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| Dec-20-07 | | Riverbeast: <It wasn't a serious comment> The part about inbred royals and aristocracy was true, though, even if you meant it as a joke...They were not just inbred, but mostly pederasts as well |
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| Dec-20-07 | | Strongest Force: MichAdams, the difference between me and you, in regards to the Waitzkins and Kasparov, is that i am speaking from "hands-on" experience while you're making-up stuff as you go along. Almost everytime Kaspy came to NYC, him and the Waitzkins got together. Usually, Gary had a bag of goodies (like Santa Claus) of which he generously gave to them which in turn they gave to myself and others. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | RookFile: Look at it this way. Mich had a relative named Sam Adams. Some people mistakenly thought Sam Adams was a patriot, but those who know better know that the best beer in America comes from him. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | Riverbeast: < Merry stereotypes and happy generalisations to you my good fellow> MichAdams deals in stereotypes and generalizations...I just thought it was time for him to receive some of what he's dishing out |
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| Dec-20-07 | | Tomlinsky: <Riverbeast: MichAdams deals in stereotypes and generalizations...I just thought it was time for him to receive some of what he's dishing out> Hehe, fair enough. Actually, I can't type for laughing at the moment. Back in a bit, give him some stick. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | Shams: <To be honest, I can't quite remember how I came to form that impression, though I understand that Kasparov wasn't entirely happy with his portrayal in Mortal Games, even though, to the neutral observer, it verges on the hagiographic.> maybe that was his problem-- it merely <verged> on hagiography. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | MichAdams: By way of digression, let me mention an important difference between America and Britain, as regards chess. Britons too wanted to play chess but didn't have the time nor energy to properly dedicate themselves thereof. Small matters, such as the Industrial Revolution and building history's greatest empire, took precedence. That's why many, if not most, of Britain's leading players in the 19th century were clergymen. They practically only worked one day a week, so had plenty of spare time in which to practice and, thereby, get good. It also explains why a Staunton-Morphy match never took place. While Morphy was an effeminate dilettante who lived off his family's fortune, Staunton was a self-made man of letters and business, who only became the de facto world chess champion as his hobby. Although, undoubtedly charged with competitive zeal for battle, Staunton realised that a major match with Morphy would disrupt his life to an intolerable extent and so, reluctantly, prevaricated until Morphy got bored and sailed for home. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | Strongest Force: RiverBeast, it's good that you're young otherwise you might be in danger from the high blood-pressure MichAdams is giving you! he he ;) |
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| Dec-20-07 | | Shams: <MichAdams> what utter rot. Honestly I don't think I've ever read so many absurdities in one tiny paragraph. You would have us believe the contemporaries of Staunton and Bird were shoveling coal 14 hours a day? Scarcely in history have so many people had so much free time on their hands as the English gentry did in Victorian England. There was indeed an Industrial Revolution, but check this out: *not everyone was doing the hard labor*. Not for nothing did Marx pick England to illustrate this fact. Walking Zombie Jesus, bro, but that is really daft. And Staunton couldn't have ducked Morphy any more egregiously if he had worn Groucho glasses and moved to Argentina. You = buffoon. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | MichAdams: <MichAdams, the difference between me and you, in regards to the Waitzkins and Kasparov, is that i am speaking from "hands-on" experience while you're making-up stuff as you go along.> I require neither the reflected glory of hanging onto Kasparov's coat-tails nor the authentic feel of New York's sweaty chess milieu (one, it must be said, almost entirely comprised of foreigners) to speak with authority on matters of chess. <Almost everytime Kaspy came to NYC, him and the Waitzkins got together.> And what time-frame do you speak of?
