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Vladimir Kramnik
Kramnik 
Photograph copyright © 2007 Milan Kovacs (www.milankovacs.com)  

Number of games in database: 3,249
Years covered: 1984 to 2024
Highest rating achieved in database: 2817
Overall record: +549 -171 =959 (61.3%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 1570 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 English (154) 
    A15 A14 A17 A13 A16
 Sicilian (147) 
    B90 B33 B30 B92 B52
 Queen's Pawn Game (109) 
    D02 A46 E10 D05 D00
 King's Indian (106) 
    E97 E92 E94 E91 E81
 Reti System (101) 
    A04 A06 A05
 Slav (99) 
    D17 D15 D11 D18 D12
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (270) 
    B33 B30 B31 B62 B65
 Ruy Lopez (182) 
    C67 C65 C84 C78 C95
 Queen's Gambit Declined (123) 
    D37 D35 D38 D39 D31
 Semi-Slav (110) 
    D45 D43 D47 D44 D48
 Petrov (102) 
    C42 C43
 Nimzo Indian (81) 
    E32 E21 E34 E54 E46
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kramnik vs Leko, 2004 1-0
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Gelfand vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 1-0
   Ivanchuk vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000 1-0
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004 0-1
   Kramnik vs Anand, 2001 1-0
   Topalov vs Kramnik, 1995 0-1
   Kramnik vs Morozevich, 2007 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999)
   Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000)
   Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004)
   Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006)
   World Championship Tournament (2007)
   Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   New York PCA/Intel-GP (1994)
   Belgrade Investbank (1995)
   Hoogovens Group A (1998)
   Amber Blindfold (2003)
   Dortmund Sparkassen (2004)
   16th Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2007)
   Dortmund Open-A (1992)
   World Cup (2013)
   Qatar Masters (2014)
   Tata Steel Masters (2018)
   Sao Paulo Latin American Cup Open (1991)
   Legends of Chess (2020)
   World Youth U26 Team Championship (1991)
   Biel Interzonal (1993)
   Manila Olympiad (1992)

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VLADIMIR KRAMNIK
(born Jun-25-1975, 49 years old) Russia
PRONUNCIATION:
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Former World Champion - and former top ranked player in the world - Vladimir Borisovich Kramnik was born in Tuapse, on the shores of the Black Sea, on June 25, 1975. As a child, Vladimir Kramnik studied in the chess school established by Mikhail Botvinnik. In 2000, he won the Classical World Championship from Garry Kasparov, then won the unified title when he defeated Veselin Topalov in 2006 to become the 14th undisputed World Champion. Kramnik relinquished the title in 2007 to his successor, the 15th undisputed (and now former) World Champion, Viswanathan Anand.

Championships

<Age> In 1991, Kramnik won the World Under 18 Championship in Guarapuava, Brazil.

<National> Kramnik finished equal first in the 1990 RSFSR (Russian) Championship in Kuibyshev, Russia, but placed second on tiebreak, behind Andrei Kharlov. He came third ex aequo in the Russian Championship Superfinal (2013) after a last round battle with Ian Nepomniachtchi for a share of first and the possibility of the title for the first time. However, he lost the game and scored 5.5/9.

<World> Kramnik's early attempts at storming the citadel of the World Championship met with mixed results. In 1994, he lost a Candidates quarter finals match for the PCA championship to Gata Kamsky by 1½-4½, and a few months later he lost a Candidates semi-finals match for the FIDE championship to Boris Gelfand by 3½-4½. In 1998, Kramnik was defeated by Alexey Shirov by 3½-5½ in the Candidates match held in Cazorla to determine the right to play Garry Kasparov for the Classical World Chess Championship. In 1999, Kramnik lost in the quarterfinals of the FIDE knockout championship in Las Vegas to Michael Adams by 2-4, including the 4 game rapid play-off.

Although Shirov had defeated Kramnik for the right to challenge Kasparov, suitable sponsorship was not found for a Kasparov-Shirov match, and it never took place. In 2000, however, sponsorship became available for a Kasparov-Kramnik match instead. This meant that Kramnik was the first player since 1935 - when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger - to play a world championship match without qualifying. Kramnik reached the pinnacle by defeating long-time champion Kasparov in the Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000) in London by the score of 8½ to 6½ (+2 =13 -0) without losing a game, becoming the next Classical World Champion in the line that started from Wilhelm Steinitz. It was the first time since the Lasker - Capablanca World Championship Match (1921) that the defending champion had lost a match without winning a game and it was also the first time Kasparov had lost a World Championship match. Kasparov said of Kramnik that: <"He is the hardest player to beat in the world.">

In 2004, Kramnik successfully defended his title as Classical World Chess Champion against challenger Peter Leko at Brissago, Switzerland, by drawing the Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004) in the last game. Lékó was leading the 14-game match until the final game, which Kramnik won, thus forcing a 7 - 7 draw and ensuring that Kramnik remained world champion. Because of the drawn result, the prize fund of 1 million Swiss francs was split between the two players.

Kramnik refused to participate at the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005), but indicated his willingness to play a match against the winner to unify the world championship. His next title defence in 2006, therefore, was a reunification match with the new FIDE world title holder from the 2005 tournament, Veselin Topalov. The $1 million Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) was played in Elista, Kalmykia from September 21 to October 13 and after controversially forfeiting the fifth game, Kramnik won the rapid game playoff by 2½ -1½ after the classical games were tied 6-6, thereby becoming the first undisputed unified World Chess Champion since the 1993 split. In the following year, Kramnik lost the unified world title when he finished second to Viswanathan Anand at the Mexico City World Championship Tournament (2007). In October 2008, Kramnik exercised his entitlement to a rematch as a challenger to World Champion Anand in Bonn, Germany, but lost the Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008) match by 4½ to 6½ (+1 =7 -3).

