik equaled him in the January 1996 FIDE ratings list, technically supplanting him because he played more games. He was also briefly ejected from the list following his split from FIDE in 1993, but during that time he headed the rating list of the rival PCA. At the time of his retirement, he was still ranked #1 in the world, with a rating of 2812. In January 1990 Kasparov achieved the (then) highest FIDE rating ever, passing 2800 and breaking Bobby Fischer's old record of 2785. On the July 1999 and January 2000 FIDE rating lists Kasparov reached a 2851 Elo rating, which became the highest rating ever achieved until surpassed by Magnus Carlsen in 2013. There was a time in the early 1990s when Kasparov was over 2800 and the only person in the 2700s was Anatoly Karpov.

Other

Under Kasparov's tutelage, Carlsen became the youngest ever to achieve a FIDE rating higher than 2800, and the youngest ever world number one. Kasparov also assisted Anand's preparation for the Anand - Topalov World Championship Match (2010) against challenger Veselin Topalov. Since his retirement, Kasparov has concentrated much of his time and energy in Russian politics. He is also a prolific author, most famously his <My Great Predecessors> series. His politics and authorship are discussed at some detail in the wiki article and at his official website cited below. In 2007, he was ranked 25th in The Daily Telegraph's list of 100 greatest living geniuses and has won 11 Chess Oscars.

Kasparov has been married three times: first to Masha, with whom he had a daughter, Polina (b. 1993), before divorcing; to Yulia, with whom he had a son, Vadim (b. 1996) before their 2005 divorce; and to Daria, with whom he also has a daughter, Aida (b. 2006).

Biography: http://www.kasparovagent.com/garry_... Kasparov's official website: http://kasparov.com/ Kasparov Chess Foundation: http://www.kasparovchessfoundation....

* http://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/... ** [rusbase-1] *** [rusbase-2] **** [rusbase-3] ***** http://www.chessbase.com/newsprint....

Wikipedia article: Kasparov

Last updated: 2022-02-28 10:27:37

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 page 1 of 99; games 1-25 of 2,465  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Kasparov vs O Vasilchenko 1-0401973KievC03 French, Tarrasch
2. Kasparov vs S Muratkuliev 1-0321973Baku tt U18C77 Ruy Lopez
3. L Zaid vs Kasparov 1-0381973URS-chT JuniorsE61 King's Indian
4. E Magerramov vs Kasparov 0-1351973BakuB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
5. E Kengis vs Kasparov ½-½541973URS-chT JuniorsB88 Sicilian, Fischer-Sozin Attack
6. Kasparov vs O Privorotsky 1-0381974Azerbaijan Team ChampionshipB40 Sicilian
7. R Sarkisov vs Kasparov  0-1391974City Team ChampionshipB56 Sicilian
8. R Sarkisov vs Kasparov 0-1351974City Team ChampionshipE90 King's Indian
9. Kasparov vs Averbakh 1-0481974Moscow clock simC69 Ruy Lopez, Exchange, Gligoric Variation
10. V Gazarian vs Kasparov 0-1561974Baku Schools Team ChampionshipD86 Grunfeld, Exchange
11. O Pavlenko vs Kasparov 0-1341975Baku Cup FinalE71 King's Indian, Makagonov System (5.h3)
12. Romanishin vs Kasparov 0-1321975LeningradA02 Bird's Opening
13. Kasparov vs Smyslov 0-1301975Team GM/Young PioneersC60 Ruy Lopez
14. Kasparov vs Polugaevsky ½-½251975LeningradA07 King's Indian Attack
15. Karpov vs Kasparov 1-0451975LeningradB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
16. Dvoirys vs Kasparov ½-½451975USSR Junior ChampionshipB89 Sicilian
17. Z Einoris vs Kasparov 0-1421975USSR Junior ChampionshipB59 Sicilian, Boleslavsky Variation, 7.Nb3
18. Kasparov vs V Sokolov 1-0321975USSR Junior ChampionshipB67 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6 Defense, 8...Bd7
19. Kasparov vs E Kengis ½-½271975USSR Junior ChampionshipB52 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack
20. Vladimirov vs Kasparov ½-½301975USSR Junior ChampionshipE17 Queen's Indian
21. Rizvonov vs Kasparov 0-1371975USSR Junior ChampionshipE17 Queen's Indian
22. Kasparov vs Yermolinsky 0-1481975USSR Junior ChampionshipB05 Alekhine's Defense, Modern
23. Kasparov vs S Gorelov 1-0581975USSR Junior ChampionshipC61 Ruy Lopez, Bird's Defense
24. Kasparov vs Yurtaev 0-1441975USSR Junior ChampionshipB39 Sicilian, Accelerated Fianchetto, Breyer Variation
25. Kasparov vs B Kantsler 1-0321975Junior competitionA07 King's Indian Attack
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Feb-22-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: <You really did manage to miss the departure of many major cg members who contributed a lot to this community? that's quite difficult to miss..>