<Usually, Gary had a bag of goodies (like Santa Claus) of which he generously gave to them which in turn they gave to myself and others.> I'm glad we've established your position in the food chain. Next level down: cg.com members. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | acirce: <If America is YOUR product, then why does Britain, OUR little lap dogs, do everything that we do in foreign policy, like good little byotches...you know, those poodles in delicate little sweaters? You all talk of the 'special relationship' between America and Britain? Well, that's what the special relationship looks like, on this 'side of the pond'...Keep licking your daddy's boots, England...Because your empire is no more, we all know you desperately need to hang on to our coattails... so you can pretend that you're still relevant. We OWN you, England. You know it and we know it.> Pathetic. At least <MichAdams>, like his earlier incarnations, is funny. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | RookFile: It was great how Staunton urged Morphy to come over to Europe to prove himself, and then refused to play him. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | Tomlinsky: <RookFile: It was great how Staunton urged Morphy to come over to Europe to prove himself, and then refused to play him.> They didn't call him Howard the Duck without good reason. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | MichAdams: But Morphy did prove himself, so it shows what wise counsel that Staunton did give. And by wisely, if reluctantly, not acceding to a match with Morphy, even to the extent of giving the false impression that he was in any way in awe/fear of him, Staunton, subsequently, in good part, created the legend of Morphy. Because, understand that, contemporaneously, no-one really gave a hoot whether the two men played a chess match at all. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | Strongest Force: Mr. MichAdams, because you were disingenuous about "the food chain" i wont give you a time frame on the meetings. Anyways, my point about the matter is that based on past history, how can anyone (like yourself, especially) know that Kasparov is no longer friends with the Waitzkins? Their friendship was too great for it to be in the pits today. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | MichAdams: <Pathetic.>
Well, Americans, as a rule, are not amusing. That's why most of their comedians are Jewish. And Australians are even worse. Worse than Americans, I mean. Not worse than Jews. Because that could be taken to imply that Jews are themselves less than perfect, which is something that I would never want to be accused of doing. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | MichAdams: <Anyways, my point about the matter is that based on past history, how can anyone (like yourself, especially) know that Kasparov is no longer friends with the Waitzkins?> I don't believe I ever said that I knew it for a fact. I said I doubted it and that it was an impression based on certain indistinct, fragmentary recollections. If you have first hand knowledge of a thriving relationship between Kasparov and the Waitzkins after the year 1990, then let's hear it. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | Strongest Force: Ok, because i know that you, MichAdams, and other loyal CG.com people are on the edge of your seats, i will throw you a bone. :) I kept in touch with Josh until about 10 years ago. I would talk chess with him and say hello to the rest of his family. I am the one that talked him into trying online chess but told him to be on-guard because people at the ICC were nosey-hacking-bandits who would like nothing better than to steal important material he was working on. We talked about other things and sometimes Fred and Josh would tell me about their travels to big tournaments that Kasparov was playing in. They were amongst a handful of people that were treated like family by Gary; because Gary was "the big cheese" and because the Waitzkins were always with him, it opened the door for young Josh to meet other greats like Anand. Josh was like the kid in the candy store and was able to hang with guys like Vishy and Gary as if they were brothers: going out to eat with them, playing ping pong, ect. I actually helped Josh prepare for his last US junior tournament. They told me some stuff about Mortal Games but i dont recall what was said. The relationship between Gary and the Waitzkins seemed to be pretty strong. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | the bad bishop: <Mich Adams> <and Australians are even worse> I am Australian and there is no doubt we have louts and simpletons, just like every other nation (and this site). We also have some of the best comedians (a very dry, droll sense of humour is a common thread - not understood by many others). Whilst the massive, pointless, generalisations both you and <Riverbeast> are making are consistent with much of the self serving drivel that passes as "educated banter" at ChessGames, why don't you just agree to disagree and go back to whatever each of you do when you are actually being productive. By the way, whilst America is the dominant world power at the moment (which, I would suspect, has little to do with you being part of it <Riverbeast>), that will (as world history shows us) change. Indeed, it already is changing. Rome, Great Britian, the US, and many other on a lesser scale all get their chance and then the world moves on. A little humility whilst basking in the reflected glory of the efforts of others is generally a good policy. All the best to all of you for Christmas. I will be enjoying crayfish (lobster), prawns (shrimp) and other sea food delicacies in 38 C (100 F) summer sun! Isn't the world an interesting place! |
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| Dec-20-07 | | MichAdams: Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest? |
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| Dec-20-07 | | MichAdams: <They were amongst a handful of people that were treated like family by Gary; because Gary was "the big cheese" and because the Waitzkins were always with him, it opened the door for young Josh to meet other greats like Anand. Josh was like the kid in the candy store and was able to hang with guys like Vishy and Gary as if they were brothers: going out to eat with them, playing ping pong, ect. > For the last time: Did this kinship extend beyond 1990? |
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| Dec-20-07 | | Strongest Force: Didn't i say i last talked to him 10 years ago? Go figure it out, mr. rudeness. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | Riverbeast: My apologies, I'm not usually nationalistic, even though what I said about Britain being our lap dogs (and pederasty being common among their aristocracy) is true...and the more I read MichAdams, the more I realize that someone that ignorant just lives to get under your skin. Like your namesake, MichAdams, you are a byotch for non-Europeans like Kasparov....Similar to what Mayweather did to your boy Hatton last week...if you were in jail, you would be what they call 'bait' |
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| Dec-20-07 | | square dance: <Pathetic. At least <MichAdams>, like his earlier incarnations, is funny.> this, ladies and gentleman, is a good study in bias. you have two kibitzers, both making ridiculous nationalistic comments and <acirce> only finds one of them "pathetic". not to mention siding with someone who has previously been banned for trollish behavior. |
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| Dec-20-07 | | Riverbeast: Acirce seems to have a beef with me, square dance...He once called me a "shameless liar" for no valid reason |
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