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Jul-07-06 | | Ziggy2016: So that's why his name didn't come up!! :rollseyes: I think I am rather like this guy in that I have decided to dedicate my energies to studying chess, not playing it. I feel like there is so much to learn, so much I don't know that I have no business playing chess lol. I play games now only as a training mechanism (i.e, games in particular systems I want to take up, etc). Seriously though if you're 1600+ and willing to do some work get anything you can by this guy. You'll grow into it. He's not like some others, big names too, who put out books just to make money. He's really serious about studying & teaching chess and more importantly he's good at it. Start with his The Instructor column at chesscafe.com (it's free) to get a feel for his style of teaching. Pretty much anything he says you can take to the bank IMO. |
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Nov-17-06 | | Maatalkko: This guys is the best chess trainer in the world. He teaches conscientiously, meaning he doesn't simplify positions so that class players can understand him. <Ziggy> is correct, you can take his work to the bank, because he presents games as GM's would understand them. He won't tell you something half-true so that you have an excuse to play a book move you don't really understand. Many authors, like Reinfeld for example, tell you something that makes sense but isn't really true, just so that an average person can "understand" the position. This makes people think they comprehend a position when in fact they have no clude what's really going on. I got very little out of the few hours I studied one of his books, except that I know literally nothing about the game. It's disheartening for an amateur to realize that nobody below expert level can really understand 90% of chess positions. However, unless players know this they will continue to deny their ignorance and you can't possibly improve like that. Dvoretsky has a proven record of taking 2100s and making them 2500s. He eliminates a person's self-created "blocks" so that they can improve past plateaus. So, although he showed me the tremendous gulf between amateur and master, he also showed me that a player can always improve if he examines his game at a deep level. This conclusion makes sense, because chess is such a deep game that there must always be some way for a player to improve, even if he has been stuck at the same strength for ages. |
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Nov-22-06 | | Larsker: <Okay, Dvoretsky's End Game Manual sounds way too forbidding for a (relative) beginner like me.> I recently bought his End Game Manual in Russian. I read a couple of pages every evening and find it very entertaining. He's not as verbose as other writers (Seirawan, etc), but much more concentrated. I will buy more of his books. |
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Dec-09-06 | | BIDMONFA: Mark Dvoretzky DVORETZKY, Mark
http://www.bidmonfa.com/dvoretzky_m...
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Dec-15-06 | | stanleys: Mark should be awarded the GM title.
I don't think he cares much about it,but this could be a way to thank him for all the contributions he made to chess(it will be certainly much poorer without the enormous work he accomplished)! But even not having his work in mind - he has all to be considered as a GM: the class,the rating and the results(recently discovered some very strong Soviet tournaments in which he played well,but they were not considered by the FIDE) Next year he will celebrate his 60th birthday - I think this is a good opportunity to give him the GM title I am starting a petition here,are you interested?
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Dec-15-06 | | Maatalkko: I will sign any petition but I don't think it would get anywhere unless someone put it on Kirsan Illogicshow's desk. |
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Dec-15-06 | | stanleys: <Maatalkko: I will sign any petition but I don't think it would get anywhere unless someone put it on Kirsan Illogicshow's desk.> I'll send a letter to Kirsan,don't care! |
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Mar-10-07 | | midknightblue: Dvoretzky has a new book out there aimed at players that are a little lower rated than his usual audience. Something about "Future Champions" in the title. I just ordered from amazon and await it''s arrival. It is coauthored, I believe by Yusopov. It was reviewed very recently @ www.chesscafe.com |
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Aug-13-07 | | centercounter: Mark Izrailovich definitely deserves recognition for his results, in addition to his love for teaching and writing. I don't know if a GM title is the way to go, although he might deserve it for results before the "proper" GM Norm structure was in place. It would be nice to see this celebrated in style, perhaps with a tournament including some of his students. Perhaps a big cake "signed" by them with a "THANK YOU" in large letters. Although I'm certainly not in their league, I'd sign such a cake for the entertainment and instruction he has provided over the years. If I buy from a bookseller at a tournament, I ask to see the Dvoretsky books first. |
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Dec-08-07 | | stanleys: Happy birthday Mr Dvoretzky!
