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Mar-28-06 | | SBC: <DrKurtPhart>
Thanks for Keyes version, along with some nice links! But, if I remember correctly - and you can check it out - Keyes also had Morphy traveling to New York for the Congress on a steamer via Havana. And on the return trip, she had him meeting up with a riverboat gambler, I think in St. Louis. In other words, her version, if I'm even close, isn't very dependable. |
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Mar-28-06 | | SBC: <ckr>
Thanks for all the info. But I think your information has to do with Morphy's trip from NY to NO after his return from Europe in 1859... which apparently has it's own set of problems. I was wondering about his return trip after the Chess Congress of 1857. |
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Mar-28-06 | | historybuff: Harry Golombek writes that in 1882, Johannes Zukertort met Paul Morphy walking on Canal Street and presented his card, which Morphy put in his pocket without looking at it, but nevertheless addressed him by name and spoke to him in French. Zukertort, very surprised, asked him how he knew he could speak French. Morphy replied, "I met you in Paris in 1867 and you spoke French then."
That would have been fifteen years earlier, which illustrates Morphy's incredible memory.
I read about a meeting with Steinitz, but never heard of this meeting. Has this been authenticated? Any one have additional information? |
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Mar-29-06 | | ckr: <<<historybuff> Mr. Whipple states this as a correction to Buck's assertations that ole' Harry is quoting from> ·Zukertort did not meet Morphy in 1882 as Buck states he did, nor is it likely that they ever met. Zukertort first visited New Orleans in 1884.> |
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Mar-29-06 | | Calli: Its false. I can't remember the source, but apparently Zukertort never visited America until his 1884 tour. For that matter, was Zukertort even in Paris in 1867? There are no games outside of Germany for him during that period. |
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Mar-29-06 | | DrKurtPhart: Saturday 18th December 1857 Pittsburgh
FKP
He had been offered letters of introduction http://cprr.org/Museum/Secty_War_Re... from his new-found friends in New York to aquaintances of theirs in Pittsburgh, but had declined these, as the departure of the John C. Fremont, the steamboat he had chosen, http://images.google.fi/imgres?imgu... was tentatively set for the day after his arrival and his passage was already engaged. He had been warned that there were often unforseen delays, as the packets on the Ohio followed no regular schedule, but came and went "on the rise," as river conditions permitted. But luck was with him: plentiful rains had kept the water high http://www.skagitriverhistory.com/P... and mild weather had prevented the formation of the ice that, only the year before, had seriously interfered with winter travel. http://www.foggydoggy.com/TITANIC.j... The downpour which, like the soot, perpetually obscuring the atmosphere, had seemed to him so depressing, was actually a blessing in disguise; it enabled him to start on the next lap of his journey thirty-six hours after his arrival in Pittsburgh; and, as he had found little to do in the meanwhile, besides conscientiously visiting "The Point," Fort Duquesne and Mrs Morgan's Place, all seen through the gloom http://artchive.com/artchive/V/van_... which, apparently, never lifted, he was glad to be on his way. Sunday-Monday 19th & 20th December 1857
His first impression of river travel, however, proved no more rosy than those of the prosperous and vital city he was leaving with so few regrets. The waterfront was even more drab and dirty than the rest of Pittsburgh, http://www.halloweenproductions.com... the crowds even more clamourous and disreputable than those who thronged the Union Depot. http://www.metroactive.com/papers/c... ... |
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Mar-29-06 | | ckr: <SBC - return from Europe in 1859> Yes, I failed to grasp the finer points of the question. <Evelyn Wood recommends> just <absorb> the <key words> of the <phrase> - so I omitted 'chess' und kerput posting resulted :-) |
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Mar-30-06 | | DrKurtPhart: Tuesday 21st December 1857.
(Morphy was naturally in a hurry to get home for at least New Year's Eve. However...)FKP p196
It was snowing so hard when reaching Cincinnati that they didn't go ashore; but the next morning, (Wed 22nd) when they arrived at Louisville, though the air was brisk, the sun was shining brightly and the landing was full of interest to Paul. A dozen or more boats were drawn up at the waterfront and there were as many Irish and Dutch dockhands as Negroes.
