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Jul-26-25
 | | Sally Simpson: <Hi HealTheWorld> Got it. The Nimzovitch books were written in German but used English descriptive notation
For instance 2...N-QB3 (English descriptive) and not 2...S-DL3 (German descriptive.) or algebraic
I had no idea. |
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Jul-26-25 | | stone free or die: Wait a minute.
Is this another prank by <Sally>, now abetted by <HTW>? The original <Mein System> was not published in English descriptive, surely. . |
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Jul-26-25
 | | Sally Simpson: <Hi Stone>
I thought not but <HTW> seems sure. I hope so, it's a good chess trivia question. |
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Jul-26-25 | | stone free or die: Sally, what does <I hope so> mean? I.e. you hope what? . |
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Jul-26-25 | | stone free or die: https://www.abebooks.com/first-edit... |
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Jul-26-25
 | | Sally Simpson: <Stone Free>
I hope <HTW> is not mistaken. A handful of us enjoy setting teasing trivia question on the ECF. I've just set them; 'What Beatles song has a chess move in the title?' (The Knight b4) "Who wrote books in German using English descriptive?" will give me loads of forum cred. |
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Jul-26-25 | | stone free or die: Sally - just be sure not to look at the link given above then and you'll be bliss. |
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Jul-27-25
 | | Sally Simpson: <Hi Stone Free> <HTW> does not mention what book it was. It could have been other publications that were collected, bound into a hardback book and sold to their grandfather from a library. HTW states they can only read descriptive and want people to post in descriptive. This site and it's members (renown for being polite, caring and obliging) should comply with this request.
I also think an option to view games in descriptive notation should be taken into consideration. |
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Jul-27-25 | | stone free or die: <<Sally> - "Who wrote books in German using English descriptive?" will give me loads of forum cred.> This is a classic practical joker Sally-ism.
But the answer is definitely not Nimzowitsch.
<HTW states they can only read descriptive and want people to post in descriptive. This site and it's members (renown for being polite, caring and obliging) should comply with this request.> I don't think so.
(<HTW> would be far better served learning algebraic - it's not hard at all, in fact, it's a 5-minute task, if that) <I also think an option to view games in descriptive notation should be taken into consideration.> Another example of Sally's sense of humor?! |
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Jul-27-25 | | stone free or die: https://chess.stackexchange.com/que... |
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Jul-27-25
 | | Sally Simpson: How come every time I post an improvement for this site and someone does not agree then it's a joke. There is an algebraic too descriptive convertor out there. A 10 minute job (one cigarette and a cup of coffee) to code it in and once again this place will be the prime chess site on the whole world wide web. (it lost that status according to wiki on the 28th January 2014 though it does not say why...I guess that was probably the date they allowed users access to the onsite Stockfish.) |
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Jul-27-25 | | stone free or die: <<Sally> There is an algebraic too descriptive convertor out there. > Yes, it's called <chessgames.com>! |
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Jul-29-25
 | | Sally Simpson: <Hi Stone free> No, here we do descriptive to algebraic. I want us to have the option of seeing the game in descriptive.
In a large number of cases, it first appeared in print in descriptive. I think, if we are truly aiming for historical accuracy it should be so. |
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Jul-29-25 | | stone free or die: It was a Sally-style joke - ha!
(The description part being the voluminous posts we're able to generate here on <CG>) |
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Jul-29-25
 | | Sally Simpson: <Hi Stone Free> It is a half and half joke. But <HTW> did request we go descriptive in posts and I was thinking how to convert the PGN viewer to descriptive.
It would be a rather quaint feature and I'm sure unique. Now instead of wondering what I'm posting how about using your research skills and find the moves to the game (Vladimir) Panfilov - Novgenin ( or Novozenjin ) 1975, that is all we know, though in some cases the names have been reversed. Panfilov - Novgenin, 1975 in '40 lessons' (pub 1984) by Kostyev and yet we see Novozenjin v Panfilov, Vladimir 1975 at https://allanbeardsworth.com/2017/0... White to play.
