| Sep-05-04 | | Whole Sick Crew: the dutch looks like it's starting to make a comeback! guess theory on the KID is becoming a little too voluminous... tell you what, there is no better weapon against an amateur than the stonwall... |
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| Sep-13-04 | | yoozum: it doesn't seem to be making a comeback with the elite, however. |
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| Sep-13-04 | | Knight13: This Opening is created for controlling the center with fainchetto the bishop. If I am wrong, correct me. |
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| Sep-13-04 | | yoozum: i don't know, i've never played the dutch. i'm guessing the main reason why it's not used is because it destroys any possibilities of kingside castling. it's not that often that you see queenside castling. |
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| Sep-13-04 | | Giancarlo: The Dutch is perfectly fine for Black to KS. I have played many Dutch defenses as Black, and I ALWAYS play it against 1.d4. The Key for Black is to Develop quickly on the KS, and then mount an attack on the White KS using usually the open F-file if possible, and sometimes bringing the queen to h4. If White does not Finachetto the KS, he may as well welcome in a blood bath from black. The Finnachetto isn't really as much for controlling the center as it is for portection against the Black KS attack. Again, it is perfectly reasonable to KS castle as black in this opening, as it is also quite safe for black. |
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| Sep-13-04 | | Giancarlo: As a 1400 class player I suggest you try using the Dutch and see how it works out. I think you'll do well with it. |
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| Sep-13-04 | | Giancarlo: <knight13>of course. |
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| Sep-13-04 | | Whole Sick Crew: <yoozum> Radjabov has busted it out probably close to half a dozen times. I'd consider him elite (and becoming more so). Like I said, people are getting tired of all the theory surrounding the KID, Benoni, Nimzo Indian, whatever. The Dutch will get more popular, no doubt. |
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| Sep-14-04 | | Dudley: Both Morphy and Botvinnik played the Dutch and they were pretty elite. I agree with you <WSC> that the Stonewall is a good defense both against and for the typical amateur player. Also the Stonewall attack as white is pretty formidible and easy to play, but doesn't work too well against a King's Indian stucture by Black. Playing it from the Black side however, you don't have to worry about that, but do have to be ready for the Staunton Gambit with 1.d4 f5 2.e4. (I think that's it). Botvinnik's solution was to use the move order 1.d4 e6 2.c4 f5, but he was also ready to play a French Defense in case of 2.e4. |
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| Sep-14-04 | | jmcd2002: I like that Botvinnik move order. I stopped playing the Dutch after getting crushed by the Staunton a couple of times, but I'd like to bring it back. Plus the French is my second-choice against 1. e4 (after Caro-Kann), so that wouldn't be a problem for me. Do you have any good example games off the top of your head? |
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| Sep-14-04 | | Dudley: Rabinovich vs.Botvinnik 1927
Flohr " " 1933
Steiner " " 1946
Bronstein " " 1951
Keres " " 1947
These are all wins using the above move order and I'm sure there are others. Botvinnik played the Stonewall Dutch mostly. I think players like Alekhine and Tartakover also played the Dutch sometimes but they played about everything at one time or another. You can find more games with the search feature. |
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| Sep-18-04 | | paultopia: Will someone please tell me how to deal with 2. Bg5 as black when playing the dutch? I prefer to play the leningrad, which 2. Bg5 seems to downright prevent. And then things get ugly... HELP? |
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Sep-18-04
 | | Chessical: <paultopia> Perhaps it is best not to try to play the Leningrad at all costs after <2. Bg5>; the following lines may be of interest: 1. d4 f5 2. Bg5 Nf6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Bxf6 exf6 5. e3 Be6 6. Bd3 Nc6 seems a reasonably successful scheme , e.g. M Gurevich vs Topalov, 1993
or if:
<4. f3> Nc6 5. Qd2 h6 6. Bxf6 exf6 Kempinski vs Malaniuk, 2001 |
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| Sep-23-04 | | paultopia: Thanks! Although it worries me terribly that the "anti-dutch" Bg5 is sufficiently credible that Gurevich, one of the most expert dutch players in the world, uses it. |
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| Aug-13-07 | | melianis: Sorry, but i have to ask... Should this be the place to discuss the non-validity of the 'Homer Simpson' -variation (thus named by User: JustWoodshifting) 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Kd2? ? |
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| Nov-28-07 | | DukeAlba: I remember I caught my step-brother in a trap one time when he played the Dutch. 1. d4 f5
2. Bg5 h6
3. Bh4 g5
4. Bg3 f4
5. e3 fxBg3
6. Qh6#
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| Jan-27-08 | | Tomlinsky: <DukeAlba: I remember I caught my step-brother in a trap one time when he played the Dutch.> I tried to catch my mother-in-law in a trap once. A bear beat her to it. |
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| Mar-11-09 | | WhiteRook48: I always play 1...f5 against 1. d4
I have caught my dad in a similar trap when I was trying to steer the game to a Dutch. (I was White) |
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| Jul-17-11 | | SillvioDanaillov: could anyone tell me how black initiate kside attack and white plan to stop it? |
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| Apr-02-12 | | freeman8201: Okay now what's the difference between the Leningrad and the Semi-Leningrad Variation. I keep seeing the later more often than I do the main Leningrad. |
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