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| Dec-07-06 | | s4life: <slomarko: <TIMER> ok then what are Kournikova's great achivements in tennis?> didn't she (Kournikova) reached the grand slam semi finals a couple of times? can A. Caolli claim similar achievements in chess? |
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| Dec-07-06 | | slomarko: <s4life> she reached the semis once and i dont remember her beating any important player |
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| Dec-07-06 | | s4life: still considering that tennis is a much more competitive sport than chess , reaching the semis in a grand slam is comparable to getting in the best of 4 round in any chess world cup... hardly something Caolli can achieve. |
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| Dec-07-06 | | slomarko: <still considering that tennis is a much more competitive sport than chess>
i disagree! more people play chess than tennis. again who has Kournikova beat? |
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| Dec-07-06 | | Plato: <slomarko> Kournikova reached #7 in the world in Women's tennis. Caoili was never even close to the top 50 in women's chess. Her current rating is in the 2100s. For Caoili to say the comparison to Kournikova is <"absurd"> because <"first of all, I can play chess,"> is not only insulting but also just plain wrong. Kournikova achieved much more in tennis than Caoili has achieved in chess. She may not have been a great women's tennis player, but for Caoili to make that arrogant comment -- indicating that she can play chess better than Kournikova plays tennis -- is just stupid. And if you honestly think it's easier to achieve a top 7 ranking in women's tennis than in women's chess, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. Think of how many professional women's tennis players there are and compare that to the number of professional women's chess players. Think of the money involved in women's tennis and compare it to women's chess. As for your "argument" that men outclass women more in tennis than in chess ... well of course, that's because tennis is a physical game. So what? Nothing follows from that. By your argument, it is harder to be in the top ten in women's chess than in ANY physical women's sport, simply because women are not physically as strong as men. This makes absolutely no sense. |
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| Dec-07-06 | | Plato: <Jonathan Sarfati> it's a matter of whether she honestly thought that childhood dance lessons even counted, if she even remembered them when put on the spot.> It's not only childhood dance lessons. A few people came forward saying that she was in a Salsa class just months before the show, and her mother even admitted it. |
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| Dec-07-06 | | slomarko: <Plato> women tennis few years ago wasnt nearly as competitive as it is today. i'm asking for the third time who has Kuornikova beat? |
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| Dec-07-06 | | arifattar: Obviously the WTA promoted Kournikova. That's what sells women's tennis. |
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| Dec-07-06 | | Plato: <slomarko> You don't need to ask us, it's not that hard to look it up. Look at the facts: Kournikova was ranked #7 in the world. Caoili was never even close to the top 50. And yet she has the gumption to insult Kournikova and praise herself with her ridiculous comment. Give me a break. Do you honestly think that Caoili and her tremendous 2100 rating are comparable to Kournikova's achievements in women's tennis?! Yes, Kournikova was active in women's tennis just a few years ago, and -- sorry to burst your bubble -- it was EXTREMELY competitive, far more so than women's chess. You are apparently not a fan of women's tennis or you would know that. |
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| Dec-07-06 | | babakova: Arianne Caoili is not comparable to Kournikova.
I do think that chess is more competitive than tennis though. |
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| Dec-07-06 | | Plato: <babakova> We're talking specifically about women's chess and women's tennis. You think that women's chess is more competitive than women's tennis? |
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| Dec-07-06 | | babakova: <You think that women's chess is more competitive than women's tennis?> No. What I meant, even if it is not relevant to the discussion or made clear in any way in my earlier post, is that I think chess is a more competitive sport/game than tennis. |
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| Dec-07-06 | | slomarko: <Plato> yes far more competitive. and you have to work much harder than just hit a ball for an hour or two |
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| Dec-07-06 | | slomarko: <slomarko> she was asked if she was the Kournikova of chess what should she have said? |
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| Dec-07-06 | | slomarko: De gustibus non est disputandum. |
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| Dec-07-06 | | Plato: <slomarko> She could have said many things. She did not have to be arrogant and insulting. Her answer was <"That's absurd. Firstly, I can play chess."> That kind of an answer was unwarranted, since Caoili hasn't come close to the level in women's chess that Kournikova reached in women's tennis. <slomarko: yes far more competitive. and you have to work much harder than just hit a ball for an hour or two> If that comment was intended as being sarcastic, well, it shouldn't be. You think <hitting a ball for an hour or two> is enough to reach #7 in the world in women's tennis? Think again. |
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| Dec-07-06 | | TIMER: She is lucky that no-one challenged her on her chess status- that could have been far more embarrassing if they realised that she was not really a 'chess proffessional' (you have to be much stronger to earn a living from playing chess) |
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| Dec-07-06 | | Plato: Not only that, she was repeatedly called a Grandmaster and not once did she deny it and set the record straight. |
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| Dec-07-06 | | the bad bishop: <Plato> what should she do - write to the newspapers and ask them to print a correction and demand they provide a few precious column inches on the norms required to be a GM? Yep, they would sure be interested in that. Or in a 30 second TV grab perhaps she should spend most of it correcting the interviewer. The journalists don't care whether she is a GM or not - its all puffery and she would look like an idiot if she tried to correct them. I doubt she has ever asserted she is a GM. She is also obviously trying to make a name for herself in the media and perhaps develop a career. Wouldn't we all do the same if the alternative was to play chess tournaments for peanuts. So - lighten up! The chess world knows she isn't a GM, she knows she isn't a GM and no one else cares. |
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| Dec-08-06 | | Plato: <the bad bishop> I'm not talking about the journalism, which is another story altogether. This happened on the show "Dancing With the Stars." They repeatedly called her a "Grandmaster" on the show when they were asking her questions, and it would have taken two or three words to correct them. |
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| Dec-08-06 | | the bad bishop: <Plato> Yes, I saw it myself on TV and know what happened. I am no great "fan" of hers, but I stand by my previous comments. |
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| Dec-08-06 | | code13: Kournakova was number 8 in singles and number 1 in doubles (singles are not everything in tennis). Caolli is nowhere near to being number 8 in women's chess. Kournakova never won a major singles tournament (although she did win a number of doubles majors) but neither has Caolli. |
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| Dec-08-06 | | sitzkrieg: <slomarko> much more equal but still not equal i'm afraid. |
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| Dec-08-06 | | s4life: <slomarko> There is a lot more money in tennis than in chess... that's reason enough to make tennis more competitive. For example, there is a lot more money for a PENN graduate in medicine, law or finance, i.e. that makes those majors a lot more competitive than say, gardening and english in some community college. |
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| Dec-08-06 | | slomarko: <s4life> what do you think it takes more work to reach a top level in tennis or in chess? |
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