Bigger problem for him will be verdict in the Civil fraud case will come out next week. Even if Engoron sticks with the mere $ 350m Tish James is asking for. If he wants to appeal that, he'd need to post that as a bond.

If this were truly the case, I suspect you would have answered my previous request, to please copy and paste this cheerleading which you claim I posted.

Until you do so, I consider this comment of yours as nothing but bluster. No offense intended, just that you need to back your claim with some substance, which has of yet not been provided.

Go ahead, I'll <continue> waiting :)

<Btw TGA, do you think that Mary the Mother of Jesus was Jewish?>

I think that 99.99% of the people who discuss this topic don't realize that "Jewish" is a term that is misused. Pervasively. Mainly because it's complicated.

There are at least 2 different religions that can be accurately described as "Jewish". One of those religions, the ancient one, contained multiple sects that were commonly referred to as "Jews" by NT authors. Pharissees, Sadduccess, Essenes, scribes - those fellows, and maybe more groups. This is usually described, by students of the subject, as "Temple Judaism".

But after the Romans smashed a Jewish rebellion in the mid 70s AD, they proceeded to destroyed the Jew's temple too. This was prophesied by Jesus Christ Himself.

Which gave rise to the religion of Talmudic Judaism. That's the religion of those identifying as religious Jews in this day and age, if my understanding is correct.

On top of that, there is the <race> of people that is commonly referred to as "Jewish", even though the much of the 'Old Testament' does not refer to them using this term. Only the newer books of the OT use the term 'Jew'. This race of people is more accurately described as "Israelites", being genetic offspring of Israel himself.

Mary was an <Israelite>, AFAIK. And a practitioner of the <religion> of Temple Judaism, which no longer exists. But she was not a Pharissee or Sadduccee or scribe, if that's what you're asking.

All Pharissees and Sadduccees: Please forgive my spelling if it's wrong.

Who really cares so long as the Democrats keep winning elections?>

OK, so maybe <chancho> will describe this as cheerleading, but this comes from the innate sense of fairness within me.

Hate that poster all you want, but in his defense it is <quite clear> that he led with his point:

<The Integrity: Anyone else? (<Chancho> was unable to respond)

If there's a Jewish race with Jewish genes, then <WHO> was the first Jew?>

Was the post lengthy? yes. Could someone with short attention span forget the point by the time they get to the end of such a long post? yes, of course.

But none of that changes the fact that the person <led> with the point.

Time is better spent with Jesus Christ than with Tolstoy, no disrespect intended to Leo.

And... bless you, <jls>. Here's an article just for you: (All you other Rogoff readers stay away.)

<WWE boss Vince McMahon quits after sex-trafficking lawsuit>

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-c...

<Genesis 17:4-6 “As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations. I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you.>>

Well, there we have it. That's a bit of a "substantive" post.

Yes, Abram became Abraham who became the father of <many> nations. Israelites being one of them. Good stuff.

Now, if you will kindly cut and paste where I was "cheerleading" in this debate, I'd appreciate it :) [warning! trick question]

Compared to what?

<Antoinette Lattouf: ABC presenter sacked over Gaza post ignites row in Australia>

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-aust...

Sacked for posting HRW info? Say it ain't so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCD...

It is a short story with Tolstoy's reconciliation of different views of God. Time is better spent on Tolstoy than on the self-important buffoons here who think that they understand God>

I hope people listen to it and then discuss it in the forum - both atheists and spiritual/religious people of the forum.

I had made this point earlier viz asking who the first jew is irrelevant to the debate , and ridiculous too.

<You are going to die.>

And then you will face Jesus Christ to account for all of your actions in this life.

Here is help:

And then you will face Jesus Christ to account for all of your actions in this life.>

Sounds like cheerleading to me.

The Intergeek was using the tactic of declaring victory by not answering the questions posed to him and making it like no one managed to respond to his.

I said he was steamrolled by the Rogoff posters because he would not respond to their questions.

