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Vladimir Kramnik
Kramnik 
Photograph copyright © 2007 Milan Kovacs (www.milankovacs.com)  

Number of games in database: 3,249
Years covered: 1984 to 2024
Highest rating achieved in database: 2817
Overall record: +549 -171 =959 (61.3%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 1570 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 English (154) 
    A15 A14 A17 A13 A16
 Sicilian (147) 
    B90 B33 B30 B92 B52
 Queen's Pawn Game (109) 
    D02 A46 E10 D05 D00
 King's Indian (106) 
    E97 E92 E94 E91 E81
 Reti System (101) 
    A04 A06 A05
 Slav (99) 
    D17 D15 D11 D18 D12
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (270) 
    B33 B30 B31 B62 B65
 Ruy Lopez (182) 
    C67 C65 C84 C78 C95
 Queen's Gambit Declined (123) 
    D37 D35 D38 D39 D31
 Semi-Slav (110) 
    D45 D43 D47 D44 D48
 Petrov (102) 
    C42 C43
 Nimzo Indian (81) 
    E32 E21 E34 E54 E46
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kramnik vs Leko, 2004 1-0
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Gelfand vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 1-0
   Ivanchuk vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000 1-0
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004 0-1
   Kramnik vs Anand, 2001 1-0
   Topalov vs Kramnik, 1995 0-1
   Kramnik vs Morozevich, 2007 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999)
   Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000)
   Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004)
   Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006)
   World Championship Tournament (2007)
   Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   New York PCA/Intel-GP (1994)
   Belgrade Investbank (1995)
   Hoogovens Group A (1998)
   Amber Blindfold (2003)
   Dortmund Sparkassen (2004)
   16th Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2007)
   Dortmund Open-A (1992)
   World Cup (2013)
   Qatar Masters (2014)
   Tata Steel Masters (2018)
   Sao Paulo Latin American Cup Open (1991)
   Legends of Chess (2020)
   World Youth U26 Team Championship (1991)
   Biel Interzonal (1993)
   Manila Olympiad (1992)

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   Match Kramnik! by amadeus
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   Kramnik on a King Hunt & vs the World Champions by visayanbraindoctor
   0ZeR0's Favorite Games Volume 75 by 0ZeR0
   Vladimir, the Conqueror by Gottschalk
   Vladimir Kramnik's Best Games by KingG

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VLADIMIR KRAMNIK
(born Jun-25-1975, 49 years old) Russia
PRONUNCIATION:
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Former World Champion - and former top ranked player in the world - Vladimir Borisovich Kramnik was born in Tuapse, on the shores of the Black Sea, on June 25, 1975. As a child, Vladimir Kramnik studied in the chess school established by Mikhail Botvinnik. In 2000, he won the Classical World Championship from Garry Kasparov, then won the unified title when he defeated Veselin Topalov in 2006 to become the 14th undisputed World Champion. Kramnik relinquished the title in 2007 to his successor, the 15th undisputed (and now former) World Champion, Viswanathan Anand.

Championships

<Age> In 1991, Kramnik won the World Under 18 Championship in Guarapuava, Brazil.

<National> Kramnik finished equal first in the 1990 RSFSR (Russian) Championship in Kuibyshev, Russia, but placed second on tiebreak, behind Andrei Kharlov. He came third ex aequo in the Russian Championship Superfinal (2013) after a last round battle with Ian Nepomniachtchi for a share of first and the possibility of the title for the first time. However, he lost the game and scored 5.5/9.

<World> Kramnik's early attempts at storming the citadel of the World Championship met with mixed results. In 1994, he lost a Candidates quarter finals match for the PCA championship to Gata Kamsky by 1½-4½, and a few months later he lost a Candidates semi-finals match for the FIDE championship to Boris Gelfand by 3½-4½. In 1998, Kramnik was defeated by Alexey Shirov by 3½-5½ in the Candidates match held in Cazorla to determine the right to play Garry Kasparov for the Classical World Chess Championship. In 1999, Kramnik lost in the quarterfinals of the FIDE knockout championship in Las Vegas to Michael Adams by 2-4, including the 4 game rapid play-off.

Although Shirov had defeated Kramnik for the right to challenge Kasparov, suitable sponsorship was not found for a Kasparov-Shirov match, and it never took place. In 2000, however, sponsorship became available for a Kasparov-Kramnik match instead. This meant that Kramnik was the first player since 1935 - when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger - to play a world championship match without qualifying. Kramnik reached the pinnacle by defeating long-time champion Kasparov in the Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000) in London by the score of 8½ to 6½ (+2 =13 -0) without losing a game, becoming the next Classical World Champion in the line that started from Wilhelm Steinitz. It was the first time since the Lasker - Capablanca World Championship Match (1921) that the defending champion had lost a match without winning a game and it was also the first time Kasparov had lost a World Championship match. Kasparov said of Kramnik that: <"He is the hardest player to beat in the world.">

In 2004, Kramnik successfully defended his title as Classical World Chess Champion against challenger Peter Leko at Brissago, Switzerland, by drawing the Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004) in the last game. Lékó was leading the 14-game match until the final game, which Kramnik won, thus forcing a 7 - 7 draw and ensuring that Kramnik remained world champion. Because of the drawn result, the prize fund of 1 million Swiss francs was split between the two players.

