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Mikhail Botvinnik vs Jose Raul Capablanca
"The Blossoming Brilliance of Botvinnik" (game of the day Sep-13-2018)
AVRO (1938), The Netherlands, rd 11, Nov-22
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Normal Line (E40)  ·  1-0

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Apr-12-19  ughaibu: <I think the best comment is from <aulero> back in 2004. At the end of a nuanced post, he writes, <But it remains one of my favourite games: it seems to me a Renaissance architecture where you cannot move a single stone.>>

Don't you think he should have mentioned that the metaphor was pinched from Reti, when talking about Rubinstein?

Apr-12-19
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  Messiah: Sorry for the numerous posts, but I am incapable to stop praising Botvinnik. In the last, say, 20 years I replayed this game a numerous times, and today it suddenly popped into my mind again.

It is an unexplainable, incomprehensible, hopeless mystery for me, how a mortal human being can come up with an idea like 16.Rae1. This move, the whole idea is such an extremity, such a profound brilliancy, that it is a billion light years beyond anything I know about chess. And then, that Ba3 line... We saw much more shocking tactics, of course, however, it is still a fine closure of the game, and it is not that very easy to calculate it, this is out of question.

Apr-12-19
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  keypusher: <MissScarlett: The Renaissance was known for a lot of things - its architecture isn't one of them. I never heard anyone say of the Sistine Chapel, <Great ceiling, shame about the painting.>>

Really? The Duomo in Florence? St. Peter's? This trifle from the Loire? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3... Palladio? Anyway, it appears that your quarrel is not with me, but with Richard Reti.

< ughaibu: <I think the best comment is from <aulero> back in 2004. At the end of a nuanced post, he writes, <But it remains one of my favourite games: it seems to me a Renaissance architecture where you cannot move a single stone.>> Don't you think he should have mentioned that the metaphor was pinched from Reti, when talking about Rubinstein?>

Well, I would look a little less silly if he had.

Apr-12-19
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  Diademas: Wikipedia has a long article dedicated to Renaissance architecture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renai...

And before anyone goes *pfh Wikipedia*. So has Encyclopaedia Britannica.

https://www.britannica.com/art/Rena...

Apr-12-19  ughaibu: Keypusher: You don't recall Reti saying of Rubinstein's games that there're like constructions from which not a single stone dare be shifted?
Apr-12-19
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  beatgiant: <ughaibu>
I recall the following: Rubinstein vs Nimzowitsch, 1907 "This well-knit position with its extraordinary economy and ideally posted forces is akin to a Greek work of art. Nothing should have been changed in this position seeped in perfection."
Apr-12-19  JimNorCal: Regardless of the proper metaphor, it's a joy to read fellow chess lovers express their appreciation for this masterpiece.
Apr-12-19
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  keypusher: <ughaibu: Keypusher: You don't recall Reti saying of Rubinstein's games that there're like constructions from which not a single stone dare be shifted?>

I don't. I liked Reti's problems, his potboilers not so much.

Apr-13-19  ughaibu: Beatgiant: Reti, Nimzowitsch, I guess it's the same under some interpretations of hypermodernism.

Keypusher: Fair enough.

Apr-25-19
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  beatgiant: <ughaibu>
You were right about Reti. "His [Rubinstein's] games create the impression of a great structure from which no stone dare be lifted." (from _Modern Ideas in Chess_)
Apr-26-19  ughaibu: Beatgiant: Thanks, nice to know that my memory is reliable, at least on some occasions.
Apr-28-19  N.O.F. NAJDORF: I remember when, in ITV's Duels of the Mind, the late Donald Woods asked whether black could have declined the bishop sacrifice.

Raymond Keene dismissed the idea on the ground that 'the pawn comes to e7 and queens.'

He got it wrong.

It is the white BISHOP that comes to e7 with decisive effect, the Nimzo-Indian's drawback being the weaknesses on Black's dark squares.

Apr-29-19
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  NM JRousselle: I hate to pile on, but I also think this game is somewhat overrated. Botvinnik's win against Alekhine in the R&Kt vs R&Kt ending in this same tournament is a much more impressive game. Yet, somehow, it gets overlooked.
Apr-29-19
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  perfidious: While I have no dog in this particular fight, I agree with <Mr Rousselle> that Botvinnik's win from Alekhine was outstanding and believe the reason was that it was of a rather different character than this game: no pyrotechnics, but a boa constrictor display which would have done the likes of Capablanca, Fischer or Karpov proud.
May-02-19
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  keypusher: <perfidious> <jmrouselle> And my own favorite game of Botvinnik from this tournament, if not this one, is Botvinnik vs Reshevsky, 1938
Jan-18-20
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  Messiah: <MariusDaniel: Absolutely Fantastic chess game,one of the best ever,for sure!> I completely agree. This is still my #1 favourite game in the entire chess history.
Apr-02-20  HarryP: 16.Rae1 thrills my mind; 30.Ba3 thrills my soul.
Apr-29-20  damafe: I don´t understand why Leela Chess Zero can´t find Ba3, but Stockfish does.
Apr-29-20
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  MissScarlett: Caruana in one of his commentary stints on Chess24 said that Leela was strange in that could it miss a mate in 3, but also find ideas that Stockfish couldn't. I suspect many of the top players don't understand nor care to understand the mysteries of chess programming:

(....)

<In science, computing, and engineering, a black box is a device, system or object which can be viewed in terms of its inputs and outputs (or transfer characteristics), without any knowledge of its internal workings. Its implementation is "opaque" (black). Almost anything might be referred to as a black box: a transistor, an engine, an algorithm, the human brain, an institution or government.>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black...

Sep-27-21
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  Messiah: Let me bump this game, as it is one of the best games ever played on the chessboard.
Oct-29-21
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  PawnSac: < Messiah: Let me bump this game, as it is one of the best games ever played on the chessboard. >

How bout if we just say..
Of all the games you've studied, this one impressed you the most.

Oct-30-21  RookFile: Capa was playing this game for the win from the beginning. I'm sure he regretted later not just going into ultra-solid mode and making a draw.
Jul-27-22  parch: Cant believe I've never seen this game before, even 38...Qg6+ exchange loses.
Jul-27-22  sudoplatov: Botvinnik's 16.Rae1 is reminiscent of Marshall's treatment in Marshall vs Rubinstein, 1925.
Jul-27-22  Open Defence: After 17...Ne4 18. Nxe4 dxe4 19. f3 Qd5 20. Ba3 Rad8 21. Qb1 Qa5 22. Bb2 Qxa4


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