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Apr-29-05
 | | BishopBerkeley: A tiny picture of Mr. Lilienthal at age 90 may be seen here: http://www.newinchess.com/Magazine/... (: ♗B :) |
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| May-05-05 | | duchamp64: Liliental is 94 today! The oldest great player still alive with links to the top players of the early 20th century. He played both Lasker and Capablanca. |
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| May-05-05 | | paladin at large: <He played both Lasker and Capablanca.> I assume he is the last person alive who beat Capablanca. |
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| May-05-05 | | iron maiden: According to <Benzol>, he's also the last living person to have met every world champion from Lasker to Kasparov. |
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| May-05-05 | | Maroczy: Anyone have Andre's address so we can send him card/s? |
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| May-12-05 | | vonKrolock: Writing on the so-called Soviet Chess School in the late 50's, Kotov & Yudovich atributes Lilienthal's "uneven results" to a "bad knowledge of the training methods of the Soviet players, which Botvinnik said are 'our best weapon'" <Note: being an 'emigrée', Lilienthal could be pointed out as someone that had not from craddle the 'more desired virtues of the perfect Soviet citizen' (as they would say), perhaps...>
Further: "Another defect of Lilientahl is the little attention which he lends to his physical form <(!)>, with the result that, in many championships, he could not support until the end the tension of the fight"
<NOTES: a)<The late writer (Kotov - (1913-1981) was younger than Lilienthal...) could not then explain Andrei Arnoldovich's longevity under the light of the Soviet methods...> b) The book have any indication of the identity of the Youdovich (father or son) - more probably the father (born 1911) c) machine translation from a French version: "Un autre défaut de Lilientahl est le peu d'attention qu'il prête à sa forme physique, ce qui fait que, dans plusiers championnats, il n'a pu soutenir jusqu'au bout la tension de la lutte" <Maroczy>: <Anyone have Andre's address so we can send him card/s?>>
Mark Dvoretski, chesscafe.com colunist, Andor L's friend and neighbour, is one that is in closer touch with him <Lilienthal> Happy 95'th Year!!! |
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| May-30-05 | | mack: Blink or you'll miss it: a good chessbase article on Lilienthal's birthday. http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... "Olga and Andor plan to celebrate his 95th birthday with 200 guests from all over the world. Lilienthal would like to invite all his chess friends to Budapest." That's a bit optimistic isn't it? |
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| May-30-05 | | Dionyseus: <mack> I liked the article as well. I hope I will have enough energy to live as long and healthy as Lilienthal. |
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| May-30-05 | | hintza: This man is just fantastic! |
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| May-30-05 | | WMD: I understand Fischer fell out with Lilienthal when Fischer's name was put onto a letter to FIDE delegates supporting the re-election of Illyumzhinov, 'the man of the 21st century', in 1996. Lilienthal, apparently, receives a pension from FIDE. |
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| May-30-05 | | Sourav: Lilienthal recently turned 94! Here's wishing him a Very Happy Birthday and Best Wishes! |
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| May-30-05 | | Mameluk: Lilienthal looks great in his age, I wish him another 6 happy years. And his dog looks almost the same as my dog!! |
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| May-30-05 | | Pawsome: Here's an interesting quote from the Chess Base article on Lilienthal "Lilienthal believes that Fischer is absolutely the best chess player of all times. He says that the proof for this is that the lone autodidact Fischer overcame the entire Russian chess imperium." The fact that he has beaten 10 world champs gives the oldest GM's opinion some weight. |
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| May-30-05 | | WMD: He's played 10 world champions. |
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| May-30-05 | | shortsight: <Pawnsome> As WMD put it, he played 10 world champions, in the process beaten a few, but not 10. <mack: ... That's a bit optimistic isn't it?> Or is it that you're a bit pessimistic? 94 doesn't meeans his life journey is about to end. The world oldest stands at 120+ years. He's only at 78% of maximum potential. |
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| Jun-14-05 | | Eopithecus: Interesting last living person to have played Lasker. Out of curiosity anyone know who the last living person to have played Steinitz was? |
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| Jun-14-05 | | Jamespawn: Did he play 10 Champions or meet 10 Champions?
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Jun-14-05
 | | Benzol: He MEET or PLAYED 12 World Champions. |
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| Jun-14-05 | | iron maiden: I would think that you'd have to meet them to play them. |
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Jun-15-05
| | Benzol: <iron maiden> Yes, it's true that to play them you have to meet them but the converse doesn't apply. Perhaps I should've said he meet 12 World Champions, but then someone would've asked "What he didn't play against any of them?".
