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| Jan-21-15 | | zanzibar: I may have (or somebody else might have) posted this before, but it's good enough for a repeat: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.co... <Alekhine + Siamese cat -- Eliskases> |
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| Jan-21-15 | | zanzibar: This site also notes the omission of Eliskases as analyst for Euwe in his first match with Alekhine: http://www.heldercamara.com.br/rona...
The followign site duplicates my earlier Spanish ref on this, but is signed by an author - Raúl Grosso http://www.taringa.net/posts/deport... |
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| Feb-18-15 | | Andrijadj: Eliskases probably makes top 5 endgame players of all times. Together with Capablanca, Fischer, Karpov and Carlsen. |
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Feb-18-15
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Feb-18-15
| | keypusher: Stepping down from the WC and near WCs...why is Eliskases on your list and not Ulf Andersson? |
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| Feb-19-15 | | Andrijadj: I am a bit biased towards Eliskases probably-my first chess trainer, when I was a kid, was a big fan of his play because he knew him personally (the trainer is now 80+ if he is alive) and always told us kids that Eliskases' endgames were a model of correct endgame play. Therefore I analysed a lot of his games when I was young and a lot of it stuck. Eliskazes was really brilliant endgame player. Of course, all the people you mentioned were/are too. I mean, you cannot become a WC or a WC challenger without comprehensive endgame mastery. But Eliskases had an uncanny ability to conjure wins in endgames out of nothing and draws out of completely lost positions (I am not referring just to famous game vs Keres). In addition, he was commended by his peers (that included Rubinstein, Lasker, Capablanca, Botvinnik, Flohr...) precisely for his endgame play, as well as for ability to reach&switch to favourable endgame from middlegame. That is why I put him up there. Other players you mentioned-of course, all of them were/are great endgame players. I would not put Smyslov and Kramnik there though-I think they are more of an universal positional players than endgame players. Opening preparation plays a great role with Kramnik too-he excells in endgames that he analyses out of openings, but he is not into deliberately switching into endgames in order to outplay opponent there, like Carlsen or Karpov do or like Eliskases or Capablanca did. That is why I put him there-of course, it is valid only for endgame play-Kramnik or Smyslov are overall better players than Eliskases, of course. Korchnoi wasn't that famous for endgame mastery, was he? Complicated middlegames and tenacious defending were his forte. Same goes for Lasker- As for Ulf Andersson, I must admit I don't know much about the guy. I never studied his games that much. I know he made lots of draws and beat Karpov with a hedgehog and that's it, really. |
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Feb-19-15
| | keypusher: <Andrijadj> Thank you for that very interesting reply! I think if you look into it you will find that many rate Korchnoi and Lasker as among the greatest at the endgame, and that Andersson played many beautiful endings. I see I need to learn more about Eliskases. |
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| Mar-06-15 | | Dr.Vulcan: Eliskases, when he had lived in Porto Alegre, state of Rio Grande do Sul (the same state where Mecking was born) - Brasil, told to my old friends, that his name came from the Basque Language (or Basque Tongue) of the Basque Country, at the north of Spain, from where came his ancestry to Tyrol (state) of Austria.This Basque Language is a derivation, like the Hungarian, of the old Celtic Language. |
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Mar-18-15
 | | offramp: One of 4 players who beat both Capablanca and Fischer. |
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Mar-27-15
 | | MissScarlett: From Wikipedia entry:
<However, Eliskases' defection to South America was badly timed, as documentary evidence later showed that the Nazi regime had scheduled him a 1941 match with the World Champion, but due to circumstances, had subsequently abandoned the idea.> This relies on a <NIC> article: <One cannot simply dismiss these statements as an attempt by Alekhine to please the Nazi regime, since several documents prove that as early as 1939 the plan of staging a world championship match between Alekhine and Eliskases in 1941 was being entertained by German chess circles.> http://www.gardenachess.com/archiv/...
Anyone know anything about these documents? It'd also be interesting to learn how 'German chess circles' reacted to Eliskases and the other German players' decision to remain in South America. Presumably, their success in the Olympiad was celebrated in the media, but it can't exactly have gone unnoticed when none of the players took part in the 1940 German championship or other events. Did German chess magazines scrupulously avoid any politically sensitive topics? Something else I didn't know: after the Olympiad, Capablanca was all set to employ Eliskases as a second for a return match with Alekhine: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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| Feb-15-16 | | TheFocus: Happy birthday, GM Erich Eliskases. |
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| Apr-06-16 | | john barleycorn: "Die besten Anmerkungen macht Eliskases"
(Eliskases makes the best annotations)
Dr. Em. Lasker said to Kmoch.