Kramnik's tournament performances in 2009 (see below) raised his rating (average of July 2009 and January 2010 ratings) sufficiently to qualify him for the World Championship Candidates (2011). In the first round he beat Teimour Radjabov by the narrowest of margins*: after tieing the classical games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), he won the blitz playoff by 2.5-1.5 (+2 =1 -1) to move to the semi final match against Alexander Grischuk, which he lost 1.5-0.5 (=1 -1) in the blitz tiebreaker after he drew the classical games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4) and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4), thereby eliminating him from the contest. Participating in the World Championship Candidates (2013) on the basis of his rating, Kramnik came =1st with Magnus Carlsen on 8.5/13 after both lost their last round games. As the first tiebreaker (individual score against the other player in the tournament) left them level, the second tiebreaker (greater number of wins in the tournament) relegated Kramnik to second place due to scoring four wins to Carlsen's five.

Kramnik was seeded directly into the World Championship Candidates (2014), as he met the pre-condition that he participate in the World Cup (2013). During the Cup, he defeated Zambian IM Gillan Bwalya in the first round, compatriot GM Mikhail Kobalia in the second round, Ukrainian GM Alexander Areshchenko in the third round, veteran Ukrainian GM and twice former Candidate Vasyl Ivanchuk in the Round of 16 (round four), his third Ukrainian opponent in the shape of GM Anton Korobov in the quarter final (round five), one of the wildcards of the event, French GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave match in the semi final (round 6) before defeating compatriot GM Dmitry Andreikin in the final by 2.5-1.5 (+1 =3). His win also guaranteed qualification in the World Cup 2015, although he would qualify by rating alone. At the Candidates in March 2014, he placed 3rd with 7/14 behind Anand and Karjakin.

He qualified by rating to play in the World Cup (2015) where he met and defeated Peruvian Deysi Estela Cori Tello and Cuban GM Lazaro Bruzon Batista in the first two rounds to advance to the third round where he lost to Dmitry Andreikin in the first set of rapid game tiebreakers, thereby bowing out of the event.

Tournaments

Kramnik won Chalkidiki 1992 with 7.5/11, and in 1993, he played in Linares, finishing fifth and defeating the then world number three, Vasyl Ivanchuk. Following some solid results in the interim which resulted in him winning the 1994 PCA Intel Grand Prix, major tournament triumphs were soon to follow, such as Dortmund 1995, Horgen 1995, Belgrade 1995, =1st in Dos Hermanas in 1996 and 1997, =1st in Tilburg 1997 (8/11). Dortmund became a favourite stop, as Kramnik has gone on to win nine more times in 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, Dortmund Sparkassen (2006), Dortmund Sparkassen (2007), Dortmund Sparkassen (2009) and Dortmund Sparkassen (2011), as either equal or clear first; in the 2011 edition of the event he won by 1.5 points despite losing in the last round. In 2000, Kramnik won his first Linares tournament, completing his set of victories in all three of chess' "triple crown" events: Corus, Linares, and Dortmund. Kramnik later captured additional Linares victories in Linares (2003) (shared) and Linares (2004) (outright). He won the Tal Memorial (2007) with 6.5/9, 1.5 ahead of Shirov. Kramnik had exceptionally good results in 2009, winning once again in Dortmund and then winning the Category 21 (average ELO = 2763) Tal Memorial (2009) in Moscow with 6/9 and a TPR of 2883. At the time, the average ELO rating of the field made it the strongest tournament in history. He also participated in the London Chess Classic (2009) in December, finishing second to Magnus Carlsen. These magnificent results qualified him for the 2011 Candidates on the basis of his boosted ratings. Kramnik began 2010 at Corus Group A (2010) in the Netherlands, during which he defeated new world number-one Carlsen with the Black pieces in their head-to-head encounter, ending Carlsen's 36-match unbeaten streak. A late loss to Anand knocked him out of first place, and Kramnik finished with 8/13, tying for second place with Shirov behind Carlsen's 8½ points. He came 2nd in the preliminary Shanghai Masters (2010) to qualify for the Grand Slam Chess Final (2010) against Carlsen and Anand, who had pre-qualified. He then won at Bilbao with +2 -0 =4 over world champion Anand, then-world number one Magnus Carlsen, and Shirov. The 2009 Tal Memorial and the Grand Slam Final at Bilbao were the most powerful tournaments (in ratings terms) ever staged. In late 2011, he easily won the 15th Unive (Crown Group) (2011) with 4.5/6 and a TPR of 2903 and finished the year with outright first at the London Chess Classic (2011) with +4 -0 =4 and a TPR of 2934, recovering ground lost following a mediocre performance in the Tal Memorial (2011) where he failed to win a game. In June 2012, he placed =4th at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2012), with 4.5/9 and in July 2012, =3rd (4th on tiebreak) at the category 19 Dortmund Sparkassen (2012) tournament. Kramnik finished 2012 with a surge, placing 2nd at the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Magnus Carlsen, scoring 6/8 (16 points in the 3-1-0 scoring system used in the event) and a TPR of 2937 to Carlsen's 2994.

