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| Oct-08-03 | | Diggitydawg: I'm suprised that no one has kibitzed about this man. <Chessgames.com> Is this the proper spelling of his name? In all his books, it's spelled Dvoretsky.
He has an interesting proposal about eliminating the draw offer: http://www.gmsquare.com/dvoretskydr...
I think he has a point. What would football fans do if the Steelers and the Broncos agreed on a draw at half-time? It's only in chess that we have the draw offer. |
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Oct-09-03
 | | Honza Cervenka: See http://www.chesslive.de/scripts/ser... |
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| Oct-09-03 | | AdrianP: He should tell chesslive.de (=chessbase.com) that he's now apparently a GM... see Karpov vs Sax, 1983 |
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| Oct-09-03 | | AdrianP: He should also tell FIDE...!
http://www.fide.com/ratings/card.ph... |
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| Jul-16-04 | | foodfight: Can anybody post a copy of the game Dvoretsky - Tataev dicussed by Dvoretsky in his July 14 Chess Cafe column? |
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| Aug-03-04 | | aw1988: No notable games for Dvoretsky? |
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Dec-28-04
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Born 9th December 1947 in Moscow
He was Moscow champion in 1973 and awarded the IM title in 1975.
He is also a noted trainer and author. |
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| Feb-28-05 | | aw1988: chessgames does not have Dvoretsky under Dvoretsky, but only the Russian version. |
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| May-10-05 | | Nickisimo: Very strange that for a GM he has so few games listed on here. His books and columns are top notch. Perhaps he didn't play much because he so focused on his chess writing. I think this is true of many great chess authors. Reinfeld, Chernev, etc. |
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| May-10-05 | | maoam: <Nikisimo>
He's an IM. And I think the effectiveness of his training methods is best illustrated by the games of his students, particularly Alexey Dreev and Artur Yusupov. |
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| Aug-04-05 | | AdrianP: Dvoretsky's giving a lecture at the London Chess Centre 23/8/05 http://www.chesscenter.com/markdvor... |
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| Aug-04-05 | | Caissanist: Has anyone here read any of his books? I'm particularly interested in how his endgame manual compares to others. Btw, on Amazon (and, apparently, most other sites) his name is spelled Dvoretsky, as implied above. |
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| Aug-04-05 | | acirce: I have read most of his books, they are excellent but demand a lot of the reader and are suited for relatively high-level players. I'm 2000+ and some of it goes way over my head. But that varies a bit from book to book, although clearly none of them are for beginners or even the average club player. The same goes for his Endgame Manual. John Watson said it best: <I must emphasize that this is a terribly advanced work that I don't think is a very good way for the average player to study the endgame. The majority of the examples are complex and position-specific, and neither the average student nor even strong masters will follow or play over most of the hundreds of positions that are given extensive analysis, not to mention the subvariations derived from those positions. Even when introducing 'the basics', Dvoretsky's approach is often more complex than is necessary for an average student, and in any case such a thick book will seldom be used for the sake of elementary instruction. The majority of the other material is frankly very difficult. So take note: I don't want to be blamed, in praising this book, for your purchasing something that you find intimidating, relatively dull, or otherwise unsatisfying. That said, if you are up to a real challenge and have a great deal of time to devote to reading and playing over examples you will inevitably derive great value from this work.> http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/jwatson... |
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| Aug-04-05 | | ThomYorke: <Caissanist> I have all the books of School of Chess Excellence. The number 2, tactical play, I think it´s a good book for players who have already read My System. However, even if you are about 1500+ you can learn too much reading this book. You really improve your game reading it. |
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Aug-04-05
 | | Gypsy: <Caissanist> I recently 'snatched' a few book of the series from my father. I am particular to the "Positional Play" and "Technique" books -- stuff that I like. To put it in college terms, Dvoretsky's books would comprise a graduate-level program, but they are not PhD-level research monograps. |
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| Aug-04-05 | | gotgat54: Okay, Dvoretsky's End Game Manual sounds way too forbidding for a (relative) beginner like me. So what's an alternative? High school level. Would appreciate some advice. I have Paul Keres' Practical Chess Endings, which is very lucid but limited in the types of endings covered. On a much higher plane I have Polugayevsky's Grandmaster Preparation, in which he deeply analyses numerous adjourned positions - very insightful. I seem to recall that Max Euwe wrote an end-game manual, I recall seeing it somewhere as a kid, and it seemed very complete and comprehensive. Advice, please. Especially for K+Pawn(s), and K+Rook(s). |