Kramnik refused to participate at the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005), but indicated his willingness to play a match against the winner to unify the world championship. His next title defence in 2006, therefore, was a reunification match with the new FIDE world title holder from the 2005 tournament, Veselin Topalov. The $1 million Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) was played in Elista, Kalmykia from September 21 to October 13 and after controversially forfeiting the fifth game, Kramnik won the rapid game playoff by 2½ -1½ after the classical games were tied 6-6, thereby becoming the first undisputed unified World Chess Champion since the 1993 split. In the following year, Kramnik lost the unified world title when he finished second to Viswanathan Anand at the Mexico City World Championship Tournament (2007). In October 2008, Kramnik exercised his entitlement to a rematch as a challenger to World Champion Anand in Bonn, Germany, but lost the Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008) match by 4½ to 6½ (+1 =7 -3).

Kramnik's tournament performances in 2009 (see below) raised his rating (average of July 2009 and January 2010 ratings) sufficiently to qualify him for the World Championship Candidates (2011). In the first round he beat Teimour Radjabov by the narrowest of margins*: after tieing the classical games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), he won the blitz playoff by 2.5-1.5 (+2 =1 -1) to move to the semi final match against Alexander Grischuk, which he lost 1.5-0.5 (=1 -1) in the blitz tiebreaker after he drew the classical games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4) and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4), thereby eliminating him from the contest. Participating in the World Championship Candidates (2013) on the basis of his rating, Kramnik came =1st with Magnus Carlsen on 8.5/13 after both lost their last round games. As the first tiebreaker (individual score against the other player in the tournament) left them level, the second tiebreaker (greater number of wins in the tournament) relegated Kramnik to second place due to scoring four wins to Carlsen's five.

Kramnik was seeded directly into the World Championship Candidates (2014), as he met the pre-condition that he participate in the World Cup (2013). During the Cup, he defeated Zambian IM Gillan Bwalya in the first round, compatriot GM Mikhail Kobalia in the second round, Ukrainian GM Alexander Areshchenko in the third round, veteran Ukrainian GM and twice former Candidate Vasyl Ivanchuk in the Round of 16 (round four), his third Ukrainian opponent in the shape of GM Anton Korobov in the quarter final (round five), one of the wildcards of the event, French GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave match in the semi final (round 6) before defeating compatriot GM Dmitry Andreikin in the final by 2.5-1.5 (+1 =3). His win also guaranteed qualification in the World Cup 2015, although he would qualify by rating alone. At the Candidates in March 2014, he placed 3rd with 7/14 behind Anand and Karjakin.

He qualified by rating to play in the World Cup (2015) where he met and defeated Peruvian Deysi Estela Cori Tello and Cuban GM Lazaro Bruzon Batista in the first two rounds to advance to the third round where he lost to Dmitry Andreikin in the first set of rapid game tiebreakers, thereby bowing out of the event.

Tournaments

Kramnik won Chalkidiki 1992 with 7.5/11, and in 1993, he played in Linares, finishing fifth and defeating the then world number three, Vasyl Ivanchuk. Following some solid results in the interim which resulted in him winning the 1994 PCA Intel Grand Prix, major tournament triumphs were soon to follow, such as Dortmund 1995, Horgen 1995, Belgrade 1995, =1st in Dos Hermanas in 1996 and 1997, =1st in Tilburg 1997 (8/11). Dortmund became a favourite stop, as Kramnik has gone on to win nine more times in 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, Dortmund Sparkassen (2006), Dortmund Sparkassen (2007), Dortmund Sparkassen (2009) and Dortmund Sparkassen (2011), as either equal or clear first; in the 2011 edition of the event he won by 1.5 points despite losing in the last round. In 2000, Kramnik won his first Linares tournament, completing his set of victories in all three of chess' "triple crown" events: Corus, Linares, and Dortmund. Kramnik later captured additional Linares victories in Linares (2003) (shared) and Linares (2004) (outright). He won the Tal Memorial (2007) with 6.5/9, 1.5 ahead of Shirov. Kramnik had exceptionally good results in 2009, winning once again in Dortmund and then winning the Category 21 (average ELO = 2763) Tal Memorial (2009) in Moscow with 6/9 and a TPR of 2883. At the time, the average ELO rating of the field made it the strongest tournament in history. He also participated in the London Chess Classic (2009) in December, finishing second to Magnus Carlsen. These magnificent results qualified him for the 2011 Candidates on the basis of his boosted ratings. Kramnik began 2010 at Corus Group A (2010) in the Netherlands, during which he defeated new world number-one Carlsen with the Black pieces in their head-to-head encounter, ending Carlsen's 36-match unbeaten streak. A late loss to Anand knocked him out of first place, and Kramnik finished with 8/13, tying for second place with Shirov behind Carlsen's 8½ points. He came 2nd in the preliminary Shanghai Masters (2010) to qualify for the Grand Slam Chess Final (2010) against Carlsen and Anand, who had pre-qualified. He then won at Bilbao with +2 -0 =4 over world champion Anand, then-world number one Magnus Carlsen, and Shirov. The 2009 Tal Memorial and the Grand Slam Final at Bilbao were the most powerful tournaments (in ratings terms) ever staged. In late 2011, he easily won the 15th Unive (Crown Group) (2011) with 4.5/6 and a TPR of 2903 and finished the year with outright first at the London Chess Classic (2011) with +4 -0 =4 and a TPR of 2934, recovering ground lost following a mediocre performance in the Tal Memorial (2011) where he failed to win a game. In June 2012, he placed =4th at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2012), with 4.5/9 and in July 2012, =3rd (4th on tiebreak) at the category 19 Dortmund Sparkassen (2012) tournament. Kramnik finished 2012 with a surge, placing 2nd at the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Magnus Carlsen, scoring 6/8 (16 points in the 3-1-0 scoring system used in the event) and a TPR of 2937 to Carlsen's 2994.

