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May-23-21 | | macer75: <offramp: Karpov is 70 today. It is an important milestone. There is however zero chance of him seeing this kibitz so I'm not gonna waste my time to wish him a happy birthday.> Nonsense. I'm sure that like any decent chess player he checks in on his own page on Chessgames every day. |
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May-23-21 | | fisayo123: <fabelhaft> Its not that hard to believe. Such analysis has been done for Korchnoi: http://www.chessdiagonals.ch/402840...
with similar astronimical tournament wins. There are Russian sources that detail all of Karpov's victories, including the lesser known ones |
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May-23-21
 | | MissScarlett: Where does he claim they were all international events? |
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May-23-21 | | fisayo123: Korchnoi's 1st place finishes. http://www.chessdiagonals.ch/402840... It's not hard at all to believe Karpov has a similar number if all his tournament successes are taken into account. He's been winning tournaments from the 1960's to the 2010's. |
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May-23-21 | | Albertan: Karpov at 70: “My great blunder was I agreed to hold the match with Kasparov in the Soviet Union” https://chess24.com/en/read/news/ka... |
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May-23-21 | | macer75: <Albertan: Karpov at 70: “My great blunder was I agreed to hold the match with Kasparov in the Soviet Union”
https://chess24.com/en/read/news/ka... Right, because the Soviet Union liked Kasparov a lot more than they liked Karpov. Also explains why Kasparov is so much more popular in Russia today. |
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May-23-21 | | fabelhaft: <Its not that hard to believe. Such analysis has been done for Korchnoi: http://www.chessdiagonals.ch/402840...
with similar astronimical tournament wins> Yes, and that includes friendly matches, other matches, team events, junior events, board prizes, national events etc etc. At least your claim of 160 international tournament victories is probably less than a hundred from the actual number :-) |
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May-23-21 | | Albertan: Happy Birthday, Anatoly Karpov
https://en.chessbase.com/post/happy... |
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May-23-21
 | | eternaloptimist: Happy 70th birthday to the 12th World Chess Champ!! |
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May-23-21 | | nok: <because the Soviet Union liked Kasparov a lot more than they liked Karpov.> Gorbachev's Soviet Union? Yes. |
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May-23-21 | | fabelhaft: <<because the Soviet Union liked Kasparov a lot more than they liked Karpov.> Gorbachev's Soviet Union? Yes.>
Well, Kasparov often talked about himself and Yeltsin vs Karpov and Gorbachev... <Gary Kasparov, the world chess champion, announced yesterday that when he defends his title in New York next Monday he will not play the match under the Soviet flag but rather under the white, blue and red colors of the Russian Republic.Mr. Kasparov said in an interview that he had decided to spurn the Soviet flag, with its Communist symbol of the hammer and sickle, because it has come to ''represent oppression and tyranny,'' even under the rule of President Mikhail S. Gorbachev> <Mr. Kasparov made clear that his gesture was aimed both at the current Soviet Communist leadership under Mr. Gorbachev and at his bitter rival, Mr. Karpov.''Karpov represents the power authorities,'' said Mr. Kasparov. ''He was Brezhnev's boy when Brezhnev was in power and now he is Gorbachev's boy when Gorbachev is in power.''> https://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/01/... |
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May-23-21 | | fabelhaft: I don’t think Karpov and Kasparov ever agreed on much, and it’s clear they are still far from close in that respect. Karpov just stated that Kasparov always has been the enemy of Russia, and that he all the time complains about having been born in ugly Azerbaijan https://twitter.com/Chess__News/sta... |
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May-23-21
 | | Chessical: In his interview with Evgeny Surov, Karpov compains that the Soviet system actually favoured Kasparov: <Kasparov often repeats in his memoirs that it was he, not you, who was the victim of the system.> "Yes, this myth is one of his favourites. In fact, Kasparov has always received support, and absolute support. He ate from all tables, first of all from Azerbaijan. Our financial conditions with him were absolutely not equal. If we count the costs that the country has incurred with Kasparov - at least in the same preparations for the matches with Karpov - then they are many times greater than the costs for me. He could maintain large headquarters, and people worked for him from morning to evening. They had their own training centre. Kasparov could stay at the government dacha in Zagulba at any moment, and not alone, but with his whole team. I did not have permanent places for training, and had to negotiate all the time. Back then, he had absolute freedom of action." <However, before the matches with Kasparov, you seemed to be considered the favorite of the authorities. Your chess authority was indisputable. How did it happen that at that time such pressure was exerted on you?> "Just from Kasparov's side there were vile people who arranged it. Even under Brezhnev, Heydar Aliyev (an Azejbaijani Politbureau member) was not insignificant and after Brezhnev's death he simply became the main one in the Politburo, who was involved in culture, sports, and medicine. And his pressure became extremely serious." http://chess-news.ru/node/27926 |