His final training preparation for the Candidates tournament in March at the category 21 Zurich Chess Challenge (2013), was less than completely successful in terms of results (2.5/6), drawing five and losing one to Anand, although it seemed to contribute to his game fitness at the Candidates as he placed second by the narrowest of margins, scoring equal to Carlsen who won the event and the right to challenge Anand for the World Championship. He placed =4th with 4.5/9, a point behind the winner, in a low scoring Alekhine Memorial (2013) and then had one of his worse ever results at the Tal Memorial (2013), coming last with 3/9 (+0 -3 =6). However, he returned to form in the Dortmund Sparkassen (2013), placing outright second behind Adams, scoring 6.5/9, jointly dominating the category 19 field to the extent that no other player scored better than 50%. In November 2014, Kramnik competed at the category 20 Petrosian Memorial (2014), and was outright second behind Alexander Grischuk with 4.5/7, signalling a mild return to form after a slump that saw him exit the world's top 10 for the first time since he entered the top 10 in January 1993. There followed 2nd at the powerful Qatar Masters (2014), with 7/9, and =1st at the London Chess Classic (2014).

2015 saw Kramnik starting his competitive year by placing outright 3rd behind the winner Anand and runner-up Hikaru Nakamura, ahead of Sergey Karjakin, Levon Aronian and Fabiano Caruana respectively, in the standard section of the RR category 22 Zurich Chess Challenge (2015). He won the final section of the Zurich event, namely the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2015), but the added points were insufficient to give him the overall lead and he finished with 3rd prize behind Nakamura and Anand respectively. A relatively poor performance at the Gashimov Memorial (2015) where he scored only 4/9 was followed by a solid performance at the Russian Premier League 2015 (see below) and a below average 3.5/7 for fourth place at the annual Dortmund Sparkassen (2015). He saw out the year with equal third, scoring 6.5/9 at the powerful Qatar Masters (2015), half a point behind the joint leaders Magnus Carlsen and the rising Chinese star Yangyi Yu. Kramnik started 2016 with equal third on 5/9 at the Norway Chess (2016) behind Carlsen and Aronian respectively after also coming third in the preliminary Norway Chess (Blitz) (2016) used to determine the draw. Several months later in July he placed =2nd (with 4/7) behind Vachier-Lagrave at Dortmund Sparkassen (2016). Kramnik's year in standard time chess finished with a reasonably efficacious equal third at the London Chess Classic (2016), a point behind the winner Wesley So.

In April 2017, Kramnik was second on tiebreak ahead of co-runners up Wesley So and Veselin Topalov at the category 21 Gashimov Memorial (2017), scoring 5/9, half a point behind the winner Shakhriyar Mamedyarov. Two months later he again placed equal second, this time at the category 22 Norway Chess (2017), scoring 5/9 alongside Hikaru Nakamura, a point behind the winner Levon Aronian.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Kramnik has won three team and and individual gold medals at the Olympiads as well as two team silvers. He played in the gold medal winning Russian teams in the Manila 1992, Moscow 1994 and Yerevan 1996 Olympiads, his first gold medal being awarded to him as an untitled 16 year old in 1992 when he scored eight wins, one draw, and no losses to record a remarkable TPR of 2958. In 1994, he came fifth on the second board with 8/11 and a 2727 TPR. In 1996, he scored a relatively meagre 4.5/9 on the second board. He did not participate in any more Olympiads until Turin Olympiad (2006) in Turin, when he again won a gold medal with overall best performance on the top board with 6.5/9 (2847 TPR). In the Dresden Olympiad (2008) in Dresden, he scored 5/9 on top board and a 2735 TPR. Kramnik played board one for the silver medal winning Russian team in the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad (2010) in Khanty-Mansiysk, coming fifth with a scored of 5.5/9, winning 2 and drawing 7 with a TPR of 2794. At the Istanbul Olympiad (2012) held in Istanbul, he again played top board scoring 5/9 and coming 7th on that board, leading his team to another silver medal. At the Tromso Olympiad (2014), he again played board 1 for Russia. He played board two for Russia in the Baku Olympiad (2016), scoring individual gold for his board, and team bronze with his countrymen.

<National Team Events> In 1991, 2490-rated FM Kramnik represented Russia on board 2 at the World U26 Championship played at Maringá; with a perfect score of 6/6 he helped Russia to win gold, and won individual gold for his performance. He played in the European Team Championships on one occasion, in 1992, when the then FM was rated 2590. Again representing Russia, this time on board 3, he helped his team to win gold with a 6/7 effort, and won individual gold for board 3 as well as a gold medal for the best rating performance at the event, that being a 2863 performance, ahead of Kasparov's 2809 performance that won rating silver. That same year (1992), he also played on the USSR team against the Rest of the World. He played for Russia twice in the World Team Championship, in 1993 and 2013. On the first occasion, he lead his country to a bronze medal, and on the second occasion - at the World Team Championship (2013) - to a gold medal.

<European Club Cup> Kramnik participated in the European Club Cup between 1995 and 1999 inclusive, in 2005 and again in 2015 and 2016. He started off playing board one with SV Empor Berlin in 1992 and 1993, moved on to Sberbank-Tatarstan Kazan in 1994 where he helped the club to bronze, then played board one with the powerful Agrouniverzal Zemun team in 1998 and 1999, winning team silver in 1999. Since then, he played for NAO Paris in 2005, winning team bronze and for the Siberia Novosibirsk team in the European Club Cup (2015) and European Club Cup (2016) winning team gold in 2015 as well as an individual gold for board 1.

At the Russian Team Championship (2015), Kramnik played board 1 for Siberia Novosibirsk, winning gold for that board; his effort also helped his team to win gold. He repeated his individual effort in the Russian Team Championship (2016), this time helping his team to a bronze medal in the double round robin 5-team contest.

