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| Aug-17-05 | | percyblakeney: <foolishmovesss> I've run into people taking on c5 and playing b4 a couple of times, and your guess that <bad things ensue when trying to hold the extra pawn> seems correct, moves like a5 and b6 are handy for black. |
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| Aug-17-05 | | foolishmovesss: Thanks percy. Unfortunatley, I am having trouble finding b4 in the database. That suggests its not very good, perhaps you are right that a5 would be a good move. I just have problems playing the Bennoni this way becasue I don't know how to stop white from holding the pawn. But if I play e6 before c5 I can't really play the bennoni unless white plays Nf3. To avoid the taimonov(spelling?) So I need to find out what to do against dxc e6 b4. Thanks for the help. |
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| Sep-02-05 | | Harald: Hello foolishmovess. I've been looking into the Benoni and playing some games myself, mainly to avoid drawish lines with symmetrical pawn structures in some openings. As for 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. dxc5 e6 4. b4, getting the pawn back is not that difficult, as 3.dxc5 is nor a great or very popular move. The problem is how to do this with the largest advantage for black, while there aren't that many games in the database with that move (http://www.chesslive.de/ has some games, but not all are good. After trying out some things on my own and with the computer it seems both [4... b6 5. Be3 bxc5 6. Bxc5 Bxc5 7. bxc5 Qa5+ 8. Qd2 Qxc5] and [5. Nc3 bxc5 6. b5 d5 give black the pawn back while he's doing fine. Another possibility is 4... a5 This should reclaim the pawn, but I'm not really sure if black gets much. Note that 5.b5 Bxc5 6.Nc3? is a mistake after 6...Ng4 7.Ne4 Bxf2+ 8.Nxf2 Nxf2 9.Kxf2 Qf6+ and the rook's hanging. Instead, the sacrifice 6...Bxf2?! 7.Kxf2 Ng4+ 8.Kg3 seems a bit optimistic. However, if white develops normally with 6.Bb2 or Ba3!? (takes out the black bishop) things don't look too clear. I don't see the ''bad things'' white could do while giving back the pawn, but if you have a specific variation that looks dangerous I'd be happy to take a look. I've just been puzzling by myself, so if anyone thinks white has better I'd be glad to get some feedback. See you around all. |
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| Sep-02-05 | | RookFile: Tal kind of thought the Benoni was unsound. Didn't prevent him from playing it and winning a lot of games with it though. :) |
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| Dec-29-05 | | elh: Foolish: Punishing b4 is even easier than in the similar variations of the QGA for White. 1 d4 nf6
2 c4 c5
3 dxc5 e6
4 b4?? a5
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| Dec-30-05 | | Waffles: I am currently using the Benoni if white plays the move order: 1.d4 nf6 2.nf3 c5-- if white plays 1.d4 nf6 2.e4 I play e5, a budapest fajarowicz. After 1.d4 nf6 2.nf3 c5 what line should I play? 3.b5? 3.g6? 3.e6? |
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| Dec-30-05 | | refutor: what does white play inbetween? after 1.d4 nf6 2.nf3 c5? if 3.d5 b5 is the way to go in my patzer opinion...that was the idea behind the "original" benko gambit |
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| Dec-30-05 | | unsound: <Waffles> Next time white plays 1.d4 Nf6 2.e4 you might want to try Nxe4. But after 2.c4 I'm with refutor--play the Benko/Volga, 3. d5 b5. |
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| Dec-31-05 | | Waffles: Woops, I didn't mean e4 I ment c4. ! sorry |
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Jan-13-06
 | | keypusher: <waffles> There is also 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nf3 c5 3 d5 c4?! 4 Nc3 Qa5 5 Qd4 b5, the so-called Hawk. I am playing it in an e-correspondence game now with the following continuation: 6. e4 e6 7. Bg5 Be7 8. Be2 Bb7 9. O-O b4 10. e5?! Nxd5
11. Ne4 Nc6! 12. Qxc4 Nb6! 13. Qb5(?) Qxb5 14. Bxb5 Nxe5 15. Nxe5 Bxe4
16. Be3 a6 17. Bd3 Bxd3 18. Nxd3 Nd5 19. Bd4 O-O
click for larger viewIt's different! |