Actually if the previous posts had been read confusion and questions would've been eliminated. |
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| Jun-15-05 | | iron maiden: That's understood.
<Out of curiosity anyone know who the last living person to have played Steinitz was?> Maroczy perhaps? |
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| Jun-15-05 | | WMD: No, Maroczy was the first dead person to play Korchnoi. |
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| Jun-20-05 | | vonKrolock: Folkestone, England: A large hall with columns. A round in the team tournament is about to start. In the foreground, the hungarian team will face an european team (the guys looks nordic or at least baltic – but i dont’recognize them) The magyars, from left to right are: Maroczy, L. Steiner, Vajda and Havasi. So it was the fifth round, the only one in which Lilienthal rested! And the game that will start is V Mikenas vs Maroczy, 1933 - right, Maroczy played the black pieces - December, 6th 1933 acording to chessgames.com PGN text. Among the other lituanians – they are turned to apear in the photo - we can see the 2th and 3th : they’re young: Vaitonis , Vistanekis, Luckis and Abramavicius in this order where the lithuanians in the Folkestone Olimpics. The table of the match (the boards seems to be ranged in a single wide table) shows the number ‘3’ in a little plate or paper leaf: So the first two matches are missing in the photo – but the remaining matches appears in the background – just behind, in the table numbered ‘4 ‘ – look, i know that profile – in the second board : yes, he’s G Thomas – the English team is there: that little dark first board , turned straight to the board – and back to the phographer, completely absorbed in his game, is Sultan Khan! The 3th is not at sight (one of the big columns covers him) – the 4th, looking straight to the camera – is a middle-aged gentleman with light (white?!) hair and mustache: Surely not Alexander – who? Winter, Michell?! My knowledge of English Chess images dont’ goes so far...
According to some bases, in the fifth round England faced France – so the game just behind Maroczy vs Mikenas is Sultan Khan vs ALEKHINE Alekhine?! – Well, i’ll not say this imediately:: for me the man in the photo is not Alekhine: some Alekhine treats fo sure, but not Alekhine’s ears – well, perhaps, why not? Maybe the hairstyle – or the distance and resolution in the photo... Alekhine’s images from the 20es shows a slender young man with full hair , the ones from the mid-30es shows an ageing monsieur growing fater, half-bald and with glasses: Probably the Folkestone photo is somewhere an intermediate stage... Even so – yes, the distance, the resolution... If i knew who are the other frenchmen: The 2th, facing Thomas is very young, with fine metal glasses-frame – i’ll say he looks quite frenchy in his features and impecably tailored (well everybody in the photo looks finely dressed), . The 3th, facing the invisible englishman (Alexander!?) is shorter, with lighter hairs combed backwards, and could be an eastern-european - the 4th is also covered by the same stately column - If the 4th frenchmen where Duchamp i’ll recognize him – i know how he looked – but the others : Betbeder, Kahn, Voisin?! <to be continued |
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| Jun-20-05 | | vonKrolock: ... the remaining matches are harder to identify without further researches – the kibitzers (i’ll say public plus organizers plus reserves) awaits near the back walls – some paintings in the walls and chandeliers hanging from the ceiling ornaments softly the light painted hall – for two kibitzers, it ocurred to occupy a more central place, leaned in the massive columns, nearer to the hall center – in the front column, occupying a prominent place in the composition (this column separate the hungarian’s place from that of the english team (so that Maroczy and Sultan Khan, Steiner and Thomas and so on are opposed back to back) and separates also the table in two parts, so that the kibitzer leaned in the column is exactly between Steiner and Vajda – to enhace the liveliness of the whole, Maroczy turn his head to his left (right in the photographer point of vue), to his team mates, while Thomas, just behind him in the photo’s slightly crooked angle, turns his head to his left (also left in the photo) to Sultan Khan’s board..
Who was the kibitzer leaned in the front column? Maybe better who IS the kibitzer – is a tall, slender young man, with a puissant head of dark hair throwed to one side in a natural way, dressed also in an almost casual way, with light paints, light ties, light shirt and only a somewhat darker jacket – he’s the only figure that seems completely standed out in the photo, strongly framed by the wide column, relaxed, looking to the camera in a very natural way and with the arms folded: His name? Andor Lilienthal |
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| Jun-20-05 | | Calli: <von krolock> The British team was 1) Mir Sultan Khan 2) George Alan Thomas 3) William Winter 4) Reginald Price Michell and the reserve was Conel Alexander. Sultan Khan and Alekhine played for 12 hours!
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