Thank you for the wonderful work you've accomplished,which reveals the secrets of the chess game to us. Wish you good health and all the best! |
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Dec-08-07 | | brankat: I'm currently reading M.Dvoretzsky's Endgames Manual. A very fine work. Happy Birthday! |
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Dec-10-07 | | stanleys: Excellent article by Dvoretzky himself about his life,with many interesting pictures (in Russian) http://chesspro.ru/_events/2007/dvo... |
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Jun-11-08 | | ifatkullin: stanleys: Amazing article indeed, highly recommended for anyone knowing Russian! |
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Jun-11-08 | | hitman84: Could anyone knowing Russian please translate it? |
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Jun-11-08 | | humangraymatter: Dvoretsky is my favourite chess writer by far.It would be appreciated if the above article is translated to english. |
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Dec-09-08 | | brankat: Happy Birthday MR.Dvoretsky!
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Dec-12-08 | | whiteshark: Is he the <chess instructor> or is it <Henry Doktorski>
http://www.henrydoktorski.com/chess... ? :D |
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Feb-25-09 | | laskereshevsky: About 15 YA i heard a very young 2450 IM, at the moment is a GM around 2580 saying: "Im studying a Dvoretsky's book, but its hard to me!... i planed to go through for 2/3 weeks, but after 2/3 months im still on it analyzing variations.... but im happy, i think my chess-understanding growed up by this..." I was impressed... if even a strong IM praise a book in this way, how much could help a patzer like me to read them... SO, i bought them, and after about 2 years (!) of more and less intense reading, I was able to play much better then in my past, raising in analyze ability and positional understanding... |
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Nov-03-09 | | Phoenix: If you are a serious student of the game, and are at least 1800-2000 USCF in strength, you simply must get his books. |
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Nov-21-10 | | theagenbiteofoutwit: I've always wondered how strong Dvoretsky would be if he just started playing again. He knows the correct move for a LOT of very difficult positions, plus he wrote the book on endgame technique. I imagine if he recalls all the stuff he writes about, it wouldn't be a problem for him to get a GM title just by winning the Senior World Chess Championship, if they still automatically award the title to the winner. |
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Nov-26-10 | | WiseWizard: Does anyone know the typical defincies he saw in American chess players from his book Secrets Of Chess Training? |
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Dec-09-10 | | brankat: Happy Birthday Mark! |
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Dec-09-10 | | theagenbiteofinwit: <Does anyone know the typical defincies he saw in American chess players from his book Secrets Of Chess Training?> <<<<<<<In the summer of 1991 I gave lessons to some young American players. To my surprise I observed that many of them, when playing important games or meeting more eminent opponents, did not want to play actively and thought only about a draw. Clearly, the result would often turn out directly the opposite-ultra-cautious, passive play usually leads to a worsening of the position.>>>>>> He then analyzes some games by Chris Talbert, Stan Garber, and Josh Waitzkin to support his argument. He concludes <<<<<<<Now I will express my version of events. In America parents begin closely following the competetive achievements of their children from their very first steps in chess. Too much emphasis, even in junior competitions, is given to ratings, prizes, isolated successes in games with strong opponents, and so on. Such an approach is of course passed on to the children, and they try to give their paents joy and boast to the contemporaries about any current successes. For the sake of momentary successes they become cautious. Alas, the result sometimes turns out just the opposite and, more important, it sharply slows the creative growth of the children.An improvement process is only effective when the work is done with a future aim. This means that trainers should teach young players to sensibly combine fighting for successes in competitions and experimenting and taking creative risks. The fostering of a depressing pragmatism from early childhood cannot be good> >>>>>> |
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Dec-09-10 | | Jim Bartle: Interesting comments, a good explanation of why many top teenage players never reach the top levels, why players lesser known when younger pass them by. |
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