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May-23-21 | | fabelhaft: Surov isn’t one of the bigger Karpov fans going by tweets like this one... https://twitter.com/surovlive/statu... |
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May-23-21
 | | eternaloptimist: <fabelhaft> & <Chessical> u guys have a very intriguing conversation going on now. I’m learning some things. Pls keep it going for a while. Karpov has been my favorite player since the late 80s & the K vs K World Championship matches were epic so info about either/both of them is interesting. I actually got to meet Kasparov @ the St. Louis chess club about 2 or 3 years ago. Unfortunately I have never met Karpov |
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May-23-21 | | nok: <''Karpov represents the power authorities,'' said Mr. Kasparov. ''He was Brezhnev's boy when Brezhnev was in power and now he is Gorbachev's boy when Gorbachev is in power.''> Conveniently said in late 1990 when Gorby was all but done. Two things Gazza was WC at: chess and blowing his own horn. |
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May-23-21 | | savagerules: On Reddit a couple days ago someone asked Kasparov why Karpov wasn't rated that high by many people. Kasparov said it was because Karpov is associated with the Soviet Union and is pro Putin. Kasparov still has fantasies about returning to Russia and being hoisted on the shoulders of jubliant mobs of people welcoming him back and making him president or who knows- maybe king. |
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May-23-21
 | | HeMateMe: If the match had been held outside the USSR there is a real chance that Campomanes would have nullified the match sooner than actually occurred, which would have been a less historically embarrassing result for Karpov than what actually occurred: 63 games, 40 of them dish water dull draws. Karpov is a multi-millionaire, successful capitalist. He made ALL of his money once he got to make deals in the west, once the USSR fell. The idea that he's some sort of dyed in the wool communist (like Botvinnik) is a load of crap. Of course Kasparov also says things that are self serving and not true. But, at least Kasparov <knows> he's a capitalist with a big ego, he pretty much admits it. Karpov won't give away his personal flaws the way Kasparov does but they are certainly there. Great chess players? Absolutely, both of them. However, I don't ever want to see either of them teaching a political ethics class at a college. |
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May-23-21 | | macer75: <savagerules: On Reddit a couple days ago someone asked Kasparov why Karpov wasn't rated that high by many people. Kasparov said it was because Karpov is associated with the Soviet Union and is pro Putin.> Being sandwiched between Fischer and Kasparov might also have something to do with it. |
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May-23-21
 | | HeMateMe: I think Karpov is top five. Lasker, Capa and Alekhine never had to play so much, every month, against the world's best players. Fischer flamed out quickly. Karpov did it for 25 years. Only Kasparov is in the same league. |
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May-23-21 | | Petrosianic: <I think Karpov is top five. Lasker, Capa and Alekhine never had to play so much, every month, against the world's best players. Fischer flamed out quickly. Karpov did it for 25 years. Only Kasparov is in the same league.> Yeah, I think that's not too far off the mark. It is a mark against Karpov that he never beat a sitting world champion in a match. But he is the most successful tournament player in history, by far. Karpov had the kind of reign that we all wanted Fischer to have; entering every tournament in sight and nearly always winning. |
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May-24-21
 | | perfidious: Some years ago, I recall reading speculation to the effect that Karpov gaining the title as he did played a role in motivating his tournament record as titleholder. Whatever the cause, for much of his reign, he was all but invincible in tournament play, with no more than two or three such defeats per year against a great many wins. |
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May-24-21 | | fabelhaft: Karpov is #4 to me, only behind Kasparov, Lasker and Carlsen. Early to place Carlsen top three when he is only 30, and he is still behind Karpov in super tournament victories, maybe around 40 vs 50. But he is already three years ahead in time as #1. Also, nowadays the top events have a high amount of top players, there have usually been five of the top ten in the tournaments Carlsen won, while things sometimes were quite different in the 70s. Carlsen also now has won four undisputed title matches, while Karpov only won the two against Korchnoi. Then he was unlucky to run into Kasparov. But also lucky that Fischer quit, otherwise he would probably not have reached his 8.5 years as #1, given the huge lead Fischer had on the Elo list. But to me Fischer quit too early to be ahead of Karpov. Not enough title matches, time as #1 and top tournament wins. |
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May-24-21 | | WorstPlayerEver: <perfidious>
Sometimes he was invincible, though.
Linares (1994) |
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May-24-21 | | Petrosianic: <Carlsen also now has won four undisputed title matches,> Well... kinda. Actually, he won two matches, drew two matches, and won two Rapids playoffs. If we're going to count a draw in regulation as a win, then we should really count 1910, 1951, 1954, 1987 and 2004 as "wins" for the titleholder as well, for a more direct comparison (i.e. the guy who walks out with the title is the winner). Which would mean the 1984 match should really be considered a win for Karpov as well, giving him three. |
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