~ ~ Paul had to wait until until Friday 24th for the next steamboat, the 'Diana', and barely made it that morning after a festive breakfast. He sat down on Christmas Day, and was handed a fancily printed and ornamented menu, at first glance rather resembling valentines. These were inscribed with no sentimental verses however; instead, a formidable array of dishes was listed, each with a separate heading: |
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Mar-30-06 | | DrKurtPhart: p199
Saturday 25th December 1857
Aboard Steamboat Diana
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MENU
DINNER. Classe Premiere.
SOUP
Piseseddel. no 1. Skild paddes soup. " 2. Soup Chifouade. " 3. Winesoup. " 4. Soup Paté d'Etoil. " 5. Mannagrynsuppe. " 6. Laugh Potage à la Brûnage. " 1. paralyse Côteletter by Russiske Ærter. " 2. The chicken Suprême by Tryffel. " 3.
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Hønsesalat garn. by Main thing. " 4. Baked Oxen - a la file. " 5. Kalve - The file with The asparagus green. " 6. Mobstersalat garnered by Edge and Anschovis. " 7. Kalve Frecandeau with Carottes - Blaze. " 8. Partridge with Winesauce. " ROAST
9. Turkeyflice Tryffel. " 10. Greenkokker à la Årovincial. " 11. Chicken - Hash by Edge Mollet. " 12. Kalkun-Blanche. " 13. Fish à la Marinade. " 14. Flyndre The nature. " 15. Brain - The file in Kastanier. " 16. Spækket Hare - The file by Edge à la Provincial. " 17. Lame stag in Spinat. " 18. Chickenfricasee by Risengryns - Table. " 19. Kalve - Table by Sukkerrøder. " 20. Birds Tongue à la Chafouin in Olivers. " 21. Crème-Bruno. " 22. Kaffe-Crème. " 23. Citroen-Crème. " 24. Blachmange Pig. " 25. Wine sauce-Gelee. " 26. Mandarin-Gelee, cream and jelly." 35. Mannagrynsuppe. " 36. Laugh Potatoes à la Brûnage. "37. Henburger in Chips. "38. Boiled Oafs and dripping. ENTREES
" 41. Parsley Côteletter by Ivan Ærter. " 42. The chicken Suprême in Tryffel. " 43. Honey worm salad garn. by Main thing. " 44. Bespoken Oxe - the file. " 45. Calf - The file in The asparagus green. " 46. Lobster ice-cream, garneret by Edge and Anschovis. " 47. Kalve Frecandeau by Carottes - Blazed. " 48. Partridge by Winesauce. "49. Kalkun farceret with Tryffel. " 50. Kronærtskokker à la Årovincial. " 51. Chicken - Hash by Edge Mollet. COLD DISHES
" 52. Turkey-Blachmange. " 53. Fish à la Marinade. " 54. Fly Fish Au Naturale. "55. Brain - In Chestnut. " 56. Rare Hair bit - The toupee by Edge à la Provincial. " 57. Wild Goose head jelly in Spinach sauce. " 58. Snail fricasee in Rice grains - Tabled. " 59. Kalve - Tabby a la Sorrento. " 60. Birds à la Chafouin in Olivers. " 61. Crème-Polska. " 62. Crème of Brute. " 63. Citrus-Crème. " 64. Blamache. " 65. Viin-Gelee. " 66. Appelsin-Gelee." 67. Citron-Gelee. " 68. Cocoa Boris-Ice cream. " 69. Vanilla-Ice cream. " 70. Fruit-Ice. " 71.Cold Zebra Stew GAME
"81. Zébré Perche Artichauts et Jeune Écraser "82. Rôtir En or Tomate Sauce Robe Pecota Sauvignon Blanchir 1809 * "83. Poivron Fumée Boeuf " 84. Lime "85. Récente Ma's Pôle "86. Grillé Portobella Pousser comme un champignon et Été Légumes BBQ Échalote Sauce Cerf "87. Sauter Vin Cave Fay Vignoble Cabernet 1798 * "88. Orange et Avocatier Salade Vive Pomme de terre Âpre Cilantro Pantscement * "89 Leg of Bear.
