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Jun-26-19 | | Pyrandus: "Amos" = echte jüdische Name! |
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Sep-09-19
 | | MissScarlett: 900 games in the Forster volume(s) - 450 here....ffs! |
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Feb-15-20 | | shallowred: Pillsbury said Burn was 'a man without nerves'. Here is proof:
He started off his match with Mackenzie (career record of 64.8%) down 4 losses (5 wins takes the match) and ended with 4 wins 4 losses and 2 draws. People say 'When you get knocked down... get back up!' What I am interested in is this: what do your eyes look like when you get back up? Does your opponent see your self-pity reflecting in your eyes? Or (when your head rises and lids open) does he see cold steel. |
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Feb-15-20
 | | MissScarlett: <Pillsbury said Burn was 'a man without nerves'. Here is proof:>
A source would be preferable! |
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Feb-15-20 | | shallowred: My source is the very book from your Sep-09-19 post:
'Amos Burn a Chess Biography' by Forster, bottom of page 891. Most of the Burn / Mackenzie match can be found here in Chessgames.com, but not all of the games show up. Not only did Burn and Mackenzie play evenly in the match, but they had a dead even career head-to-head record: 5 wins each and 3 draws. Burn had a winning record against Pillsbury: 2 wins 2 draws and 1 loss. Kibitzers wonder where Burn got is high career scores (50% against the worlds best and 75% against National Masters), because they only look at his chess moves. Look deeper. Look at his character. Fortune favors the brave. |
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Feb-16-20 | | shallowred: Pillsbury witnessed Burn's equanimity first-hand in their game played at Paris in 1900. In that key game his approach seems to have been to test Burn's nerves; only to find iron. |
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Feb-16-20
 | | MissScarlett: <My source is the very book from your Sep-09-19 post: 'Amos Burn a Chess Biography' by Forster, bottom of page 891.> I'm supposed to commit 900 pages to memory!?
<Most of the Burn / Mackenzie match can be found here in Chessgames.com, but not all of the games show up.> You know what to do then.... PGN Upload Utility |
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Feb-17-20
 | | MissScarlett: Illustrated Sporting & Dramatic News, December 15th 1888, p.364: <The following is Mr. Blackburne's record during the last two or three weeks :- At Liverpool he conducted 22 games simultaneously, of which he won 18, drew 3, and lost 1 to Mr. Amos Burn. At the British Chess Club he played 8 games blindfolded, winning 5 and drawing 3; amongst his opponents being several of the strongest amateurs, Messrs. Locock, Hunter, Busse, and Michael. On 3rd December, at Huntingdon, he encountered 17 players, and defeated all of them in less than two hours. On the 5th December, at Huntingdon, he played 8 games blindfold, of which he won 6 and drew 2; and on the next day he visited Norwich and conducted 29 games against 29 players, and in less than four hours he finished all the games, winning 26 and drawing 3. Truly a marvellous record. The champion has out-Blackburned Blackburne. Of the 88 games played on five different occasions and in the course of a fortnight he won 76, drew 11, and lost 1. Lost 1, be it observed! And to whom? To Mr. A. Burn, of Liverpool. Now, Mr. Burn is a well-known "master," quite competent to cope on even terms with Mr. Blackburne, and yet to show his respect and admiration for the "simultaneous" performer, he condescended to form one of the twenty-nine [sic] who were arrayed against Blackburne. This was about the greatest compliment one master could pay to another, and bespeaks on the part of Mr. Burn a humility and a magnanimity not always conspicuous in chess champions.> |
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Feb-17-20 | | Nosnibor: <shallowred> Burn did not achieve an even score against Blackburne.In their meetings he lost by 6 wins to 7 losses and 8 draws Discounting of course the blindfold game which he won whilst Blackburne was playing 7 other games! |
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Feb-17-20
 | | MissScarlett: <Pillsbury said Burn was 'a man without nerves'.> I say Burn was a man without neckties. |
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Feb-17-20 | | shallowred: Blackburne was an amazing talent. Similar to Pillsbury he had an incredible mind, and I am a big fan of those players. I am also impressed that Burn managed to compete with them. I am interested in emulating Burn in an attempt to become more self-aware of my composure during a tough chess game or a bad day. Burn played 892 games over his career and averaged 50% against World Class Masters. This does not mean he had an even scores against all of them. He (like all players) did well against some and less-so against others. Forster has Burn's career score against Blackburne at 47%. I have no comment on the riveting tie / sock debate. |
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Feb-17-20
 | | MissScarlett: < I am interested in emulating Burn in an attempt to become more self-aware of my composure during a tough chess game or a bad day.> Amos Burn, Zenmaster |
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Feb-18-20 | | Nosnibor: An earlier photograph of Burn shows him with a tie. This is depicted at page 107 of "The English Morphy "He lost two games to De Vere in the City of London Chess Club Handicap Tournament.1870/1871.Perhaps he lost because he was wearing a tie ? |
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Feb-18-20
 | | MissScarlett: <Most of the Burn / Mackenzie match can be found here in Chessgames.com, but not all of the games show up.> Hey, wait a minute...what abooot?