Matches

In 2004, he won a simul against the German National Team 2½:1½.

In October 2002, Kramnik played an eight game match against Deep Fritz (Computer) in the Brains in Bahrain (2002) match, drawing 4-4 after leading 3-1. In 2006 the German organization Universal Event Promotion (UEP) staged a return match of six games between Kramnik and Deep Fritz in Bonn, which Kramnik lost, +0 -2 =4.

In April 2012, Kramnik and Levon Aronian played, as part of their preparation for the 2012 Candidates Tournament, a six-game training match in Zurich. The Kramnik - Aronian (2012) match was drawn 3-3 (+1 -1 =4). From late November to early December 2016, he played a rapid and blitz match against Yifan Hou at the Kings Tournament in Romania, winning both by significant margins, the rapid by 4.5-0.5 and the latter by 6/9 (+5 -3 =2).

Rapids

Kramnik has been an excellent and consistent performer at rapid and blindfold play. He won or shared the overall lead at Amber in 1996 (outright overall 1st), 1998 (=1st with Shirov with 15/22), 1999 Monaco (14½/22), 2001 (=1st with Topalov with 15/22), 2004 (=1st with Morozevich with 14.5/22), and 2007 (outright overall first with 15½/22). He also won the 2001 rapid play match against Lékó by 7-5, drew the 2001 rapid play Botvinnik Memorial match with Kasparov 3:3 and the 2001 rapid play match against Anand 5:5, lost the 2002 Match Advanced Chess Kramnik vs. Anand (Leon) 3½:2½, was runner up to Anand in the Cap D'Agde FRA (2003), won the 2009 Zurich Champions Rapid (2009) with 5/7 and shared 1st in the 2010 President's Cup in Baku with 5/7. In tandem with the London Classic 2014, Kramnik came =1st in the blitz event and =3rd in the rapid play open.

Kramnik came in equal 5th with 10/15 in the World Rapid Championship (2015), 1.5 points behind the winner Carlsen, and half a point behind the joint runners up Nepomniachtchi, Radjabov and Leinier Dominguez Perez. He followed up the next day with equal second alongside Vachier-Lagrave scoring 15/21, half a point behind the outright winner Alexander Grischuk at the World Blitz Championship (2015).

Ratings

Kramnik entered the top 100 in January 1992 and has remained there since that time. He rose rapidly in the rankings such that a year later in January 1993, he entered the top 10 where he has been ensconced since, apart from a few months in 2014. Yet during that time he made it to world #1 in only two rating periods.

In January 1996, Kramnik became the world top rated player. Although he had the same FIDE rating as Kasparov (2775), He became number one by having played more games during the rating period in question. He became the youngest ever to reach world number-one, breaking Kasparov's record; this record would stand for 14 years until being broken by Magnus Carlsen in January 2010.

Ironically, during his reign as world champion, Kramnik never regained the world number-one ranking, doing so only in January 2008 after he had lost the title to Viswanathan Anand. As in 1996, Kramnik had the same FIDE rating as Anand (2799) but became number-one due to more games played within the rating period. Kramnik's 12 years between world-number one rankings is the longest since the inception of the FIDE ranking system in 1971.

In July 1993 soon after his 18th birthday, he crossed 2700 for the first time and has remained in the 2700+ rating ever since. In April 2001, he became the second of only eight chess players to have reached a rating of 2800 (the first being Kasparov, followed by Anand, Topalov, Carlsen, Aronian, Caruana and Grischuk). Kramnik's highest standard rating to date is 2811 achieved in May 2013 when he was ranked #3 in the world.

Other

In 1995, Kramnik served as a second for Kasparov during the latter's successful defence of his Classical World Chess Championship against Anand, and in an ironic counter point in 2010 he served as a second for Anand during the World Champion's successful defence against Topalov.

Kramnik has a form of arthritis called ankylosing spondylitis. In January 2006, Kramnik announced that he would miss the Corus Group A (2006) to seek treatment for this condition. He returned from treatment in June 2006, playing in the 37th Chess Olympiad, winning gold by top scoring on the top board. Kramnik's performance in winning the Classical World Championship in 2000 won him the Chess Oscar for 2000, while his 2006 victory in the reunification match earned him the Chess Oscar for 2006.

On 30 December 2006 he married French journalist Marie-Laure Germon and they have a daughter, Daria, who was born 28 December 2008, and a son, Vadim, born 28 January 2013.

Sources and references Website: http://www.kramnik.com/; Biography: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/biograph...; Extended and candid interview with Kramnik by Vladislav Tkachiev in August 2011: http://whychess.org/node/1605; Live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; * http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...; Wikipedia article: Kramnik