His final training preparation for the Candidates tournament in March at the category 21 Zurich Chess Challenge (2013), was less than completely successful in terms of results (2.5/6), drawing five and losing one to Anand, although it seemed to contribute to his game fitness at the Candidates as he placed second by the narrowest of margins, scoring equal to Carlsen who won the event and the right to challenge Anand for the World Championship. He placed =4th with 4.5/9, a point behind the winner, in a low scoring Alekhine Memorial (2013) and then had one of his worse ever results at the Tal Memorial (2013), coming last with 3/9 (+0 -3 =6). However, he returned to form in the Dortmund Sparkassen (2013), placing outright second behind Adams, scoring 6.5/9, jointly dominating the category 19 field to the extent that no other player scored better than 50%. In November 2014, Kramnik competed at the category 20 Petrosian Memorial (2014), and was outright second behind Alexander Grischuk with 4.5/7, signalling a mild return to form after a slump that saw him exit the world's top 10 for the first time since he entered the top 10 in January 1993. There followed 2nd at the powerful Qatar Masters (2014), with 7/9, and =1st at the London Chess Classic (2014).

2015 saw Kramnik starting his competitive year by placing outright 3rd behind the winner Anand and runner-up Hikaru Nakamura, ahead of Sergey Karjakin, Levon Aronian and Fabiano Caruana respectively, in the standard section of the RR category 22 Zurich Chess Challenge (2015). He won the final section of the Zurich event, namely the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2015), but the added points were insufficient to give him the overall lead and he finished with 3rd prize behind Nakamura and Anand respectively. A relatively poor performance at the Gashimov Memorial (2015) where he scored only 4/9 was followed by a solid performance at the Russian Premier League 2015 (see below) and a below average 3.5/7 for fourth place at the annual Dortmund Sparkassen (2015). He saw out the year with equal third, scoring 6.5/9 at the powerful Qatar Masters (2015), half a point behind the joint leaders Magnus Carlsen and the rising Chinese star Yangyi Yu. Kramnik started 2016 with equal third on 5/9 at the Norway Chess (2016) behind Carlsen and Aronian respectively after also coming third in the preliminary Norway Chess (Blitz) (2016) used to determine the draw. Several months later in July he placed =2nd (with 4/7) behind Vachier-Lagrave at Dortmund Sparkassen (2016). Kramnik's year in standard time chess finished with a reasonably efficacious equal third at the London Chess Classic (2016), a point behind the winner Wesley So.

In April 2017, Kramnik was second on tiebreak ahead of co-runners up Wesley So and Veselin Topalov at the category 21 Gashimov Memorial (2017), scoring 5/9, half a point behind the winner Shakhriyar Mamedyarov. Two months later he again placed equal second, this time at the category 22 Norway Chess (2017), scoring 5/9 alongside Hikaru Nakamura, a point behind the winner Levon Aronian.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Kramnik has won three team and and individual gold medals at the Olympiads as well as two team silvers. He played in the gold medal winning Russian teams in the Manila 1992, Moscow 1994 and Yerevan 1996 Olympiads, his first gold medal being awarded to him as an untitled 16 year old in 1992 when he scored eight wins, one draw, and no losses to record a remarkable TPR of 2958. In 1994, he came fifth on the second board with 8/11 and a 2727 TPR. In 1996, he scored a relatively meagre 4.5/9 on the second board. He did not participate in any more Olympiads until Turin Olympiad (2006) in Turin, when he again won a gold medal with overall best performance on the top board with 6.5/9 (2847 TPR). In the Dresden Olympiad (2008) in Dresden, he scored 5/9 on top board and a 2735 TPR. Kramnik played board one for the silver medal winning Russian team in the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad (2010) in Khanty-Mansiysk, coming fifth with a scored of 5.5/9, winning 2 and drawing 7 with a TPR of 2794. At the Istanbul Olympiad (2012) held in Istanbul, he again played top board scoring 5/9 and coming 7th on that board, leading his team to another silver medal. At the Tromso Olympiad (2014), he again played board 1 for Russia. He played board two for Russia in the Baku Olympiad (2016), scoring individual gold for his board, and team bronze with his countrymen.