Well, he did ask the one about whether Jesus's fellow Israelites said he was a Jew.

KP mentioned to the Intergeezer a verse where Jesus said to the Samaritan Woman: <You worship what you do not know You people worship what you do not understand; we worship what we understand, because salvation is from the Jews.>

He just tried to play it off as salvation came out of Judea.

Jew means Judio in Spanish.

Loudaios in Greek, Ebreos in Italian.

Mary lived in Judea.

Ethnically, she was Jewish.

The tribe of Judah was where the word Jew came from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew_(....

Btw, Israel as a nation fell to the Assyrians centuries before Judea fell.

Speaking of <al wazir>, I was watching some Futbol highlights and saw that <aw> attended the 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar!!! Go to the 2:16 time mark and watch the left hand side. There he is!!! Right behind where the goalkeeper grasps the ball, <al wazir> watches intently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqy...

As for "king of the Jews", that could be said about anyone who ruled over the Jews after the era of Judges; in other words, from the time of Saul up to/through the time of some Roman Emperors. Also note that the gospel records show that the "Jews" actually <objected> to Pilate's sign. They didn't recognize Christ as king.

And then there is the fact that Jesus Christ is Lord of ALL! He is the king of believers and non-believers both. Which does not in any way make the rest of us into "Jews".

I also posted a scholar who teaches at Brown University who said Jesus was a Jew. I'll repost:

<Was Jesus a Jew? Of course, Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogues. He preached from Jewish text, from the Bible. He celebrated the Jewish festivals. He went on pilgrimage to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem where he was under the authority of priests.... He lived, was born, lived, died, taught as a Jew. This is obvious to any casual reader of the gospel text. What's striking is not so much that he was a Jew but that the gospels make no pretense that he wasn't. The gospels have no sense yet that Jesus was anything other than a Jew. The gospels don't even have a sense that he came to found a new religion, an idea completely foreign to all the gospel text, and completely foreign to Paul. That is an idea which comes about only later. So, to say that he was a Jew is saying a truism, is simply stating an idea that is so obvious on the face of it, one wonders it even needs to be said.>

Shaye I.D. Cohen
Samuel Ungerleider Professor of Judaic Studies and Professor of Religious Studies Brown University

Sounds like cheerleading to me. >

Only if you ignore the fact that these were both accurate statements.

<After> everyone stopped responding to <TI>'s posts, you <did> declare victory. Saw it with my own eyes. Something about <TI> getting steamrolled by 'Rogoff posters'. (Paraphrasing here.)

Of course, it is to your <credit> that you did come back, after a couple of days. I even noted this at the time.

Still, all in all, this means that my observably correct assessment has been spun by you into a claim of "cheerleading", yet without any contradiction or refutation of my assertions.

Is that because you have such a low opinion of people in this forum ? You really think they are stupid enough to waste time on this useless conversation ?

On the other hand , I have a high opinion of people in this forum including you and that is why I hope that they and you would appreciate post of <johnlspouge> and reconcile different views of God.

Ooph. I will try not to hold it against him/her.

<who said Jesus was a Jew....>

Again, I think that 99.99% of the people who discuss this topic don't realize that "Jewish" is a term that is misused.

But in addition to that, I'll wager Mr./Dr. Shaye I.D. Cohen ["Cohen"!] knows for sure the differences in usage that are obfuscated for the benefit of those who sow confusion.

<Samuel Ungerleider Professor of Judaic Studies and Professor of Religious Studies Brown University>

Just write "Frankfort School of Marxism". Much easier.

<Dr. Cohen is the author or editor of eight books and over fifty articles on the history of Judaism: rabbinic law, Josephus, and early Judaism in relation to Hellenism and early Christianity.>>

The Tribe endorsing the Tribe. Okay, Goyim.

I'd bet dollars to little green donoughts that Dr. Cohen knows full good and well the distinctions I mentioned previously.