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Mar-30-06 | | DrKurtPhart: RELISHES
"18. Pêche et Cerises Gingembre Amande Glace Assorti Préparer Joli Doon Muscle Vin Glacier " Table Arrangements Pommade Damé Nappe Regal Socle Plaque et Porcelaine (rouge et or ) Vermeil Coutellerie Les Le président Villa cristal échantillon première ont par le Morgantown verre corporation pour Mme. PUDDINGS
"73. Niche dans Cristal Bougie Tenir à Pommade Cierge "92. Bougies Fleurir Arrangements Rouge Gerbera Pâquerettes (Ferrari) Rouge Floribunda Rosier ( roi ) et Verte Lierre dans Cristal Socle CAKES
Fonds Grain Bass Artichokes and Adolescent Crash Roast Gold Tomato Gravy Dress Pecota Sauvignon Bland Plug Smoke Beef File Fresh Corn Stake Broiled Portobella Mushroom soup and Green BBQ Bass Gravy Stag Blew up Wine Cellars Fay Vineyard Cabernet 1798 * CREAMS and JELLIES
(Orange and Avocado Salad Bright Delight) Potato Pungent Cilantro Band Support * DESSERT
"95. Fishes and Cherry Ginger Almond Ice, Assorted Seattle Bonnet Doon Muscle Wine Glacier " 1801 Record Arrangement Cream Damaskus Record cloth Regale Base Sheet and Chin (flushed and gold ) FRUIT
Vermin Flatware Chairperson drove Kennel of 1836 Crystal Light Care for Cream Taper Candlestick Bloom Arrangement Flushed Sheaf Nymph Scrap iron. "93. Flushed Floribunda Rose (king) and Green Ivy at Crystal Base Fund. Supportere votre local clochards. "91. Coffee, tea, brandy, cigars. http://www.hsn.com/cnt/prod/default... ~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~*~**~**~*~***~*~*~*~*~*
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p201
"It's all I can do to read through it," Paul said, laying the fantastic sheets down on the table again. "I was brought up on Creole cooking, which no one ever called light! I think I'll just settle for oyster soup, turkey and plum pudding - all appropriate." Then he remembered his phenomenal memory. * Hwsaoht * He was so ahead of his time
and remembered his watch was gaining between a few to several seconds a month, even though he had inspected it and procaimed it 100% working machinery.
"What, no boar's head with apple jelly, no wild goose a l'Aberdeen, no fanchonetts, no orange flower cream, no macaroons with silver web!" said one of the merry company... p202
The Diana reached Memphis about two in the morning on Wednesday December 29th and a number of her passengers disembarked there, The weather was mild now, the sun bright; the region of cotton fields had been reached and, occasionally, planters' spacious houses and clusters of Negro huts could be seen on either side of the river. At midmorning on the Friday 31st December 1857, the Diana passed Vicksburg and later stopped at a wood yard to take on fuel, which caused a considerable delay. Well, so Paul would not get home to celebrate New Year's Eve, as he had hoped. |
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Mar-30-06 | | scrambler: Understanding the insane mind of a former chess genius. First What is paranoia?