Last updated: 2023-11-23 11:45:25

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Kramnik vs Serdyukov 1-0311984BelorechenskB78 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack, 10.castle long
2. A Oganyan vs Kramnik 0-1311984BelorechenskB89 Sicilian
3. Remezov vs Kramnik  0-1521985KrasnodarB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
4. Kramnik vs Zhukov 1-0381986BelorechenskB43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3
5. Zaitsev vs Kramnik 0-1491986Team TournamentB83 Sicilian
6. Kramnik vs Otsarev 1-0181987Baku TrainingB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
7. Shilov vs Kramnik 0-1371987USSR Boys' ChampionshipB33 Sicilian
8. Kramnik vs A Chjumachenko 1-0321987GelendzhikB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
9. Kramnik vs Mayorov 1-0341987GelendzhikC12 French, McCutcheon
10. I Odesskij vs Kramnik 0-1251987URS-chT U14A52 Budapest Gambit
11. Yakubovsky vs Kramnik  0-1511987URS-chT U14B23 Sicilian, Closed
12. Yakovich vs Kramnik 1-0421988URSB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
13. Kramnik vs Danislian ½-½601988URS-chT U18B15 Caro-Kann
14. M Golubev vs Kramnik 0-1381988URS-chT U18B33 Sicilian
15. Kramnik vs Yakovich ½-½141989Chigorin Memorial-BB33 Sicilian
16. Kramnik vs R Shcherbakov ½-½351989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
17. A V Filipenko vs Kramnik 0-1401989Chigorin Memorial-BB00 Uncommon King's Pawn Opening
18. Kramnik vs A Panchenko ½-½601989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
19. Khenkin vs Kramnik ½-½171989Chigorin Memorial-BD39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation
20. J Ivanov vs Kramnik ½-½121989Chigorin Memorial-BA85 Dutch, with c4 & Nc3
21. Kramnik vs B Podlesnik 1-0371989Chigorin Memorial-BB33 Sicilian
22. M Sorokin vs Kramnik ½-½521989Chigorin Memorial-BA81 Dutch
23. G Kallai vs Kramnik ½-½221989Chigorin Memorial-BA81 Dutch
24. Kramnik vs G Tunik 0-1381989Chigorin Memorial-BB46 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation
25. Kramnik vs A Grosar ½-½471989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
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Oct-24-24  metatron2: <fabelhaft: It should be added that Naroditsky is World #23 in OTB blitz>

Well, pls watch this Kramnik's video as to <How Naroditsky got that blitz rating> (which only adds to the suspicion):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0k...

<fabelhaft: where he goes two years back to find a Naroditsky stream where he mentions one candidate move that he doesn’t even play>

Well, you know sometimes when you are guilty, its enough to make one mistake that incriminates you..

And that one was quite incriminating.. (for many chess fans actually, and even Naroditsky himself said he was "surprised" that that was the case..).

<fabelhaft: Kramnik has been a conspiracy theorist for a long time>

Indeed, and he rightfully got bad reputation for both his methods, and the way he publicly accuse players without serious evidence.

However, that is not the case here.

It doesn't seem like you saw the relevant material here, so I suggest that you look at it <objectively>, without prejudice about Kramnik's motives or his (past) methods, before you come up with any conclusion about this specific case.

You can start with this short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlP...

Oct-24-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: <Kramnik was always a sore, whiny presence in chess>

News to me. Are you sure you're not confusing him with Kasparov?

<Barely scraping his way to the match with Kasparov, he conveniently dodged any rematch.>

Your word is conveniently, mine is sensibly.

<Against Topalov, he ran to the bathroom over 20 times per match, and when (unsurprisingly) accused of cheating, he cried foul like a victim.>

Unless you think it's credible he was cheating, surely he was the victim. My impression is that the vast majority of the chess public took his side. Somewhat surprising if, as you say, he was always a sore and whiny presence.

All that said, his current propensity to throw around accusations of cheating does shed something of an ironic light on the Toiletgate affair.

Oct-24-24  metatron2: <MissScarlett: All that said, his current propensity to throw around accusations of cheating does shed something of an ironic light on the Toiletgate affair>

Maybe he is looking for redemption here, if he was indeed guilty there..

I personally don't care weather his motives are: redemption, trying to remain relevant and get attention, and/or really trying to protect chess from its greatest threat (=cheating).

As long as he does a good job there (and it does seem that he improved <a lot> in that respect..), that is fine with me..

Oct-24-24
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  MissScarlett: I've always liked Kramnik, so I'm prepared to give him a lot of latitude. If he hangs himself with it, so be it.
Oct-24-24  MrMelad: <MissScarlett: Are you sure you're not confusing him with Kasparov?>

Kasparov, while not without flaws, was noble and gracious, a true ambassador of the game. He popularized chess, fought against FIDE corruption, and was one of the last warriors standing against the machines. He mentored the younger generation, with Carlsen and Nakamura holding him in the highest regard (unlike Kramnik). His unwavering moral stand today with Ukraine and Israel, and against terrorism and tyranny, speaks to his bravery and humanity.

<Unless you think it's credible he was cheating, surely he was the victim.>

I don’t know. I used to believe he was innocent, but life has shown me that those who loudly hate on something, like homosexuals, are often hiding that very thing. Just an analogy, of course, nothing wrong with being homosexual.

Now I’m starting to think his 20+ bathroom trips are downright suspicious, especially considering how quick he is to blame others with far less circumstantial evidence.

Oct-24-24  stone free or die: Oh good lord, what is going on here?

<Danya Pulls UNO REVERSE on Kramnik's CHEATING Allegations>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnA...

From two days ago.

Oct-24-24  stone free or die: (FWIW - Naroditsky has recently gathered a few more rating points in FIDE rated blitz tournaments

https://ratings.fide.com/profile/20...

Though most of the points were vacuumed up from players rated 400 points or more below him.

Guess not too many 2700 players live in Charlotte NC)

Oct-24-24  MrMelad: I call “he who smelt it, dealt it” on Kramnik
Oct-24-24  fabelhaft: Kramnik as always sounds very entitled. Naroditsky should explain this, add more cameras in this way, play Kramnik at that place, with these rules, and so on.

Alcantara jumped through every hoop. He played Kramnik, the time controls were changed to fit Kramnik better, OTB games were added to fit Kramnik better, some Kramnik losses were excluded afterwards because he had computer problems (as he tends to have when doing worse online against more computer savvy opponents), more breaks were added between games when Kramnik wanted it, etc.