<National Team Events> In 1991, 2490-rated FM Kramnik represented Russia on board 2 at the World U26 Championship played at Maringá; with a perfect score of 6/6 he helped Russia to win gold, and won individual gold for his performance. He played in the European Team Championships on one occasion, in 1992, when the then FM was rated 2590. Again representing Russia, this time on board 3, he helped his team to win gold with a 6/7 effort, and won individual gold for board 3 as well as a gold medal for the best rating performance at the event, that being a 2863 performance, ahead of Kasparov's 2809 performance that won rating silver. That same year (1992), he also played on the USSR team against the Rest of the World. He played for Russia twice in the World Team Championship, in 1993 and 2013. On the first occasion, he lead his country to a bronze medal, and on the second occasion - at the World Team Championship (2013) - to a gold medal.

<European Club Cup> Kramnik participated in the European Club Cup between 1995 and 1999 inclusive, in 2005 and again in 2015 and 2016. He started off playing board one with SV Empor Berlin in 1992 and 1993, moved on to Sberbank-Tatarstan Kazan in 1994 where he helped the club to bronze, then played board one with the powerful Agrouniverzal Zemun team in 1998 and 1999, winning team silver in 1999. Since then, he played for NAO Paris in 2005, winning team bronze and for the Siberia Novosibirsk team in the European Club Cup (2015) and European Club Cup (2016) winning team gold in 2015 as well as an individual gold for board 1.

At the Russian Team Championship (2015), Kramnik played board 1 for Siberia Novosibirsk, winning gold for that board; his effort also helped his team to win gold. He repeated his individual effort in the Russian Team Championship (2016), this time helping his team to a bronze medal in the double round robin 5-team contest.

Matches

In 2004, he won a simul against the German National Team 2½:1½.

In October 2002, Kramnik played an eight game match against Deep Fritz (Computer) in the Brains in Bahrain (2002) match, drawing 4-4 after leading 3-1. In 2006 the German organization Universal Event Promotion (UEP) staged a return match of six games between Kramnik and Deep Fritz in Bonn, which Kramnik lost, +0 -2 =4.

In April 2012, Kramnik and Levon Aronian played, as part of their preparation for the 2012 Candidates Tournament, a six-game training match in Zurich. The Kramnik - Aronian (2012) match was drawn 3-3 (+1 -1 =4). From late November to early December 2016, he played a rapid and blitz match against Yifan Hou at the Kings Tournament in Romania, winning both by significant margins, the rapid by 4.5-0.5 and the latter by 6/9 (+5 -3 =2).

Rapids

Kramnik has been an excellent and consistent performer at rapid and blindfold play. He won or shared the overall lead at Amber in 1996 (outright overall 1st), 1998 (=1st with Shirov with 15/22), 1999 Monaco (14½/22), 2001 (=1st with Topalov with 15/22), 2004 (=1st with Morozevich with 14.5/22), and 2007 (outright overall first with 15½/22). He also won the 2001 rapid play match against Lékó by 7-5, drew the 2001 rapid play Botvinnik Memorial match with Kasparov 3:3 and the 2001 rapid play match against Anand 5:5, lost the 2002 Match Advanced Chess Kramnik vs. Anand (Leon) 3½:2½, was runner up to Anand in the Cap D'Agde FRA (2003), won the 2009 Zurich Champions Rapid (2009) with 5/7 and shared 1st in the 2010 President's Cup in Baku with 5/7. In tandem with the London Classic 2014, Kramnik came =1st in the blitz event and =3rd in the rapid play open.

Kramnik came in equal 5th with 10/15 in the World Rapid Championship (2015), 1.5 points behind the winner Carlsen, and half a point behind the joint runners up Nepomniachtchi, Radjabov and Leinier Dominguez Perez. He followed up the next day with equal second alongside Vachier-Lagrave scoring 15/21, half a point behind the outright winner Alexander Grischuk at the World Blitz Championship (2015).

Ratings

Kramnik entered the top 100 in January 1992 and has remained there since that time. He rose rapidly in the rankings such that a year later in January 1993, he entered the top 10 where he has been ensconced since, apart from a few months in 2014. Yet during that time he made it to world #1 in only two rating periods.

In January 1996, Kramnik became the world top rated player. Although he had the same FIDE rating as Kasparov (2775), He became number one by having played more games during the rating period in question. He became the youngest ever to reach world number-one, breaking Kasparov's record; this record would stand for 14 years until being broken by Magnus Carlsen in January 2010.