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(Kostyev has black Queens on a1 and d1) |
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Jul-29-25 | | stone free or die: Hi <Sally> - got a few errands to run soon, but so noted. Let's see if I can get to it later! |
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Jul-29-25 | | stone free or die: <<Sally> I think, if we are truly aiming for historical accuracy it should be so.> OK, since you mentioned this I'll get a note of my own in... When I transcribe a game into my personal db, I normally don't make a note of the notation used, as it's readily apparent from the source (which is always included, of course). But I will make a note, via a <Source Note> tag if the notation is ambiguous or needs correction - often including the move text verbatim. So yes, I speak, and sometimes, use descriptive notation myself. Time and place for everything, you know.
(And a place for everything, and everything in its place!) |
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Jul-29-25 | | stone free or die: (Though apparently not for, misplaced commas!) |
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Jul-29-25 | | Petrosianic: <Sally Simpson>: <There is an algebraic too descriptive convertor out there.> I'm actually perversely interested in finding a chess program that recognizes Descriptive Notation. I THINK Chessmaster 3000 can handle it, but when I tried to load it up in Dosbox, it was smart enough to know that my virtual Drive A wasn't a real floppy drive. I think to use that I'll have to copy the program onto four physical floppies and install it. I think Chessmaster 6000 can use Descriptive, but I also think it only works in Windows 9x. I have Windows 98 loaded in Windows VirtualPC, and might try that, and if it doesn't work, will have to try it on a real Win98 system. The older programs I've looked at have all been algebraic. I tried Psion Chess, from the mid 80's, and it's too simple to know more than one notation. |
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Jul-29-25 | | Petrosianic: Confirmed, Chessmaster 3000 does handle Descriptive (6000 doesn't), but even using physical floppy disks, the program knows they aren't originals. I know I had a legitimate copy of this program at one point, and maybe still do. The problem is it was on 5 1/4" floppy disks. I've got one system system with a 5 1/4" floppy drive, which hasn't been booted in years. If it still works, it would only be a minor headache to set it up. If it doesn't, I'd have to take a 5 1/4" floppy off the shelf, take the CD drive out of a 98 system, install the floppy, hope I still had a 5 1/4" floppy cable, and try to install the program that way. The first step would be confirming that I still have the original program disks. If I can do it, it would be worth it, just to be able to take screenshots of a chess program that used Descriptive. But I think I might scour the Abandonware sites before going to all that trouble. |
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Jul-29-25 | | stone free or die: <Petrosianic> Before going to all that trouble you could try this (it's an online converter): https://marianogappa.github.io/osti... https://www.chess.com/forum/view/ge... |
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Jul-29-25 | | Petrosianic: Addenda: No need to break out the antiques. Myabandonware.com has a version of Chessmaster 3000 that works fine in Dosbox, and it does use Descriptive. |
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Jul-29-25 | | Petrosianic: <stone free or die: <Petrosianic> Before going to all that trouble you could try this (it's an online converter):> Thanks, this looks pretty cool. I've never heard of Smith notation, but it looks like coordinate notation with only minor differences. One notatikon I've never seen anywhere except in very old USCF rulebooks is Uedemann Notation, which was like Postal Notation, except every square had a two-letter name. Like e2-e4 e7-e5 would be DOGO LOHO, or some such in Uedemann. I never saw it used anywhere, I think it was only meant for telegraph. And when I looked it up, I found it had been invented in the 1880's, so I have no idea why it was still in rulebooks in the 1970's. |
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Jul-30-25 | | stone free or die: I wasn't familiar with Smith notation either - which adds the captured piece in the notation. From doing chess research I've seen Uedemann notation, but thankfully was able to just skip over it. Maybe FAX did it in, circa 1970. |
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Jul-30-25
 | | Sally Simpson: In the 80's played for Scotland in Corres Chess against various countries. As you can imagine someone with my OTB gambling style did not do too well - I did win one game! It was a swindle. I'm a bit reluctant to post it because my opponents name is 'Parzer' and you can just imagine what the wits here will do with that. However I think it may be popping up in a 'swindles book' the author has been in touch, so I'll post it later on today. They system they used in that international event was Numeric Notation (1.e4 = 1.5254) |
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