In the end I think the combined result in the two matches was 31.5-30.5 to Alcantara. But there was never any excuse from Kramnik.

Naroditsky is said to farm Elo by playing weakies, and he does play low rated local opponents. But the events where he gained most rating the last years were in the strongest, Madrid 2022 against Carlsen, Gustafsson and two other GMs etc, and American Cup 2024 against Caruana, Robson, Aronian etc.

Why should Naroditsky have to defend himself against these typers of accusations, or try to please the person that is accusing him? Maybe he likes to play his local events. Maybe he likes it less to play against Kramnik.

Oct-24-24  metatron2: <fabelhaft: Naroditsky is said to farm Elo by playing weakies, and he does play low rated local opponents [...] Maybe he likes to play his local events>

So why did he start "liking it" so much, only <after> fide added the 400-points rule to blitz?? can you pls explain that "very strange" correlation otherwise??

<fabelhaft: But the events where he gained most rating the last years were in the strongest>

And he got around 2600 blitz rating in those strong events right? No doubt that he is a very strong blitz player, but not quite an 2700 rated blitz rated player (actually quite far from it), as Kramnik said.

<fabelhaft: Kramnik as always sounds very entitled> Yes, well as a former world champion, who is usually considered among the top 10 ever, and who contributed so much to the game, I guess that he does feel entitled to ask the questions and make more demands then the youngsters he addresses to.

<fabelhaft: Why should Naroditsky have to defend himself against these types of accusations> First of all Danya did try to defend himself (that took him quite a while to do for "some" reason, but still), it just wasn't convincing as I wrote here Vladimir Kramnik and Kramnik also responded to him of course.

But anyway, that is not the main point. The point is what do you think about Kramnik's analysis? For example: what do you think about that short video that he showed that Danya <admitted> by mistake that he was <using an engine while playing> online (patzers, but it just shows that he has the setup to use it!) ?!

=====

And regarding Jose:

<fabelhaft: In the end I think the combined result in the two matches was 31.5-30.5 to Alcantara. But there was never any excuse from Kramnik>

That's actually misrepresentation, since the first match had plenty of problems when they used chesscom platform, and that is the reason they played a second match, on a <different chess platform>, and in that match Kramnik actually <won by two 2 points margin>.

"Surprisingly" as opposed to the first match that was heavily covered, this match wasn't covered at all by chesscom associated streamers, and I wonder why..

In any case, before the match Kramnik said that actually Jose Martinez is the favorite since he had higher OTB blitz rating (a real one, unlike Danya..), and that he is better with the mouse, but he did want to prove that the gap is not as big as their chesscom blitz ratings suggest (over 100 points gap for Jose most of the time).

In the end, Kramnik actually showed that there is no gap at all (quite the opposite actually), when they are playing with arbiters outside their homes. So if anything it should be Martinez who should give the explanations there.

Oct-24-24  fabelhaft: <it should be Martinez who should give the explanations>

That’s what it always comes around to, isn’t it? No matter what he does, he is the one that should explain things. He agreed to have the time controls changed so they fit Kramnik better, he agreed to play OTB, he agreed to all the changes in scheduling and so on.

Then he should explain why he does better with shorter time controls online than in the match, or explain why, since he is 27 Elo higher rated OTB, he only was equal with Kramnik.

<why did he start "liking it" so much, only <after> fide added the 400-points rule to blitz?? can you pls explain that "very strange" correlation otherwise??>

Maybe he liked the idea of reaching 2700? This doesn’t exactly have anything to do with cheating.

<No doubt that he is a very strong blitz player, but not quite an 2700 rated blitz rated player (actually quite far from it), as Kramnik said>

I have no idea if he is far from 2700 as Kramnik claims. He has done well when beating Aronian and Robson in blitz this year at least.

<a former world champion, who is usually considered among the top 10 ever>

Not by me :-)

Oct-24-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  Check It Out: <metatron2: He also uploaded this short video a few days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlP... and I wonder what <you think> about that ?!>

Naroditzky is playing a speedrun of some sort and in the middle of the game looks at another computer and says "I'm looking at the engine and..."

That's not good. Did Naroditzky explain why he said that? I can't find it.

<<Check It Out: That's some conspiracy theory you are spreading> If you knew this issue better and its participating actors, you wouldn't have said that, since it is very obvious that that is the case.>

It's not obvious that chesscom is using "Naka, Levi and others" to disparage Kramnik. It's a theory. A conspiracy theory.

Oct-24-24  fabelhaft: <Did Naroditzky explain why he said that?>

If I recall correctly he said back then that he had thought his opponent would resign when he lost his queen, and that he had gotten impatient with doing his game analysis and started looking too early while it turned out the opponent still was playing.

He said that what he did was wrong, but that he was doing game analysis of these games against amatuers very quickly on the go and just after the games were finishing, that it was for educational purposes, etc.

Oct-24-24  metatron2: <fabelhaft: Maybe he liked the idea of reaching 2700?>

Well, Who doesn't ?? :)

But Danya (and his friend) are the only chess players who methodically used the new 400-points rule in order to get there..

<fabelhaft: This doesn’t exactly have anything to do with cheating>

Kramnik didn't say that it was, he just said that it doesn't feel right, and I agree with that. For me it gives indication that: (a) getting high ratings are highly important for Danya, (b) he is willing to use some dubious methods to get there.