Ironically, during his reign as world champion, Kramnik never regained the world number-one ranking, doing so only in January 2008 after he had lost the title to Viswanathan Anand. As in 1996, Kramnik had the same FIDE rating as Anand (2799) but became number-one due to more games played within the rating period. Kramnik's 12 years between world-number one rankings is the longest since the inception of the FIDE ranking system in 1971.

In July 1993 soon after his 18th birthday, he crossed 2700 for the first time and has remained in the 2700+ rating ever since. In April 2001, he became the second of only eight chess players to have reached a rating of 2800 (the first being Kasparov, followed by Anand, Topalov, Carlsen, Aronian, Caruana and Grischuk). Kramnik's highest standard rating to date is 2811 achieved in May 2013 when he was ranked #3 in the world.

Other

In 1995, Kramnik served as a second for Kasparov during the latter's successful defence of his Classical World Chess Championship against Anand, and in an ironic counter point in 2010 he served as a second for Anand during the World Champion's successful defence against Topalov.

Kramnik has a form of arthritis called ankylosing spondylitis. In January 2006, Kramnik announced that he would miss the Corus Group A (2006) to seek treatment for this condition. He returned from treatment in June 2006, playing in the 37th Chess Olympiad, winning gold by top scoring on the top board. Kramnik's performance in winning the Classical World Championship in 2000 won him the Chess Oscar for 2000, while his 2006 victory in the reunification match earned him the Chess Oscar for 2006.

On 30 December 2006 he married French journalist Marie-Laure Germon and they have a daughter, Daria, who was born 28 December 2008, and a son, Vadim, born 28 January 2013.

Sources and references Website: http://www.kramnik.com/; Biography: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/biograph...; Extended and candid interview with Kramnik by Vladislav Tkachiev in August 2011: http://whychess.org/node/1605; Live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; * http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...; Wikipedia article: Kramnik

Last updated: 2023-11-23 11:45:25

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 page 1 of 130; games 1-25 of 3,249  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Kramnik vs Serdyukov 1-0311984BelorechenskB78 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack, 10.castle long
2. A Oganyan vs Kramnik 0-1311984BelorechenskB89 Sicilian
3. Remezov vs Kramnik  0-1521985KrasnodarB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
4. Kramnik vs Zhukov 1-0381986BelorechenskB43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3
5. Zaitsev vs Kramnik 0-1491986Team TournamentB83 Sicilian
6. Kramnik vs Otsarev 1-0181987Baku TrainingB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
7. Shilov vs Kramnik 0-1371987USSR Boys' ChampionshipB33 Sicilian
8. Kramnik vs A Chjumachenko 1-0321987GelendzhikB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
9. Kramnik vs Mayorov 1-0341987GelendzhikC12 French, McCutcheon
10. I Odesskij vs Kramnik 0-1251987URS-chT U14A52 Budapest Gambit
11. Yakubovsky vs Kramnik  0-1511987URS-chT U14B23 Sicilian, Closed
12. Yakovich vs Kramnik 1-0421988URSB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
13. Kramnik vs Danislian ½-½601988URS-chT U18B15 Caro-Kann
14. M Golubev vs Kramnik 0-1381988URS-chT U18B33 Sicilian
15. Kramnik vs Yakovich ½-½141989Chigorin Memorial-BB33 Sicilian
16. Kramnik vs R Shcherbakov ½-½351989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
17. A V Filipenko vs Kramnik 0-1401989Chigorin Memorial-BB00 Uncommon King's Pawn Opening
18. Kramnik vs A Panchenko ½-½601989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
19. Khenkin vs Kramnik ½-½171989Chigorin Memorial-BD39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation
20. J Ivanov vs Kramnik ½-½121989Chigorin Memorial-BA85 Dutch, with c4 & Nc3
21. Kramnik vs B Podlesnik 1-0371989Chigorin Memorial-BB33 Sicilian
22. M Sorokin vs Kramnik ½-½521989Chigorin Memorial-BA81 Dutch
23. G Kallai vs Kramnik ½-½221989Chigorin Memorial-BA81 Dutch
24. Kramnik vs G Tunik 0-1381989Chigorin Memorial-BB46 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation
25. Kramnik vs A Grosar ½-½471989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
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Oct-25-24  shach motov: <Can you find <any scenario> at which Danya would need to have an ability to analyze with an engine <during his games>??>

As I showed clearly above, no special ability is required and it takes few seconds at most. So that particular argument can be put to rest.

Oct-25-24  stone free or die: <shach motov> do you play any blitz/bullet online? And specifically, on <chess.com>?
Oct-25-24  metatron2: <shach>

As far as I know, Copy the game's PGN only works <after> the game ends and <not during> the game.

You are welcome to prove me otherwise.

But even if it worked, comes a question: is it legal to open another chess program with an engine while you are playing a game?

And then comes the main question that you didn't reply to yet:

<But indeed even more relevant then how he did it, is <WHY he did it> ??

So I ask you the same question that I asked <fabelhaft>:

Can you find <any scenario> at which Danya would need to have an ability to analyze with an engine <during his games>??