I don't keep such records. Can you provide the names of, say, twenty or thirty?

<I don't think that members like harry and cg moderation is the main reason for that. We had more of these problems back in cg heydays.>

So why are the older members leaving in droves as you claim they are?

Feb-22-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <metatron2>

<The problem is that this site did not evolve over the years. Its community features are old and basic compared with modern social sites. Features like: mention member, reply to post (with threads), likes/dislike posts, response notifications, and online chats, are quite common these days.

Its chess related features are also far behind today's standard. no built-in engines, the pgn viewers are oldish, etc. and the entire web technology is old compared to the responsive modern sites (that don't access the server on every local browser operation, like cg does).>

yes, i think that's right. I'm sure that has more to do with it than the alleged trolling pandemic, anyway. This site has always had lots of trolling and little moderation.

<missscarlett> I don't have the figures you seek but Tata Steel Masters (2021) has 19 pages of kibitzing compared to 131 pages for Corus Group A (2010). More extreme examples could doubtless be found.

<beatgiant> Good post, even if I've often failed to follow your advice.

Feb-22-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <keypusher….<beatgiant> Good post, even if I've often failed to follow your advice.>

Agreed on both counts.

Feb-22-21  fabelhaft: <Tata Steel Masters (2021) has 19 pages of kibitzing compared to 131 pages for Corus Group A (2010). More extreme examples could doubtless be found>

Like the 2007 and 2008 editions of the tournament both having 300+ pages... As for the reasons, I think some are connected to live game transmissions no longer working and games not being added. The latest top event finished more than a week ago but only games from the first half of the tournament have been added. So the game discussions sometimes tend to take place elsewhere.

Feb-22-21  Z 000000010: A list of the names of the missed could easily be assembled, of that I'm sure.

Some of the attrition is just due to the advanced age of the typical <CG> user, but there was a noticeable exodus after <Daniel> died, even if not immediate, or even, immediately apparent.

As far as revenue due to advertising dollars - I have to say that on no other chess site is it quite so intrusive for visitors. <CG> stands out as markedly different, and I'm not sure that's for the better.

I also think there's a certain level of fatigue at the kibitzing level, and the kudzu is creeping in.

<Susan> should get some thanks for sponsoring the site, and keeping it alive thus far. .

Feb-22-21  metatron2: <MissScarlett: So why are the older members leaving in droves as you claim they are?>

I said that cg not keeping up with the advances over the web, is the main reason <new users> are not tempted to join.

I also said that existing members leaving over the years is a normal process. There can be many reasons for member leaving the site: losing interest in chess, losing interest in posting about chess, having less free time, members he was friendly with left cg, prefer spending his time in other web platforms, health issues, etc.

Obviously when existing users are leaving much faster than new users are joining and the site is declining, the existing users have more reasons to leave, and it causes an acceleration in that direction.

<MissScarlett: I don't keep such records. Can you provide the names of, say, twenty or thirty?>

I my self wasn't very active during the last years, just posted more lately, during covid.

Back in 2008-2011 I was active mainly around the Carlsen page, that had tones of activity back then.

Most of the users I remember from that time, have either left cg or significantly reduced their activity here.

