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Jun-21-05 | | vonKrolock: Yes, <Calli> :-) - And people that are eighty today, were still childs then: No children at sight in the photo, so actually very few - so the say - survivors... |
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Jun-25-05 | | vonKrolock: Two Games more that confirms some of my conclusions: L Steiner vs Paul Vaitonis, 1933 and K Havasi vs L Abramavicius, 1933 <Among the other lituanians – they are turned to apear in the photo - we can see the 2th and 3th : they’re young: Vaitonis , Vistanekis, Luckis and Abramavicius in this order where the lithuanians in the Folkestone Olimpics.> so the Steiner's Game (as white in the 2th board and Havasi also as white vs Abramavicius, the invisible (in the photo) Lithuanian Lilienthal impressive score as 5th board (reserve) for the Hungarian Team in Folkestone 1933 was +7 =6 -0 - < undefeated and with 76.9%> in the base we find only the following:
. Lilienthal vs P Devos 1-0 32 1933 Olympiad E17 Queen's Indian
6. K Berndtsson Kullberg vs Lilienthal 0-1 51 1933 Olympiad C00 French Defense
7. Lilienthal vs K Skalicka 1-0 77 1933 Olympiad D11 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
8. Lilienthal vs R F Combe 1-0 31 1933 Olympiad E16 Queen's Indian
9. Duchamp vs Lilienthal 0-1 37 1933 Olympiad D69 Queen's Gambit Declined, Orthodox Defense, Classical, 13.de
10. Lilienthal vs W R Hasenfuss 1-0 27 1933 Olympiad A43 Old Benoni |
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Jul-03-05 | | vonKrolock: Yes, the Game appearing behind Maroczy is really Sultan Khan vs Alekhine <!!>,
the remaining Game from the Hungary vs Lithuania match is Vistaneckis 1/2 vs 1/2 Vajda - scoresheet or register currently missing, as from many Games in this Tournament... - source: http://www.olimpbase.org/1933/1933f...
<still some doubtfull points: Winter instead of Thomas in the 2th board in the Great Britain vs France match etc> |
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Jul-13-05 | | Nebraskaknight: re: Fischer (from Pawnsome);
He was no doubt one of the top 5 and in many cases top 3. But, the greatest player of all ... if one is cautious and observant, one realizes that there is some degree of relativity to the "all-greatness". For example: 1) Morphy, yes of course there was less powerful opposition in those days, yet he knew every content of the Louisiana Law Code book and became an attorney. 2) Capablanca, things were more complicated here and yet he had the ability to "switch off" after playing hundreds of games. He did not even study the game and times were tougher in those war days. 3) the Soviet machine, yes they were back up by the "system", but they still were eachothers opponent and living in that harsh country in those days it wasn't easy. Also, the vast majority of these Soviet (and non-Soviets) went to the university and worked (and had other activities to add to their agenda). Fischer always played against the top players (esp. from the USSR)and of course he knew his opponents. He spent time with them. Plus he was too demanding (in many ways it benefits the modern player, but that's not the current argument) ..which means he was not as adaptable as his opponents were. It entails, a weakness. Kasparov and Kramnik already surpassed him in so many ways. Remember, that Fischer ran away when he found himself about to face Karpov, another with an extraordinary amount of guts (and with one of the highest practical results all across the board). Yes, Fischer is up there, but he is NOT the greatest. |
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Jul-14-05 | | vonKrolock: <OlimpBase> on-line data confirms that the 5th Round was the only one in wich Lilienthal rested, and the distribution of boards in the HUN vs LIT match; but there are surely some discrepancies in the match behind in the photo: The Games according to registers where:
<Great Britain 1½ : 2½ France FRA Sultan Khan 0 - 1 Alekhine
Winter ½ - ½ Betbeder Matibet
Michell ½ - ½ Duchamp
Alexander ½ - ½ Voisin> source http://www.olimpbase.org/1933/1933f... But from the photo is clear that:
* Thomas is in the 2th board (is impossible to confound his very characteristic profile - white hairs and tanned skin included - with W. Winter's ...) ** The french 3th board is NOT Duchamp
*** The english 4th board (blond, mustached and with glasses) is NOT Alexander INVERTING the 3th and 4th boards maybe solve part of the problem: So Alexander (in the 3th board) and Duchamp (in the 4th) are invisible because of the Lilienthal-column, Michell (the blond englishman) is in the 4th board; and the 3th frenchman (short, with a round face, <with lighter hairs combed backwards, and could be an eastern-european> is Voisin; Thomas played in the 2th board (or he simply was seating in Winter's chair in the moment of the camera-shot <?!>
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Oct-23-05 | | Caissanist: <Interesting last living person to have played Lasker. Out of curiosity anyone know who the last living person to have played Steinitz was?> Probably Paul Lipke, who gave up tournament chess in 1898 but lived until 1955. |
