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Shilov vs Vladimir Kramnik
"Shilov Me, Shilov Me Not" (game of the day Apr-13-2011)
USSR Boys' Championship (1987), Baku
Sicilian Defense: Lasker-Pelikan. Sveshnikov Variation (B33)  ·  0-1



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Apr-13-11  Skakalec: I can see why 20.Qa4 is superior to 20.Qe2. It's not for a simple triple-fork but because of 21.Qc4! (after 20...Nc5). And now black cannot play f5, he has to face b4 in the next move (a5 does not prevent it and Pe4 falls. Since black has no f5 immidiately , white has plenty of time to consolidate, (and winn either Pe4 or Pa6). Possile plans after Qa4-Qc4 manouvre are, g3, Kg2, Rhe1 and Rad1, or without Rad1 (if Pa6 falls in the whites hands).
Apr-13-11  KingV93: Gutsy Queen sac! I'm not good enough to judge the degree of risk but at first look it seems like quite a gamble.

I'm no Kramnik fan but this game impresses me. Overpowering attacking play.

Apr-13-11  Jim Bartle: "Shilov me" is better, but US Civil War buffs might appreciate "Bloody Shilov."
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  scormus: The 11 or 12 year old Kramnik displayed some of the qualities that made him such a tough player at world championship level. The "Q sac" was a resourceful tactic in a game that was threatening to get right away from him. 7 successive p-moves in the opening might hve been a bit much.

W's 29, 30, 35 moves might have been blunders but quite understandable ones for someone to make in such a position.

Yet another example of how putting someone under pressure can affect their play

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  kevin86: The steamrolling rooks will win the queen in a couple of moves.

38 ♕xf2 ♖g1+ 39 ♔ (second rank) Either ♖g2 pins the queen

Apr-13-11  hellopolgar: if you put this game in an engine, you will realize that white is winning until the blunder 29.cxd4. once the d4 square gets occupied by black's bishop, and white has no pawns to drive that bishop away, everything is over.
Apr-13-11  KingV93: I do enjoy and benefit from reading the analysis and opinions of others here. It makes realize how little I know and how poorly I see things some times, while also being encouraging when I do get something right! Makes me a better chess player!
Apr-13-11  Jim Bartle: You want analysis and opinion, KingV93? Fewer upper class twits, more silly walks.
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  Penguincw: Oh I get the pun.
Apr-13-11  Mozart72: Shilov's 31.25% win probability in move 37 and Kramnik's 37.50% win probability in move 37 shows the correctness of 0-1.
Apr-13-11  lost in space: in the late 180ties Kramnik played like this. I the mid 2000snds he was Drwanik with Black and now he is playing a very active, dynamic as black - not drawish, not too risky but enough to have a chance.

Exactly my cup of tea. Controlled offense.

Apr-13-11  MaxxLange: wow, nice Svesh
Apr-13-11  David2009: <hellopolgar: if you put this game in an engine...> Let's do just that using Crafty End Game Trainer starting from

click for larger view

which is White to play, 20?

The EGT link is I accept that the position is won with best play by White, but without using another engine I found it very difficult and kept sliding into losses. Black has resources in the position which the EGT discovers and exploits.

The attraction for me of Crafty EGT is that it is (a) free (b) fast (c) univerally available (unless its server is overloaded): so it provides a 'universal acid' for testing out winning tries. Have a go: you are white starting from the diagram position, drag and drop the move you want to make. Enjoy finding the win! (or not, as he case may be). [For more details visit crafty chessforum

Apr-13-11  Dr. Funkenstein: I understand the final position if Qxf2, but what's the finish after 38. Ke2
Apr-13-11  WhiteRook48: i think if 38 Ke2 then Black plays 38...Rf8 and white is practically forced to play 39 Qxf2 Rxf2+ 40 Kxf2 in a losing rook endgame. If white doesn't play 39 Qxf2, Black promotes rather easily
Apr-13-11  AuN1: garry kimovich deserves a lot of the accolades he gets, but kramnik sets his own path and should always be lauded as the trail-blazer that he is.
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  maxi: Kramnink was twelve years old when he played this game.
Apr-13-11  Lil Swine: i dont get 12.Bxb5, why not take?
Apr-14-11  Shams: <Lil Swine> Click 'find similar games' and you'll find four games where black takes on b5.
Apr-14-11  tentsewang: "ShiLOVs me NOT!" LOL
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  maxi: 15...♖a7 cannot be improved by 15...♖b8? 16.♘xd7 ♕xd7 17.♗xc6 and Black resigns, as in N Fercec vs G Kanellopoulos, 2001
Apr-18-11  Lil Swine: @ <Shams>, Thanks!
Aug-09-16  nittanyamerica: 27...Kh8 and white is crushed!!
Dec-19-18  efyd: Two Rook have value 10 plus two strong pawn
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  plang: yes, but look for year end bargains

might be able to get 9 plus one strong pawn

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