Kmoch also mentions that Alekhine chose Eliskases as his second for the 1937 rematch with Euwe. The grateful Alekhine winning back the title awarded a golden cigarette case to Eliskases. Kmoch who was Alekhine's second in the 1934 match with Bogolyubov received a goulash in the "Cafe Vaterland" from the equally grateful Alekhine. |
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| Apr-06-16 | | diagonal: thanks!
btw: in the cg. bio are two typos - 2nd at Wijk aan Zee, 1966 is wrong, of course Erich Eliskases was <2nd at Beverwijk (Hoogovens), 1959> behind Fridrik Olafsson |
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| Mar-17-17 | | ughaibu: I guess the other three are Euwe, Keres and Reshevsky(?) |
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Mar-17-17
| | MissScarlett: <Bogolyubov received a goulash in the "Cafe Vaterland"> Sounds painful. |
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| May-19-20 | | Vidocq1: TO ZANZIBAR: The interview was done during Arco Tournament in Italy 1976, we spoke english between us, so it's pretty real! During the evening interview he was gentle and we stayed up till his wife stopped us saying that GM has to go to bed. We wrote each other for some years and he always mentioned his son and never about a daughter. |
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| May-19-20 | | Vidocq1: http://soloscacchi.altervista.org/?...
Here you can find the second part of the article/interview with a personal letter he sent to me. |
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| Aug-10-20 | | Nosnibor: He beat Spielmann three times in matches and also won a match against Bogoljubov but was unable to overcome William Fairhurst an amateur player and Scottish Champion.,whereby he was only able to share honours. |
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| Aug-10-20 | | Nosnibor: Apologies! Fairhurst did obtain the I.M. title in 1951. |
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Dec-14-20
| | MissScarlett: Kmoch in <Chess>, October 1945, p.10, claims that Eliskases returned to Germany during WW2: <None of the outstanding German chess players came to Holland during the war, but a few days before five minutes past twelve, Euwe got a message from Eliskases, who passed through Amsterdam and tried to meet him. "Unfortunately I'm a soldier now" it began. Euwe had no time and we missed learning how Eliskases, who remained in the Argentine at least the first part of the war, had found his way to the Wehrmacht.> See: https://www.mediafire.com/file/4h8t... <five minutes past twelve> Is this a cryptic reference I should know about? |
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Jan-29-21
| | keypusher: <Miss Scarlett> From Hitler's speech on November 8, 1942:
<And all our opponents can be convinced that the Germany of former times laid down its arms at a quarter to twelve. On principle I have never quit before five minutes after twelve. > https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Adol... So my first thought was that Eliskases' visit came a few days before April 30, 1945. My second thought was that surely German troops would have been gone from Amsterdam by then. But my third thought was to check, and what do you know -- they were still shooting on May 7. Civilians, admittedly. https://www.amsterdamredlightdistri... As you doubtless know, the speech is famous because Hitler boasted of having all but captured Stalingrad, just before the Soviets encircled the Sixth Army. |
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Jan-30-21
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Carel Carsten |
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| Aug-06-22 | | vonKrolock: Another of his tournament victories was <Porto Alegre 1954> Crosstable online, but a mere two of the games are available so far http://www.brasilbase.pro.br/tb1954... Newly appeared online a footage showing (respectively): the arrival of the Argentinian players to the airport, the opening meeting in the "Renner Chess Club", aspects of the playing hall, and finally a few images of the departure.
Those with a minimum knowledge of the imagery of Chess players will easily recognize through the film, besides of Erich Eliskases
also Hector Rossetto and Herman Pilnik The games: Eliskases vs <?!>; <?!> vs Rossetto; Pilnik vs Llamosas; Recalde vs Szentkiralyi Toth Vince Lukas (aka Vince Toth);
two Brazilian clashes Menna Barreto vs Milo and Fernando Caldas Kruel vs
Arrigo Prosdocimi ; and the fourth Argentinian Pedro Martin vs yet another (so far) unidentified Paraguayan <?!> LINK https://youtu.be/DOjVOKZyPZ8 |
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| May-28-23 | | Synchsynch: @Andrijadj, in fact Korchnoi was a brilliant endgame player, as his games vs Karpov demonstrated. So Eliskases may have gone back to Germany, says Miss Scarlet, wow that is a revelation! And he was well thought if by his contemporary world champions, high praise indeed. |
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| Apr-16-25 | | Messenberg: Grande enxadrista do seu tempo. Escreveu e publicou um excelente livro no Brasil: Jogo de Posição. Há também várias publicações com proficuos comentários de Eliskases que foram disponibilizados na Argentina, país em que se fixou. Poderia ter vivido mais tempo no Brasil, mas lamentávelmente não foi o que aconteceu. Ludwig Engels (1905/1967) foi um dos companheiros de Eliskses na equipe austro germânica em 1939.-Olimpiada 1939. Engels viveu em São Paulo e deixou boas lembranças e histórias para quem o conheceu pessoalmente. Uma de suas façanhas foi derrotar Alekhine em 1936 na Alemanha. Em grande estilo numa partida modélica. A partir de 1941 fixou-se em São Paulo. Entre outras coisas foi responsável pela seção de xadrez do jornal O Estado de São Paulo e instrutor no Clube de Xadrez de São Paulo. Não teve título de MI o GM, mas certamente tinha força de GM. |
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