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Oct-23-05
 | | LIFE Master AJ: A fan recently sent me an e-mail ... asling me what I thought of this player. (His place in chess history?) To be honest, I hadn't given it a thought. (See http://www.chessmetrics.com for a look at his peak rating.) However, he might be the LAST living person who represents a link to some of the greatest players who ever lived. (Capa, Botvinnik, etc.) I truly hope he writes a book about his life and games. (I would buy it!) When he is gone, I am afraid a great deal of chess history might pass into the shadows of forgetfulness ... ... ... |
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Oct-23-05 | | ughaibu: A "fan" of what? |
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Oct-24-05 | | hayton3: I was not aware that electrical appliances could converse. |
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Oct-24-05 | | Daodejing: @Life Master AJ
Lilienthal wrote a book in 1988: "Schach war mein Leben" (Chess was my life) I don't know, if there is an english version.
DDJ |
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Oct-24-05 | | PizzatheHut: <ughaibu> I'm sure he means a fan of himself and his website. He's extrememly proud of his website. |
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Oct-24-05 | | ughaibu: I see, thanks for responding. |
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Oct-25-05 | | Resignation Trap: <LIFE Master AJ> There is a book in english of his games: http://www.bcmchess.co.uk/reviews/b... . |
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Oct-26-05
 | | LIFE Master AJ: Dao >> I had never seen this book, maybe 'Chess Cafe' carries it. |
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Oct-26-05
 | | chancho: <AJ> I know you have been getting hammered by us in this site for quite a while,But I sincerily hope that Wilma did not do any untold damage to your property,and that your family is doing well. |
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Oct-26-05 | | you vs yourself: <AJ> I share everyone's concern on this site and I hope that all of Florida will get back on its feet quickly. |
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Nov-05-05
 | | LIFE Master AJ: I never found the book (mentioned above) at Amazon or from an American dealer. |
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Jan-06-06 | | BIDMONFA: Andre Lilienthal LILIENTHAL, Andor
http://www.bidmonfa.com/lilienthal_...
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Feb-19-06
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Feb-19-06 | | ughaibu: WTHarvey: Could you upload the game for the first position, please. |
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Apr-18-06 | | DeepBlade: I always confuse Andor Lilienthal with Otto Lilienthal. I saw Otto once on Discovery, but they didnt mention his chess career! Well, afterwards it appeared he wasnt the Lilienthal I thought. Otto Lilienthal (23 May 1848 – 10 August 1896), the German "Glider King", was a pioneer of human aviation. He is often credited with building the first successful human-carrying glider, the Derwitzer Glider in 1891 Lilienthal suffered a number of crashes in his experiments, but his glider could only reach low speeds and altitudes. On 9 August 1896, a gust of wind fractured his wing and he fell from a height of 17 m (56 ft), breaking his spine. He died the next day, saying, "Opfer müssen gebracht werden!" ("Sacrifices must be made!") His famous quote: ''To invent an airplane is nothing. To build one is something. But to fly is everything.'' Source: Wikipedia |
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Apr-18-06 | | paladin at large: <He is often credited with building the first successful human-carrying glider> Successful? Actually, science owes a great deal to Otto Lilienthal, since by getting killed on his maiden voyage he proved that flying is dangerous. |
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May-05-06 | | dakgootje: <he proved that flying is dangerous.> so he was truly important for flying history ;-) Today this old man can celebrate his 95th birthday... thats OLD... Must be cool to be him, to have played all those dead guys ;-) |
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May-05-06 | | LoFarkas: <Successful? Actually, science owes a great deal to Otto Lilienthal, since by getting killed on his maiden voyage he proved that flying is dangerous.> BS. He flew 2000+ times succesfully with that thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_L... |
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May-05-06 | | Raskolnikov: Andre Lilienthal turns 95 today!! Happy birthday! |
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