<Being paranoid means being suspicious without reason, and believing that others are trying to harm you in some way. Everyone can be mistrustful at times, particularly if life hasn’t treated him or her well. But people who are prone to paranoia always dread some forthcoming attack or betrayal. They are forever anticipating that something awful will happen, and trying to second-guess what their adversaries might do. They focus on their fears for the future, and take little account of the majority of times when the past has proved them wrong.<< WOW!! This sounds exactly how chessplayers are required to think during a chess game. You can't trust your opponent because He or She IS OUT TO GET YOU,>> In extreme forms, they can't distinguish reality from fantasy. (Psychiatrists may refer to this as a psychosis, and talk about people having delusions.) It can be a very isolating condition, because people feel they can’t depend on anybody. They may feel angry, fearful, guilt-ridden, suspicious, vengeful and excluded, and may become very depressed, as a result.> But just what pushed Morphy from reality into fantasy and delusions. Possiblities: 1.Hereditary, 2.War, 3.Extreme frustation,4. Diet: Eating or drinking something that over time started affecting his mental state. 5.Emotional stress either from the death or other loss of someone close. 6. Stress? in Morphy's case what?,. Many or even one particular thing can degrade a persons mind,in Morphy's case what happened? |
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Mar-31-06 | | mark of the mushroom: I'm curious. Did the Morphy family home have indoor plumbing at that time? |
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Mar-31-06 | | scrambler: mark of the mushroom I dont know ask DrkurtPhart. |
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Mar-31-06 | | DrKurtPhart: http://www.hgghh.org/g_house/bath.htm
http://www.hgghh.org/tour_gallier.htm
The distance from Vicksburg to New Orleans was 294Mi. / 470Km. By river, longer by more than a noticeable difference no doubt. Paul had now been travelling 17 days, which was still space-age for them, as it took months and years to get someplace before the, then relatively recent arrival of the railroad and steamboat. Morphy himself had been compared, in more modern day appraisals, as being like a stealth bomber in an age of hot air balloons. Rail. 'Silver Palace.' NY - Harrisburg(dinner) - Altoona (supper) Pittsburgh. Boat. 'Fremont.' - Cincinatti- Louisville. change boat(festive breakfast and christmas dinner). 'Diana' Vicksburg - NO. Morphy had no doubt calculated that since Louisville-Memphis, a distance of about 380 miles, took from Friday 24th December until about 2 in the morning of the Wednesday 29th, nearly six full days. about 60 or so miles a day. (From a "late festive breakfast" on the Friday morning of 24th until the regrettably early 2am the following Wednesday morning.) Memphis-Viksburg was about 116 Mi. 410 altogether so it would take a couple of days, give or take, to make New Orleans, as he watched Viksburg pass by, finding him at the dock in NO, hopefully around midday/afternoon on the Sunday, 2nd January 1858, blissfully unaware of all that was going to happen to him in the remaining 363 days ahead, and beyond, when he would have to put up with being like a huge fiery Comet that would arrive and strike, obliterating everything in the old world, with his charming agreeable manner and exquisite lethal attacks on all who dared to face and cross him. He was to be the unwilling retiring Caesar, Alexander and Napoleon of his time, developing a strange and unusual aversion for all the accolades and adoration connected to it, and unfotunately also being subject to the more unpleasant side of lesser-beings jealousy, resentment and mean-spirited envy in certain known quarters. http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Apoca... Well, the short story is he got home a couple of days later, being met at the wharf according to FKP by: p205
: his grandfather, leaning on his cane, but indignantly shaking off tender of other support; his uncle Charles ~ brother Edward, his brother-in-law John Sybrandt, his cousin Edgar Hincks and his friend Charles de Maurian ~ (and a cast of other thousands that couldn't wait but * "stormed up the gangplank, swarming all over it even before it was in place" followed by wringings of hand, clappings of shoulder,seizings of arm, complete with champagne to welcome the conquering hero home.) *FKP
** Frances Keyes Parker's book is widely acknowledged as being largely fictional and should not be taken as the gospel truth as it can be factually challenging, as <SBC>points out where she, (FKP) departs from again reality by having Paul sail (he was by all accounts a terrible sailor) to New York, by way of Havana, on his way to attend the Congress, Nov 1857, when he actually travelled upriver and by rail. It's probably a long story. end of message |
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Apr-02-06 | | SBC: . Morphy and Madness:
<BishopBerkeley> offered me some (much needed) insight into a man named Dr. Albert Ernest Jones. For our purposes, Ernest Jones wrote an article entitled, "The Problem of Paul Morphy." Born 1/1/1879 in Wales and died 2/1/1958, Jones became a psychologist. He learned to converse in German simply to better understand Sigmund Freud and became Freud's leading adherent. He founded both the British Psycho-Analytical Society and the The International Journal of Psychoanalysis (where his article on Morphy appeared in January 1931). Jones became Freud's official biographer (and for a long time was the only person allowed access to the Freud archives). According to <BishopBerkeley> whom I will shamelessly quote here: "He was not only Freud's primary biographer, but he was also a practitioner of Freudian psychoanalysis in the more strict Freudian tradition. (Freud had trouble keeping his more brilliant associates "in the fold" of psychoanalysis: among the more celebrated "heretics" from his system were Alfred Adler and Carl Gustav Jung. Jones appears to have been much better behaved!): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest... As you may know, Freud had published a psychoanalysis of Woodrow Wilson
("Thomas Woodrow Wilson: A psychological Study"), and Ernest Jones had published a psychoanalysis of Shakespeare's Hamlet character (showing that psychoanalysis is so powerful it can be extended to fictional characters as well ! Much text of his 1910 article on Hamlet is available here in a page-by-page format: http://www.clicknotes.com/jones/wel... ). So both men were comfortable psychoanalyzing people they had never met. No surprise then that Jones should be drawn to the cryptic figure of Paul Morphy." __________
You can read Ernest Jones' article, "The Problem of Paul Morphy" here:
http://batgirl.atspace.com/Jones.html
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Apr-02-06 | | SBC: <DrKurtPhart>
As a little-known side-note: the ever-name-shifting Frances Keyes Parker, had written about a young lady (Madame X?) who refused young Paul's marriage proposal on the premise of never marrying a mere chess-player. As it turns out, this young lady, whose name, as well as her own name, Frances Keyes Parker chose to keep secret, while she did in fact refuse to marry a mere chess-player, ended up winning the hand of Wilbur Lefromage, the world champion Tiddley-Winks Champion. Tiddley-Winks was a relatively new game that was introduced during the Great Exposition at London in 1851 - the same time as the first International Chess Tournament was taking place (and Howard Staunton was losing his rook-spotted shirt). Wibur Lefromage routinely offered odds of a half-tiddle and sometimes even a full wink. |
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Apr-02-06 | | SBC: <BishopBerkeley>
<Ernest Jones had published a psychoanalysis of Shakespeare's Hamlet character (showing that psychoanalysis is so powerful it can be extended to fictional characters as well !> It's not documented anywhere, but rumor has it that Jones also psycho-analyzed Bruno, his neighbor's dog; Walt Disney's Steamboat Willie; and his mother's favorite lounge chair. |
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Apr-02-06 | | Jim Bartle: One of my college professors made in effect a psychological analysis of "Huckleberry Finn." |
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(: ♗ Bishop Berkeley ♗ :)
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Apr-02-06 | | SBC: <BishopBerkeley>
<Lemon Pledge is much more effective> Blind Lemon Jefferson isn't so bad either, but should be applied in arpeggio fashion with a ragtime applicator. |
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Apr-02-06 | | talisman: I don't know what this means but sons of oldtimers here remember stories of paul walking everyday(having conversations w/ himself). |
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Apr-03-06 | | Calli: <talisman> "I don't know what this means but sons of oldtimers here remember stories of paul walking everyday(having conversations w/ himself)" It means they are 125 years old if their fathers observed Morphy. |
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Apr-03-06 | | talisman: <Calli> my great grandfather |
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Apr-03-06 | | midknightblue: <Scrambler> not sure who you quoted about paranoia but that was an excellent description. Incidentally paranoia is not uncommon. More importantly, it is usually not explained as simply being caused by what we eat or drink or what we breath. It would be nice if we could pinpoint the cause of all mental illness in such a way, because then it could be eliminated. Unfortunately, the majority of mental illness is much more complex, with some factors including family hx (i.e. genetics) and social factors as well. Of course disease (such as syphilis) and drugs or alcohol can also contribute or even be the primary factor. |
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