<fabelhaft: That’s what it always comes around to, isn’t it? No matter what he does, he is the one that should explain things>

Well, you complained that there was "never any excuse from Kramnik", so I just said that if anyone needs to give explanations following the last match, then it isn't Kramnik..

But I agree that the match didn't prove much either way. Martinez gained quite a lot of popularity by playing a match against Kramnik though :)

--

<Check It Out: It's not obvious that chesscom is using "Naka, Levi and others" to disparage Kramnik. It's a theory. A conspiracy theory>

Those guys openly say that they work in cooperation with chesscom, and we can see that they have various projects with them.

Levy for example admitted more than once that he is not allowed even to mention Lichess..

You can also try to mention chesscom in comments for any of those streamers and see what happens (you comment will automatically be deleted..)

Now, obviously it will look extremely bad for chesscom if it will turn out that Danya was cheating on regular bases.

You can do the math from there.

Oct-24-24  metatron2: <fabelhaft: <Did Naroditzky explain why he said that?> If I recall correctly he said back then that he had thought his opponent would resign when he lost his queen, and that he had gotten impatient with doing his game analysis and started looking too early while it turned out the opponent still was playing>

First of all that sounds like a really lame excuse from Danya..

But the real question here is:

How can you start the analysis before the online game ends? I mean, normally after the game ends, you can analyze it within chesscom, or you can get the PGN if you like (for some reason) to analyze it somewhere else.

As I see it, in order to analyze <during the game>, you need to have some sort mechanism that transfers the moves to an external engine during the game (either automatically or manually).

Now why do you think that Danya had such mechanism active on his system ??!

Oct-24-24
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  MissScarlett: What's the current situation with Brandon Jacobson? Is he still banned by <chess.com>? Has Danya ever commented about whether he thinks Jacobson may have been cheating? Or <chess.com>'s treatment of him?

For those unaware of this story, here's Jacobsen's account from May:

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comm...

Oct-24-24  fabelhaft: <Now why do you think that Danya had such mechanism active on his system ??!>

I have no idea if he analyses his games differently compared to other streamers, the chess.com analysis is quite shallow so many probably do it some other way.

He did mention the engine so it’s not as if he was hiding that he used it. He claimed that he did it to improve the analysis between games for the people watching him stream.

Then it’s a question if one believes him or not. That Kramnik doesn’t is clear going by his tweets about how he enjoys to see how Naroditsky is panicking with his new lies, that he has lousy performances when not cheating today, that he is immature (which is repeated quite a lot) etc.

I get more positive vibes from Naroditsky than from Kramnik, which maybe influences how I see these repeated accusations against various players after they have beaten Kramnik.

Oct-25-24  stone free or die: I will say that <Naroditsky>'s English is much easier for me to understand than Kramnick's.

Not really fair, but I found Kramnick's takes much more understandable when they were excerpts in Naroditsky's videos.

Oct-25-24  shach motov: Danya is one of the most honorable, honest strong GM's in the world today. The guy even goes out of his way to protect his opponents when his viewers accuse them of cheating. One of the most popular, knowledgeable, eloquent chess instructors in the world, his chess content is free and extremely educational for millions of chess enthusiasts, club players and even professionals. Such personalities as GM Naro enrich this game and community.

It's very obvious that only a braindead sociopath would accuse him of cheating. And apparently Kramnik has fallen so very low as to fit the bill. Apparently one of the accusations was that Naro used an engine against an 1100; and, to make the accusation even more amazing, the opponent was playing without a queen that he blundered. Apparently a 2600+ GM, one of the top online blitz players, needs an engine to beat an 1100 who is playing without a queen. And, conveniently, the fact that the game is used for purely educational purposes is totally ignored by the "accuser'. Naro turned the engine on only when the game was totally decided, in point of fact no chess left to play.

Some try to make the argument even more foolish (which one imagines would be totally impossible) by claiming that Naro having a mechanism for engine analysis on his computer is suspicious. Again totally ignoring that he always analyzes games on his speedruns, which usually requires some engine feedback. Obviously he would have a mechanism that would make access to an engine as quick as possible, that's a no brainer. If we follow Kramnik's and his supporters' logic, if a person has a gun, then he obviously must be a killer. Similarly, if a chess player uses engines for instruction and analysis, he must be a cheater.

The only way to explain this foolishness from Kramnik is that he is very frustrated for being much weaker than top blitz players online. Moreover, he is extremely envious of the likes of Naka and Naro, the first having millions of subs on Ytube, the second almost half a million, while Kramnik has some 15k. He is a loser in every way, both in popularity and his level of playing chess. I can find no other explanation for his obnoxious, belligerent, foolish behavior. I am reluctant to go as far as linking his nonsense to him being hired by Kremlin to do all this, as some suggested. But who knows...

Oct-25-24  metatron2: <fabelhaft: I have no idea if he analyses his games differently compared to other streamers, the chess.com analysis is quite shallow so many probably do it some other way>

The point is that chesscom (and any other chess playing platform..), <intentionally blocks> analysis option during the game.

After the game ends, they allow you to use their engine, or you can export the game's PGN to another engine.

But during the game they <do not allow> you to do that.

So the only way I can think of, is having some kind of <external mechanism> that transfers the moves to the other engine during the game. Either some kind of software that is able to (<piracy>) track the moves from chesscom, and deliver them to the engine's application, or the player just manually plays the moves on the engine's application in addition to his chesscom board.

If you can think of any other way to do that, then I'll be happy to know about it.

Now, can you find <any scenario> at which Danya would need to have an ability to analyze <during the game>??