Here is a partial list of such members: zarg, Rolfo, slomarko, appaz, brankat, achieve, acirce, Eyal, visayanbraindoctor, percyblakeney, SwitchingQuylthulg, Kinghunt, Annie K, Marmot PFL, Shams, csmath, twinlark, Open Defence, Plato, Riverbeast, Strongest Force, square dance, Bobsterman3000, JointheArmy, shach matov, Thorski, angslo, Magnusch, you vs yourself, YouRang, hand banana, timhortons, lorker, SugarDom, blueofnoon, Alexandru Z, dakgootje, danielpi, Splittet, and I'll add rogge and Bureaucrat who seem quite inactive.

And I can go on with this much farther if I'll take the time to look back at the old posts..

Feb-22-21  metatron2: <fabelhaft: As for the reasons, I think some are connected to live game transmissions no longer working and games not being added>

Sure, but as I said, I think that cg declined in that direction because it didn't evolve, and existing users left much faster than new users joined.

Of course, as <Z 000000010> said, Daniel's death was also a significant factor in that decline.

Feb-22-21  George Wallace: I think <metatron2> is right about the site not evolving being one of the main reasons that new members aren't signing up like they used to.

This has been brought up on the <support> forum in the past.

<Big Pawn: Slow isn't even the word. It's barely functional. It's like internet circa 1998. Gotta try three times to submit a post. It seems like this site is getting slower and slow as the years go on, instead of improving and moving forward with the rest of the internet.

Chessgames.com is so 2002.

This is the only website that I visit that is ever like this. It's as if it's stuck back in time, with shag carpeting.>

chessgames.com chessforum (kibitz #27315)

One problem we have when discussing this is that we all have a slightly different vision of what we <think> CG is supposed to be.

Some see it as the Wikipedia of chess, the most well researched chess site in the world, with valuable and hard to find information about historical players, digging deep into the past.

Others see it as a database for games and a place where you can go to see live tournaments and kibitz in real time.

Others see it as a social media site where you come here to engage with other chess enthusiasts, make friends and enemies, and pass your time communicating with one another.

Still others think there should be a part of the website where you can play against other members, like on chess.com.

I imagine there are many members who see CG as some combination of these things with more weight given to one area or another.

The point is, there are too many assumptions being made about what this site is supposed to be about and where it is supposed to go. It seems to me that the owner, <susan>, isn't quite sure herself what to do with this site.

One thing is for sure though: this site is stuck back in the old days of the internet.

It's important to meet people's expectations when creating or improving a website. People are used to things being a certain modern way, because they spend time all over the internet and see how it is, and when they come to CG and it's like internet circa 2002, they are turned off.

We should have all of the features mentioned by <metatron2>,

<Features like: mention member, reply to post (with threads), likes/dislike posts, response notifications, and online chats, are quite common these days.

Its chess related features are also far behind today's standard. no built-in engines, the pgn viewers are oldish, etc. and the entire web technology is old compared to the responsive modern sites (that don't access the server on every local browser operation, like cg does)>

That's it right there.

Feb-23-21  fabelhaft: It’s a thing of two levels. First it’s the bigger things, but I’d guess a total revamp of the site is not possible, even if many functions are dated.

But there are also smaller things, that give an impression of few bothering with general updates, like the site profile referring administrative questions to Annie, the ChessBookie game being discontinued without any information about it (while still advertised more than once on the front page), lack of interest in the top events and in encouraging discussions etc.

The What’s new section mentions how something is new dozens of times, but these new things are with few exceptions at least a decade old. You are invited to like the site on Facebook, and 53 000 have done that, but nothing has been posted there for several years. Such things give an eroded or abandoned impression to parts of the site, and the intrusive ads do not improve on that.

It’s obviously up to the site management what to do with the site, and over the last years upcoming updates have been mentioned a few times. Some sites, like Reddit, are very successful with a basically old style design, while others, like Lichess, are free but very up to date. It doesn’t have to be some certain way to be successful.

Feb-23-21  Absentee: <likes/dislike posts>

Jesus Christ, no.

Feb-23-21
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  perfidious: Introducing like/dislikes for posts would, in my view, merely elevate the level of some of the sophomoric rubbish which already takes place here on a daily basis; one page in particular would be worse than ever with the one-upmanship already practised every day.
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  Sally Simpson: ***

Likes/Dislikes No. If people like/do not like or agree/do not agree with a post let them say so.