I remind you again that this ability requires special extra efforts, and is illegal (unless you show me otherwise), so its not something that he could use just because "it was already there"..>

(and you certainly didn't refute the last paragraph, since you need to show that its legal and comes out of the box)

Oct-25-24  shach motov: <stone> Rarely live games, but sometimes against their engines. The cheating is a problem everywhere in online chess so it discourages playing live.
Oct-25-24  stone free or die: <sm> Thanks, just wondering.
Oct-25-24  metatron2: <shach: As I showed clearly above, no special ability is required and it takes few seconds at most. So that particular argument can be put to rest>

Again, you most certainly didn't.

When I said "requires special extra efforts" there, I meant that you <cannot just click the engine on/off button inside chesscom>, as is the case when you watch broadcast games, or when you analyze your archived games.

Note that if you used some hacker program that delivers the moves automatically to your engine's application, then using it would be totally effortless, Much easier then the copy&paste option that you mentioned there, even if it worked during the game (and it doesn't..).

So the "special extra efforts" that I mentioned there, referred to the fact that you will need to actively do all the installations and setups in order for it to work. So as I said: it doesn't come out of the box (of chesscom) and its illegal.

So why should Danya have such illegal setup installed on his computer (with automatic hacker's moves transfer or manual transfer)? for What Purpose ???

Oct-25-24  shach motov: <meat>

If google is lying about that (maybe i'll search more later) then first and foremost, if you're raising the issue then YOU have to first show that it would actually be difficult to get a live game in an engine. You have absolute zero reason to assume that it would if you don't have proof that it would. So your argument is based on an absolutely unfounded, unproven assumption that you want me to disprove. It's like saying to someone "you robbed a bank, prove me otherwise". First you need to show me that it would be HARD to transfer moves to an engine with a legitimate argument (not just chess.com do not allow it), then maybe I will try to show you that it's EASY. You can't just claim that it is hard out of thin air.

That being said, Naro has used engines for analysis for many years and is good with searching for chess stuff on computer and using monitors. He finds example games to show a particular strategic theme in matter of seconds. So I think it would be a piece of cake for him to do the same with live game moves. But again, if you believe that it would be hard, it's 100% on you to first show that with proof. Otherwise it is just an empty accusation worth nothing.

Oct-25-24  metatron2: <shach>

Again, forget about the work "hard",

The question here is <WHY>

In any type of scenario, he will need some sort of <illegal> setup to transfer his moves <during> his games.

Even if it took him 5 minutes to find such solution and set it up (surely it took him much more, but just for the sake of argument), the question still remains:

Why did he search for such <illegal> setup, and why did he install it on his PC (with or without manual part)?? You still haven't answered that simple question.

Oct-25-24  metatron2: I meant:

word* "hard"

Oct-25-24  shach motov: <meta>
If by <illegal> you mean <against the rules> of chess.com, then there is absolutely no doubt about that. If he was able to do that then it's against their rules, nobody ever disputed that FACT. However, that is not the point. The point is: if it is some hard, complex process, or something that can be done within seconds. If it is the first, then there is certain premeditation in his actions and that would be suspect. BUT, if it's easy and can be done within seconds then it was a spontaneous thing he did for the benefit of his students alone, and nothing else.

Now the issue is to prove the premeditated aspect of his actions. As i mentioned, he is able to find chess related things within few seconds, so I can imagine him doing the same with an engine without any premeditation or previous such activity. So if you're claiming premeditation, you have to show that with proof first before any accusations. Otherwise the accusations have no real basis. (By premeditated, I mean did he do this on regular basis and with intention to break rules or was it a single isolated event)

Neither of us are experts in this field so the idea that someone who possibly knows much more than us can't do what we can't is ridiculous. There maybe a very easy way that Naro did it that we are unaware of. And without premeditation, spontaneously. Is there any proof that he ever used an engine in any other games. Absolutely not. So it's possible that he just did it in one game with zero intention to cheat. It has to be proven otherwise - you're still innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

Oct-25-24
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  perfidious: <slag matov....It has to be proven otherwise - you're still innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.>

This has never stopped you when tarring others with the brush of unsubstantiated accusations.

Oct-25-24  fabelhaft: Naroditsky was invited to defend himself in the Russian Levitov channel where Kramnik has been quite active and participated also now, and the content was apparently rather funny. Some quotes from people watching it:

<was surreal to see kramnik inadvertently describing in detail how he accused danya of cheating, not because he's a cheater, but because (literally) that he was angry that Danya didn't support Kramnik's public fight. He went at Danya because he's affiliated with chesscom and has the highest profile. if it wasn't Danya, it would've been hess, and if not hess, then aman>

<He sounded like a manchild struggling with confidence issues. And for some reason Danya was supposed to stand up for him. As Danya said he just wants to play>

<Kramnik’s basic argument boiled down to, other people were mean to me and you didn’t defend me. So now I am being mean to you because you deserve it>

<as you can imagine, this is not a productive conversation because of Kramnik. I fully expect Kramnik to post about how he didn't get answers in the interview. SEVERAL times, Kramnik brings up chesscom and how no GM has defended him from them for the last year>

<Kramnik is the first to run mouth when accusing others of cheating without any proof, using his WC title to ruin whole careers and causing mental distress just because he wants to, and when someone finally tells him to just shut the @#$% up, he starts acting like he's all hurt and sad?>

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comm...

