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Anatoly Karpov vs Garry Kasparov
"Karpov Diem" (game of the day May-23-2013)
Karpov - Kasparov World Championship Match (1984/85), Moscow URS, rd 9, Oct-05
Tarrasch Defense: Classical. Carlsbad Variation (D34)  ·  1-0



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Aug-24-14  Everett: <Jimfromprovidence> Dvoretsky goes on to show that after Marin's improvement <55.Nh5 Bxf3 56.Nxf6 Be4+ 57.Kg5 Bd3 <58.Ng4>>, with much analysis, White wins with best play. I can quote it, but you may find it easier in the Endgame Manual 2nd Edition (English) pg 133

In any case, it confirms that White has to time precisely his capture of the d5-pawn in order to win against best play.

Aug-24-14  patzer2: <Everett><Specifically, White would plays after <48..Bg6 49.Nf4 <keeping Black's K back> Bf7 50.Kh4> and White wins the h-pawn and is in perfect position to outflank the Black K if the minors come off.> So does White have a forced win after 48...Bg6?
Aug-25-14  Everett: <patzer2> I don't know if it is forced, but it does allows White to organize his pieces and gather the f- and h-pawns, and to be patient grabbing the others.
Jan-13-15  1 2 3 4: 23. Qa5 was a little bad, BUT KARPOV SURE IS THE BEST POSITIONAL PLAYER EVER
Apr-01-15  morphyesque: Could someone please explain what Kasparov would have played had Karpov played the pawn fork 18.b4 (instead of Rad1).Does this not win the exchange (or knight) for white?I can only see black's best continuation then as 18...Rxc3 19.Qxc3 d4 20.Qd2 dxe3 21.Qxd8 exf2+ 22.Rxf2 Rxd8 and white seems a good exchange up!
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  Retireborn: <morphyesque> My notes give 18.b4 Rc8 19.bxa5 d4 with initiative for Black; extendeding this with 20.Rfd1 Qxa5 21.Rxd4 Rxc3 22.Qd2 looks pretty drawish however. In any case Karpov would not have wanted to allow Black to eliminate his isolated QP so cheaply.
Jun-03-15  bellh: I picked up some chess books yesgterday from a used book store that is closing, and then saw this game last night for the first time.

From IA Horowitz (Chess for Beginners) "In master play, the preference is for the bishop; although he covers squares of only one color, his cruising range is much generally greater than that of the kniight." Apparently, Karpov never read that book.

Perhaps he read Capablanca (A Priner of Chess) who said that a blocked position with the pawns only on one side of the board "is about the only case where a knight is more valuable than the bishop" because Karpov methodically reduces the game to that position from about moves 47 to 54.

Jul-06-15  CHESS LIZARD: classical game of good knight and bad bishop
Oct-14-15  The Kings Domain: WDenayer: Interesting comment. Kasparov and Karpov kept Chess in the limelight after it peaked with Fischer with their personalities and skill. They represented and were responsible for the last great era in Chess. Their rivalry was the greatest of the sport. But I don't get your comment on how you don't get their games, particularly in contrast to Fischer's which you claim is "clear". Kasparov's and Karpov's games are the same as any master where each player jockeys for the best position in order to win. Perhaps what you meant with Fischer's games as being "clear" is that they stood out, particularly in quality where some were brilliant. Kasparov and Karpov were never able to pull off a "Game of the Century", much more when they were Fischer's age when the latter accomplished that feat. Kasparov and Karpov were pretty much representatives of the Botvinnik school: the cold, calculating style of play which Tal rebelled against.
Dec-14-15  Brandon D Davis: The Kings Domain,how can you say that Kasparov or Karpov never pulled off a so- called game of the century and use as a measuring stick between the 3? First of all in regards to the Donald Byrne vs Fischer game that you're talking about, yes it was a brilliant game and impressive for his age but it was one guy (maybe Golembek) that saw the game and dubbed it as such and the term stuck. You take Kasparov's pre Championship career and Kasparov vs Anderson Tilburg 1981 can easily be put on the same level as Fischer's win over Byrne if u ask me,which by Kasparov's own admissions was the best in his career for a long time. And please let's not forget Kasparov's famous "octopus game" in their first match WCC 1984 against Karpov,that's probably one of the most well known game in all of chess...And Karpov at a very early age had the famous attacking game against Gik which have been reprinted in tactical books the world over and is a model game for destroying the Sicilian Dragon as his game against Korchnoi(another game that was talked about the world over!)in their famous 1974 match where he brilliantly destroyed Korchnoi's Dragon and picked up the top brilliancy prize to boot!Karpov in these two games looks like a refined Tal... His games in 1971 against Hort with White and 1974 against Unzicker with white are also sheer Masterpieces. And Fischer for the record didn't turn out brilliancy prizes at every tournament he went too either, as a matter of fact I'm sure Kasparov and especially Alekhine trumps him in that department by a wide margin! I think you're wrong to try and take that one game and make claims about Fischer being the better player. Personally I don't think Fischer wanted any parts of Karpov,he knew what he was up against.He had more than enough chances to defend his title and under very reasonable circumstances and didn't do it. That's his fault.Karpov is a true Champion!
Dec-14-15  WDenayer: What I meant to say is that I did not understand these games. It was only later, when Timman provided long and extremely detailed analyses of the games in Schaakbulletin that I got it: many, many moves that had the sole purpose of creating and then exploiting a slight weakened square – it turned out to be important 25 moves later on. Unbelievable. The chess that these guys played was better, more complex, more sophisticated than anything that had ever been seen before. And this was before computers could do anything.
Nov-29-16  andrea volponi: 66...Ah1!!-Cf5 Rd5-Cg3 Ag2-Ce2 Rc4!-Cf4 Ac6=
May-01-17  ZackyMuhammad: Knight vs Bishop
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  offramp: A game that proves that the worst bishop is better than the best knight. Black could have drawn this very late in the game.
Jul-23-17  andrea volponi: 55Nh5(!gm marin,ecc...) Bxf3 -Nxf6 Be4 -Kg5 Bd3 -Ng4(!gm marin) Bf1 -Ne5 Bh3 -Kg6! Ke6 -Nc6 Kd6 -Na5 Ke6!!(Ke7 marin,dvoretsky) -Nb7 Ke7 -Nc5 Bc8 -Kg7 Bf5 -Nxa6 Bd3 -Nb8 Be4 -Nc6+ Kd7 -Ne5+Ke7 -Ng4 Ke6 -Ne3 Bd3 -Kh6 Kf6 -Nxd5+ Kf5 -Nc3 Kf6 -a4 bxa4 -Nxa4 draw tablebase .
Mar-03-18  AgentX: After deep analysis, and consulting the Endgame Manual, I think 55.Nh5 wins, following 55...Bxf3 56.Nxf6-Be4+ 57.Kg5-Bd3 and now 58.Ng4!!. The simple idea is to bring the knight over to the queenside (the c5-square), trying to win a6, and when the bishop is stuck defending the pawn from c8, white invades with the king.
Jun-18-18  Omnipotent00001: 70. Nd6 is a mate in 20 moves.
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  thegoodanarchist: < offramp: A game that proves that the worst bishop is better than the best knight. Black could have drawn this very late in the game.>