Game Collection: Mackenzie - Burn (1886) |
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Feb-18-20 | | shallowred: The Game 9 record is missing.
Forster couldn't find it either, but his research produced the following report:
'On Saturday Mackenzie lost the game by weak play after winning a piece in the opening." - Morning Post, 23 August 1886 |
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Feb-18-20
 | | MissScarlett: There are around 400 games missing from here - why single that one out? You're beginning to annoy me....jeez...lol Wanna do something about it? The missing games, I mean. |
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May-07-21
 | | fredthebear: This article seems well down, with various references: http://britishchessnews.com/event/d... |
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Mar-28-22 | | shallowred: Burn shows up for 25 straight years on the Chess.com YouTube graphic 'The Best Chess Players Over Time (Estimated By Accuracy)' -- Not bad |
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Mar-15-23 | | stone free or die: Nobody has commented on it here, afaik, but Burn lived in Chicago for an extended period of time (~2yrs), maybe even more than once: <In his early teens he was apprenticed to a firm of Liverpool cotton brokers. Most of the year l870 was spent in London. At least once, and probably three times in his life, he made prolonged business visits to America; the occasion as to which there is most certainty was about 1893-5, when he was a year or two at Chicago; Liverpool information puts another visit about 1902-3 (which would account for his non-participation in the Monte Carlo tournaments); and hints dropped by himself point to such a visit in 1882-3 ; this would account for his not competing in either event at the London congress of 1833, and for the non-inclusion of his portrait in the large group picture painted by A. Rosenbaum about 1882, and now hanging in the City of London Chess Clubroom. Upon returning to England he always settled down again in business at Liverpool, where he
was occupied, for some time at any rate, in sea insurance. From which it will be seen that at no time of his life was he dependent upon chess-playing as a means of livelihood; although it is difficult to resist the impression that at some periods, particularly 1886, 1B89 and 189B, the claims of business sat very lightly upon him.> It's from Blake's BCM obit, but I cribbed it was this online source: http://britishchessnews.com/2020/11... Stephan Mann's bio over at Yorkshire Chess has this note: <The American Chess Magazine, Vol. II. No. 2, August 1889, page 55, said of Amos Burn that after the New York chess tournament of 1889 he had lived in the United States for several years, making Chicago his home. He may, of course, have maintained some kind of home on both sides of the pond, as he was nevertheless listed in the 1891 England census.> https://mannchess.org.uk/People/Bur... Funny, it looks as if the BCM obit wasn't consulted. . |
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May-29-23
 | | Gottschalk: More games of old GM Burn are placed here:
A Burn |
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Feb-19-24 | | Nina Myers: Cocaine is a helluva drug. |
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Dec-02-24 | | stone free or die: I posted this elsewhere, and <FSR> said he'd do some follow-up on it, but it's about <A. Burn> so I'll copy it here as well: <Amos Burn has a curious dearth, or gap, of games between 1889 and 1895 for some reason. Anyone know why?I found at least one game during this period, with Sheriff Spens as the opponent. Might be worth adding: https://books.google.com/books?id=j... I found it in a German source, but the link is to a better known English language periodical.> D T Phillips vs Pillsbury, 1899 (kibitz #44) I will say that the above game is also certain to be in Forster, given the wide availability of the link source (i.e. <Intl Chess Mag>) |
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Dec-02-24
 | | jnpope: Didn't he retire from competitive chess due to business obligations and had moved to Chicago for a few of those years? |
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Dec-03-24 | | stone free or die: <jnpope: Didn't he retire from competitive chess due to business obligations and had moved to Chicago for a few of those years?> Yes, thanks <jn>, I have forgotten that. Here's some info from the <British Chess News> website: <At least once, and probably three times in his life, he made prolonged business visits to America; the occasion as to which there is most certainty was about 1893-5, when he was a year or two at Chicago; Liverpool information puts another visit about 1902-3 (which would account for his non-participation in the Monte Carlo tournaments); and hints dropped by himself point to such a visit in 1882-3 ; this would account for his not competing in either event at the London congress of 1833, and for the non-inclusion of his portrait in the large group picture painted by A. Rosenbaum about 1882, and now hanging in the City of London Chess Clubroom. Upon returning to England he always settled down again in business at Liverpool, where he
was occupied, for some time at any rate, in sea insurance> https://britishchessnews.com/2020/1... So part of the gap years may be due to his visiting Chicago (1893-95). |
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