I remind you again that this ability requires special extra efforts (unless you show me otherwise), so its not something that he could use just because "it was already there"..

<fabelhaft: He did mention the engine so it’s not as if he was hiding that he used it>

Kramnik said that Danya mentioned it by mistake, since he started feeling too comfortable.. Apparently Danya tried to take back those words right after he said them, but realized that he couldn't.

As far as I know, Danya <never mentioned> anything like that before or after that incident, so it does very much seem like he was hiding the fact that he had an engine that is connected to his game while he is playing (but had a one time slip with his words..).

Oct-25-24  metatron2: <shach motov: Naro turned the engine on only when the game was totally decided, in point of fact no chess left to play>

But how did he turn on that engine during the game? He couldn't do it from within chesscom right? So how the moves of his game transferred to that engine outside of chesscom? (pls see my above response to <fabelhaft> as well for more details about this)

<shach motov: Some try to make the argument even more foolish (which one imagines would be totally impossible) by claiming that Naro having a mechanism for engine analysis on his computer is suspicious. Again totally ignoring that he always analyzes games on his speedruns, which usually requires some engine feedback. Obviously he would have a mechanism that would make access to an engine as quick as possible, that's a no brainer>

Its nice that you consider the argument to be extremely foolish, but I still don't get your explanation as to why it is so "foolish".

So Danya analyzes games on his speedruns <while he is playing the games> ? if he doesn't, then it is totally irrelevant (chesscom actually want players to analyze their games <after> they are finished), and if he does analyze them while he is playing, then he has been openly cheating for a long time now.

Oct-25-24  shach motov: <mata>

Hope you're doing well. But very surprised you're taking Kramnik's side in his absolutely idiotic accusations.

<But how did he turn on that engine during the game?>

I am sure there are hundreds of ways to connect an engine without chess.com, so its really irrelevant how he did it. That is not the point anyway. Some people are technologically savvier than others so it could be very easy and fast to do that.

<if he does analyze them while he is playing, then he has been openly cheating for a long time now>

In the past i've watched hundreds of his videos against 2000elo+ and never seen him analyze with engine during the game. There is only that one incident where apparently he used an engine for instructional purposes after the game was basically (but not factually) over against a 1100 ELO who blundered a queen. Nobody in their right mind would claim that that is cheating, so yes, people arguing that are extremely foolish.

Now, Kramnik himself has cheated in a very serious way when he played under another GM's account. That is not just cheating by chess.com rules but by any moral and ethical considerations. So your time would be spent much better by calling Kramnik a cheat instead of witch hunting against Naro for using an engine at the end of one game against a 1100 for instructional purposes. Such accusations are beyond foolish and degrade the chess community and harass very valuable members of the community like Danya.

I hope you're seeing the picture a bit clearer now since usually we agree on most topics.

Oct-25-24  metatron2: Hi <shach>..

I'm not taking Kramink's side here, I'm taking the anti-cheating side, as I <Always> did.

I have a lot to say about the people/companies involved in this story, but for now I want to focus only on the facts.

<shach: I am sure there are hundreds of ways to connect an engine without chess.com>

You are sure that there are many <legitimate> ways to do this connection? using legitimate software that chesscom approves and that was not spread by anonymous hackers? and without manually playing the moves on two different chess programs (that is also surely illegal by chesscom) ?

I don't think so at all. If chesscom wanted to allow analysis during the game, then they would have enabled it inside their platform. They don't have any technical problem to do that.

<shach: so its really irrelevant how he did it>

Following the above, it is very much relevant how he did it. So if you can find any <legitimate> way to do it, then I'll be happy to see it.

But indeed even more relevant then how he did it, is <WHY he did it> ??

So I ask you the same question that I asked <fabelhaft>:

Can you find <any scenario> at which Danya would need to have an ability to analyze with an engine <during his games>??

I remind you again that this ability requires special extra efforts, and is illegal (unless you show me otherwise), so its not something that he could use just because "it was already there"..

===

and regarding:

<shach: There is only that one incident where apparently he used an engine for instructional purposes after the game was basically (but not factually) over against a 1100 ELO who blundered a queen. Nobody in their right mind would claim that that is cheating, so yes, people arguing that are extremely foolish>

Again, its obviously not that he needed an engine to beat that patzer, its the fact that he <had the mechanism> to analyze with an engine during an online game, and also used it so naturally (as if he is very much used to do it..) that he even mentioned by mistake.

So you are calling "foolish" to an argument that I didn't make.

Oct-25-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: <Danya is one of the most honorable, honest strong GM's in the world today.>

And Christopher Yoo wouldn't hurt a fly.

Personal impressions and character references are fine as far as they go, but for deciding serious allegations, they don't go very far.

Oct-25-24  shach motov: <meta>

PS Maybe I didn't fully address your question regarding how Naro transferred the moves to an engine during the game. Well, google gives this (although i don't know if he did this or something else): "To copy chess moves during a game on Chess.com, you need to access the game's "Portable Game Notation" (PGN) which automatically records every move made, allowing you to copy the entire sequence by simply selecting and copying the PGN text from the game interface;"

So basically it would be very easy and takes maybe a few seconds to copy/paste to an engine. I've never done it but if that's the case then Naro didn't need to have any special prearranged equipment to do that.

So that unequivocally refutes the argument <this ability requires special extra efforts (unless you show me otherwise), so its not something that he could use just because "it was already there">.

I understand that you believe that you have genuine questions regarding this whole silly issue, but I'll be honest, none of them make much sense, and those that perhaps a do little can be refuted within few seconds by simple google search and reasoning.

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