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| Aug-04-05 | | who: James C Howell has a book essential chess endings which is a good book. As the book progresses it gets a little worse, but even so it's a great book. Flear's endgame manual is the reverse - it gets better as the book goes along. |
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Aug-04-05
| | Gypsy: <gotgat54> I am hardly a typical example as, growing up in eastern block, one had to take what was available. I found a pawn-endgame monograph by E. Richter somewhere in the attick and thus I cut my teeth by trying to solve studies by N. D. Grigoriev. That is a full on, PhD-level stuff; endgames do not get much harder, subtler, or beautiful than studies of Grigoriev. First, you ought to realize that there are two types of endgame proficiency: in theoretical endgames, and in technical (strategic) endgames. The former is a "tablebase type of stuff" with very exact, enumeratively tactical, tempo work; the latter is simply stuff "too big for tablebases" and for enumerative treatment in general. Thus it is much more intuitive and strategic. Of the books currently available on the market I'd recommend the following set, in the given order: (0) Glen Flear: "Test Your Endgame Thinking",
(1) Ian Snape: "Chess Endings Made Simple",
(2) K. Muelller & F. Lamprecht: "Secrets of Pawn Endings",
(3) Nikolay Minev: "A practical Guide to Rook Endgames", and
(4) Jacob Aagaard: "Excelling at Technical Chess".
If you get through these, you will have expert-or-better proficiency (much better, I think :-)) in both types of endgames. Flear (0) is a collection of endgames of all types and flavors. It will serve you as a good motivation of endgame work, and a test suite of your skill level. Snape (1) is the basic endgame stuff. He made it as simple and clear as I ever saw it anywhere. If there was one endgame reference book to take to a desert island, this is it! Extra study of pawn endgames (2), and of rook endgames (3), repays most handsomely. And then it is, all sheets into the wind, to technical chess (4). I like Aagaard, but Dvoretsky's "Technique for the Tournament Player" is certainly certainly as good; perhaps just a nudge more advanced and rough. (There is just no freshman-level book on technique I realy like. Best freshman technique book may be A. Soltis: "Turning Advantage into Victory in Chess".) By the way, for an encyclopedic, theoretical endgame reference I would also wholehartedly recommend Prandstetter & Balashov: "Sachove Koncovky", but I am not sure if the book exists in English translation. |
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| Aug-04-05 | | euripides: Another very good book is Mueller and Lamprecht's 'Fundamental chess endings', but I think the level may be similar to Dvoretsky's manual (anyone know both books ?). They do cover the basic endings but go into some pretty advanced stuff and I think beginners might easily get lost. That said, these books should perhaps be dipped into rather than read at a single go - they can make good bedside material when one's had enough Pushkin. |
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| Aug-04-05 | | arielbekarov: <Endgame Strategy by Mikhail Shereshevsky> is one book I fully can recommend. I study it now together with Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual. If you go to my profile you can then click on the game <Reti vs Romanovsky, Moscow, 1925>. I have quoted from the book so you can get an idea. It would be interesting to get you all over there for comments. Like acirce said the books by Mark Dvoretsky are very demanding but they give enormously much. There are a lot of things that I don't understand today, but perhaps the day after tomorrow. Visit the Réti vs Romanovsky game!
Ariel |
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| Aug-04-05 | | DutchDunce: For the beginner I highly recommend Seirawan's book "Winning Chess Endings." It covers tons of useful cases. The simple K+P vs K, Lucena, Philidor, what pawns draw against which pieces, etc. It'll even show you how to mate with B+N and ends with some thoughts on the maddening Q-vs-R ending. Plus, I love Seirawan's writing style. You can tell there's a real human being behind the writing. Some people find that little touch unnecessary; for me, it is essential. |
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| Aug-07-05 | | Caissanist: Many thanks for all the excellent responses. I'm going to check out Seirawan and one or two of the other books before I even think about tackling the Dvoretsky CD (not the book). |
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| Aug-19-05 | | jahhaj: Dvoretsky will be the special guest on next weeks ChessBase radio program. At least that's what I think I heard them say last week. |
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| Dec-09-05 | | aw1988: Happy birthday Mark!! SUCH a teacher. |
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| Apr-01-06 | | Karpyan: I think Dvoretsky should have a lot more kibitzing but his name is spelt wrong - I had to look it up in the player database. |
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