Oct-25-24
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  Sally Simpson: Hi,

In this paranoiac and cheat obsessive age if a player admits they used a computer during a game - then that is it. People are not interested as to the reason why, they will not accept any 'if's' or 'buts,' or 'excuses.' Sounds harmless, the mistake was admitting to it.

Copying and pasting moves will get you caught, the chess.com system can pick up on multitasking.

The undetectable best method, or so I've heard, is to link two home computers together with a cable. The 'Master' is what you play on, the 'Slave' is getting fed the same moves as the Master but has been tweaked to also put the moves into a chess computer which you can see on on the slave screen. (apparently any 12 year old can set it up for you for a cola and a candy bar.)

How about using a mobile log and into chess.com with a different account and watch your own live game again tweaked to show computer analysis. Eventually the chess.com cheat team may pick up on this mysterious 'watcher' who just looks at one player's games.

Oct-25-24  fabelhaft: Kramnik said he wanted Naroditsky to stop Belenkaya from gossiping about what Team Nepo apparently had told her about their considering opponents cheating in the Candidates, and he also said that Naroditsky had accused him of accusing him of cheating, which Kramnik apparently means that he hasn’t. Kramnik also meant it was unfair that he was banned for playing on Khismatullin’s account, and said that he was bullied by chess.com and that Naroditsky should have defended him.

<It was even more ridiculous than that, at some point he was saying that " you didn't defend me when people were attacking me so you deserve this”>

Haven’t watched it myself though, and probably never will, so just going by some selected quotes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comm...

Oct-25-24  shach motov: <Kramnik also meant it was unfair that he was banned for playing on Khismatullin’s account, and said that he was bullied by chess.com and that Naroditsky should have defended him.>

Kramnik's obnoxious tomfoolery has no limits apparently. So he thinks that Naro was obligated to defend him when Kramnik in fact cheated on chess.com (a proven fact); so because of that, as "punishment" to Naro he will now accuse him of cheating while having zero evidence. You can't make this stuff up. But i guess the whole thing makes a bit more sense now. Kramnik's fragile ego was so hurt after chess.com discovered his cheating and banned him that now he is "avenging" himself against players who he feels betrayed him. Embarrassing and pathetic. He needs to finally become a man and apologize to everybody he wrongfully accused, otherwise he will never be taken seriously again.

Oct-25-24  stone free or die: <<Sally> Sounds harmless, the mistake was admitting to it.>

Versus actually having done it?!

Oct-26-24  metatron2: <shach: If by <illegal> you mean <against the rules> of chess.com, then there is absolutely no doubt about that. If he was able to do that then it's against their rules, nobody ever disputed that FACT. However, that is not the point. The point is: if it is some hard, complex process, or something that can be done within seconds>

As I said, I don't agree that the complexity of the cheating process is significant here. Pulling the trigger of a gun and killing someone, takes a few seconds you know.

But in any case, <Sally> pointed out that: <The undetectable best method, or so I've heard, is to link two home computers together with a cable. The 'Master' is what you play on, the 'Slave' is getting fed the same moves as the Master but has been tweaked to also put the moves into a chess computer which you can see on on the slave screen>, and that requires purchasing and installing special equipment, on top of the special software. Most certainly <not a "quick and simple"> job to do. So as far as I see it, anyone that installs something like that, has to be a cheater.

<shach: Now the issue is to prove the premeditated aspect of his actions>

When someone makes the efforts to install a cheating setup that bypasses all of chesscom defense mechanisms, then there is not much question about premeditation there.

I mean what else? Danya did it for "educational purposes"? why would he need engine analysis <during> his educational game vs 1100 rated players? his analysis should be way good enough without an engine at all, but even if he wanted to verify with an engine that he didn't miss anything, then obviously there is no reason at all to do it during the game. And you also said that it was only a one time incident, so that proves that it wasn't required for education purposes.

====

<fabelhaft: Naroditsky was invited to defend himself in the Russian Levitov channel where Kramnik has been quite active and participated also now, and the content was apparently rather funny. Some quotes from people watching it>

When fabelhaft starts bringing irrelevant gossip (for out of context quotes) from reddit, instead of answering the real questions, that is when you know that he doesn't have a real answer..

Oct-26-24  metatron2: <Sally: How about using a mobile log and into chess.com with a different account and watch your own live game again tweaked to show computer analysis>

Well, that would be a Very Big Tweak, since chesscom doesn't present engine moves in that case as well (only eval bar, which wasn't the case with Danya).

And as you said, even if he had such SW: a user that does nothing but constantly following Danya's games, would have been to suspicious for chesscom, so that doesn't seem like a practical option.