An improvement.
Maybe have a timed Edit feature for posts (5 minutes) would suffice.

***

Feb-23-21  Petrosianic: <one page in particular would be worse than ever with the one-upmanship already practised every day.>

It could hardly be worse. But the main purpose of likes on Facebook... well, there are a couple:

1) To be able to "Me Too " a post without having to clutter up the thread by writing "Me too". (Also, quite a lot of people on Facbook can't write a coherent sentence even if they want to).

2) To be able to FOLLOW a post. If you've commented on or Liked a Post, then you get updates about future comments in that post. That's not really an issue here, cause if you wrote a post on the Jackson Showalter page, it's pretty easy to find it again. But on Facebook, things get buried very easily.

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  keypusher: < Absentee: <likes/dislike posts> Jesus Christ, no.>

Speaking of people who don't post much anymore, nice to "see" you, even briefly.

Feb-23-21  Petrosianic: I'd like to see a system where you can either comment on a post or Like it, but not both. If you write a comment, then your Like goes away. That would probably be impossible to implement here, but that really would serve the purpose of sucking up all the Me Too's.
Feb-23-21
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  OhioChessFan: I'd rather see <AJ> return than a like button.
Feb-23-21
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  perfidious: <Petrosianic…. (Also, quite a lot of people on Facbook can't write a coherent sentence even if they want to). >

Not into Facebook myself, but know a number of people who are, some of whom merely underscore your point.

Feb-23-21  Petrosianic: To make it worse, Facebook has a fairly new thing where you can add backgrounds and stuff to very short posts, to make them look like memes. But doing this calls much more attention to bad spelling and grammar than straight text would do. (I never use the feature myself, just because my posts are never short enough.)
Feb-23-21  Petrosianic: On a chess board things might be better. But on places like either Facebook or RealClearPolitics, that have Like Buttons, the general trend is that any post that actually says anything will get maybe 2 or 3 likes or dislikes. A post that just says "So and so sucks" will get a hundred, because it goes over the heads of fewer people.
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  Check It Out: < Absentee: <likes/dislike posts> Jesus Christ, no.>

👍

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  WannaBe: 🤦‍♂️👍👎👍👎👍👎👍👎
Feb-23-21  Everett: < Check It Out: < Absentee: <likes/dislike posts> Jesus Christ, no.> 👍>

Hehe

Feb-23-21  Petrosianic: Mind you, a Like Button here would be more meaningless than annoying.
Feb-23-21  Petrosianic: Speaking of Facebook Illiteracy, here's a typical example, all blown up big like a meme:

<Does anyone know ln 1897 timeline who was Grandma father was Or was Daniel Collins her father?>

Generally I don't mind a spelling error here and there if I know what someone means. But if I have to read it a couple of times to even know what they're saying, that's annoying. Also common. Here's another:

<Anyone remember the name of TV.show spooky,weird like one step beyond &outter. Limits but wasn't,tales or crypts?>

Urk! And there are places where you get a steady diet of this stuff.

Feb-23-21  metatron2: You all focused on the like/dislike post (small) feature, but anyways this feature indeed has advantages and disadvantages, so if CG will ever add it, they should give users a settings option to hide that feature.

In fact, I think that because this site was technically halted for about 20 years, its UX is now so established in existing users, that any improvement that significantly changes the user experience, should have a filter option (as much as possible..).

And regarding that feature: Post like/dislike functionality has two main purposes:

(1) to give the poster indication as to how much other users liked/disliked/care about his post (many users read posts, but only few of them actually think its worthy to reply it, however, pressing anonymous like/dislike button is much much easier).

(2) to give other users indication about a possible good posts, and also give some quick indication as to what other people think about certain subjects.

While it is indeed an open door for manipulations, from my experience, in the long run, like/dislike indeed gives good indication as to which post is interesting and worth its reading.

This feature is now so popular, that I would consider it a "commodity" for any articles-comments, forums, or social web sites. So potential new users will surely expect it here.

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