OK, so the long-lost <offramp> says Black could have drawn. Based on a line by < andrea volponi>?

I don't know.

I can tell you this - Karpov played an exquisitely subtle and beautiful endgame for a non-silicon engine player. Obviously he studied Fischer's end game play, and may have drawn from it himself in this game, which was played at the highest level of chess - a WCC match.

This endgame is so sophisticated it is difficult for a non-master to really learn a lot from it the first go-round.

Aug-01-19  Chesgambit: 46.gxh4?? Bg6!!
Aug-22-19  Chesgambit: notice Nh5 is draw and opps gxh6?? is bad move not losing move but now white knight is better than bishop
Oct-02-21  Gaito:

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47.Ng2!! was a stellar move. It would be interesting to know how long Karpov thought before he found this winning move. I guess that 99% of the chess players would have played the automatic capture 47.gxh4 which only draws. Stockfish 14 finds the move Ng2!! in just 20 seconds or less, but it has the advantage that it calculates millions of variations per second. Karpov couldn't calculate with that depth or with that speed and did not need to do that. He just understood that it was essential for his King to have access to the critical dark squares on the K-side.

Oct-02-21  Gaito: Bobby Fischer's outrageous claim that "All the K-K games had been prearranged and staged" was just one more symptom of his deranged mind. Poor Bobby, he underwent a lot of mental suffering (and maybe also physical suffering) during his last years. But why did Bobby make such a childish and crazy claim? It is possible that he couldn't believe that Karpov and Kasparov were capable of playing such outstanding moves as 47.Ng2!!, or it is just possible that Fischer merely wanted to give himself an excuse for refusing to play the two Ks when the real reason was that he was afraid he would have lost badly against either of the two Ks. I believe that Bobby became frightened when he analyzed Karpov's Candidate match games vs. Spassky and Korchnoi in 1974 as well as Karpov's games at the Nice Olympiad in 1974 (especially Karpov's win against Unzicker). Bobby understood that Karpov was playing on a level well above Spassky, Larsen or Petrosian, and he became terribly frightened by Karpov. A proof of that is the condition of "match being won by him in case of a 9 to 9 result". When Bobby said that, it was because he understood that Karpov was capable of winning not one game or two against him but nine games. The man who had beaten Larsen and Taimanov 6 to 0 was suddenly considering the possibility of losing nine games against the young Russian upstart!
Oct-02-21  Gaito:

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Karpov took a difficult decision here. The static central pawn configuration in the center of the board is what makes Black's bishop "bad". By capturing Black's d5 pawn, White allows the bishop to stop being "bad" and start being "good" at the price of a measly pawn. The engine (SF!4) suggests that White play instead 55.Nh5 keeping Black's bishop in the category of "bad bishop". Numerically, the engine's evaluation after 55.Nh5 is +4.05, whereas after 55.Nxd5 the computer's evaluation drops down to +0.00, on account of the bishop being transformed from a "bad" one to a "good" one. So Karpov had to win the ending again. In hindsight maybe Karpov shouldn't have captured Black's d5-pawn so soon. It was an exceedingly difficult ending that had to be played with clockwork precision!

Oct-02-21  Gaito: 56...Kd7 was maybe slightly inaccurate. After 56...Kd6 Black would have saved a tempo, as he had to play ...Kd6 anyway a couple of moves later.
Oct-02-21  Gaito:

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This was the critical moment of the ending. Maybe by dint of exhaustion and clock pressure Black finally threw away his last chance to draw, which could have been accomplished by 66...Bh1! Instead he was careless and played 66...Bb7?? a move that turned out to be the losing mistake. It is easy to say that now in hindsight and with the aid of powerful engines and computers. But without engines, is there any chess payer who can say that 66...Bb7 will lose by force?

It is one thing to watch the bullfight in the bleaches eating popcorn and quite another to be down there in front of the beast. (I hate bullfights by the way, and hope they will someday be prohibited)

After 66...Bh1! 67.Nf5 Kd5 68.Nh6 Bg2, etc., White would hardly be able to make progress.

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