===

<stone free or die: <<Sally> Sounds harmless, the mistake was admitting to it.> Versus actually having done it?!>

I think that Sally meant there, was that Danya using an engine while playing a 1100 rated player, was harmless from the cheating point of view.

But as I said many times here: Doing that is not only illegal, but also incriminates him for installing and using such cheating mechanism, a mechanism that can only be used for one purpose actually..

Oct-26-24  shach motov: <meta: As I said, I don't agree that the complexity of the cheating process is significant here. Pulling the trigger of a gun and killing someone, takes a few seconds you know.>

Why in the world would time be a factor at all? Today there many ways to do things that neither of us would dream of being possible. Can you possibly prove that he didn't just find a way to do it without any special equipment? Certainly not.

The bottom line is that neither me, you nor Sally know what he did, how he did it. If you feel that this is a significant issue then you have to PROVE that he went out of his way to install stuff and then use it for cheating. As said, you have to provide evidence for your claims, otherwise it's just empty assumptions.

The much more important point is that we have to look at hundreds of things that show that Naro is not a cheater, his very honest, honorable character, his history of very generous chess instruction, his extreme dislike of cheating generally, etc. To find one totally insignificant issue that you feel points to wrongdoing while ignoring hundreds of things that show him to be a very honest person is either dishonest or misguided.

And, again, if you makes such a serious claim that someone cheated, it is 100% your responsibility to provide serious evidence for your case. You have not done so at all.

One thing you could do is ask him personally how he did it. That would clear up the issue. Otherwise simply assuming and claiming things is not worth much at all.

<why would he need engine analysis <during> his educational game vs 1100 rated players?>

Usually he doesn't but sometimes he is confused himself so uses an engine. It's another total non-issue.

<And you also said that it was only a one time incident, so that proves that it wasn't required for education purposes.>

It's not required but, again, many a time even a GM is lost in the complications. And "doing it during the game" was already explained, the game was basically over so it's absolute nonsense to even talk about this issue.

This also raises a significant point that someone as intelligent as Naro, if he EVER used an engine to cheat would hide that fact very skillfully and certainly never openly use it during a game! The very fact that he did openly use it once in a totally won game for instructional purposes shows that he in fact is not a cheater! Would a very intelligent person with an illegal gun intentionally display it in front of a cop?? That would be totally absurd. But that's exactly what you and Kramnik are claiming. It's total nonsense and I hope you see that since usually your arguments are pretty rational.

Oct-26-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sally Simpson: Telling anyone you turned on an engine at the end of a won game for what ever reason is asking for trouble. Although The lad's explanation seems valid and was done in all innocence it is still a no-no.

The mistake, other than actually using an engine, was telling anyone and then admitting it. Then you have to offer the reason why, which will not be believed or accepted by a lot people and raise questions how you did it during a game without sending chess.com an alarm. Which is what is happening here.

Oct-26-24  stone free or die: <Sally Simpson: Telling anyone you turned on an engine *at the end* of a won game for what ever reason is asking for trouble.>

Wasn't the engine turned on before the end of the game, isn't that the issue?

Also - does <chess.com> allow an eval bar during active play under some conditions?

(Or did I misunderstand some of the above commentary?)

Oct-26-24
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  Sally Simpson: HI Stone,

That was what I meant. at the of end of a won game - before it was finished. Sorry, it was not clear.

I'm reading this as the lad turned on a computer to look at what may have happened, say from moves 10-20, he was not getting help to polish off his opponent. But sticking to the letter of the law, using a computer to look at a game whilst the game is in progress is not allowed. The lad obviously thought he was doing nothing wrong so he mentioned it in passing what he had done and here we are...

I've no idea if the players can see their evo bar during a game, I doubt it. I have had an account since 2020, 'Kid Zebra' so I could download a game etc. I played a 3 minute game (I won!) I will not play another game - I have a 100% record on chess.com (do not tell Kramnik.)

I looked at some of the forums. it appears, though do not quote me, you might get an evo bar if you play against one of the onsite computers....a lot of the onsite computers at chess.com have a pulse.

Oct-26-24  stone free or die: <Sally> actually the eval bar comment I was most wondering about was <metatron>'s

<Well, that would be a Very Big Tweak, since chesscom doesn't present engine moves in that case as well (only eval bar, which wasn't the case with Danya).>

But I'm glad we agree with this:

< But sticking to the letter of the law, using a computer to look at a game whilst the game is in progress is not allowed. >

Oct-26-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: In general I keep my trap shut about Kramnik. I really like him and his chess is superb. He's a bit paranoid...not totally paranoid.

Nakamura is a bobby dazzler. He's a sensible, funny guy.

So I'm waiting... which one of these two will resolve the cheating debate.

Oct-26-24  stone free or die: <bobby dazzler> - had to look that one up.

<The English word bobby-dazzler was originally a Yorkshire and Lancashire dialect term for a person who is considered (with affection) remarkable or excellent, shows smart dress sense or is maybe "flashy".>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby...

Its usage can be traced back to the 1860's.

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