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| Mar-07-06 | | RookFile: I looked up Fischer's results with the Modern Benoni, and was shocked at how ridiculously successful Fischer was with this as black. 10 wins, 1 loss, 1 draw. And this against some big league names like Uhlmann, Gligoric, Spassky, and Najdorf. Pretty amazing! |
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| Apr-04-06 | | jamesmaskell: A little game to check out. Michael Adams was Black. 3 minute blitz on playchess earlier today. (I dont have the time to PGN it unfortunately). Playchess classed it as A56 (Czech Benoni). 1. d4. c5. 2. d5 Nf6 3. c4 e5 4. Nc3 a6 5. e4 Bb6 6. Nf3 Qe7 7. Be2 Bc7 8. 0-0 d6 9. h3 Nbd7 10. a3 ba5 11. Bd2 bxc3 12. Bxc3 Nxe4 13. Be1 0-0 14. Nh2 f5 15. f3 Nef6 16. Bc3 Nh5 17. Re1 Qg5 18. Qd2 Nf4 19. Bf1 Nxh3+ 20. Kh1 Nf4 21. b4 b6 22. bxc5 bxc5 23. Rab1 Rf6 24. Qf2 Rh6 25. g3 Nh5 26. Kg2 Rg6 27. g4 Ndf6 28. Bd3 Nf4+ 0-1 |
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| Apr-04-06 | | alicefujimori: For those who want a great and unbiased book on the Benoni, Lev Phaskis's "The Complete Benoni" is definitely a must read. I used to play the Modern Benoni in my early chess years and only to give it up after finish reading the whole book. Most lines are actually OK for black but there are a couple of lines that are NOT OK at all and what's worse is that Black can't avoid them. One of them is, of course, the famous Taimanov Bb5+ variation. |
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| Apr-04-06 | | AgentRgent: <jamesmaskell> there's a few small errors in the notation, here's a cleaner version. 1. d4. c5. 2. d5 Nf6 3. c4 e5 4. Nc3 a6 5. e4 Bd6 6. Nf3 Qe7 7. Be2 Bc7 8. 0-0 d6 9. h3 Nbd7 10. a3 Ba5 11. Bd2 Bxc3 12. Bxc3 Nxe4 13. Be1 0-0 14. Nh2 f5 15. f3 Nef6 16. Bc3 Nh5 17. Re1 Qg5 18. Qd2 Nf4 19. Bf1 Nxh3+ 20. Kh1 Nf4 21. b4 b6 22. bxc5 bxc5 23. Rab1 Rf6 24. Qf2 Rh6 25. g3 Nh5 26. Kg2 Rg6 27. g4 Ndf6 28. Bd3 Nf4+ 0-1 |
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| Apr-04-06 | | notyetagm: <AgentRgent> Nice smooth machine-like win by Adams. |
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| Apr-05-06 | | Caissanist: I'm a bit confused by the terminology of this opening. I've seen frequent references to the "Modern Benoni", and occasional ones to the "Old Benoni" or "Classical Benoni". The Chessgames (ECO) opening classification system doesn't seem to use those terms though. Could anyone tell me what they consider to be the "Modern Benoni", and what is the "Old Benoni/Classical Benoni"? |
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| Apr-05-06 | | ganstaman: Old Benoni is 1. d4 c5
Old Benoni (A43)
Old Benoni Defense (A44)
Modern Benoni gets the Nf6 in first. It's classified under A56-A79 (some of those include the Benko gambit). On chessgames.com's home/search page, click the ECO help thing, and a window should pop-up that tells you what each line is for each ECO. As for differences in play (differences in ECO hardly matter when playing), I really have no idea. I've been playing some openings that can transpose into Benoni or reverse Benoni-like positions, and I'm just not happy with it. My position gets too cramped too quickly and I don't know where to look for counterplay (or if I'm supposed to be looking just to survive??). I'll look through this kibitzing and play over some games here, but if you happen to have good ideas for playing the Benoni, I'd be very happy to hear them. |
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| Apr-05-06 | | notyetagm: <ganstaman: ... I've been playing some openings that can transpose into Benoni or reverse Benoni-like positions, and I'm just not happy with it. My position gets too cramped too quickly and I don't know where to look for counterplay (or if I'm supposed to be looking just to survive??).> Do not feel too bad, you're not the only one with this problem. Kasparov was asked why he quit playing the Benoni. His simple answer? Not enough space. As a patzer, my only advice is to exchange pieces to reduce the burden of the space disadvantage, push your queenside pawn majority, and do what you can to stop White from playing the thematic breakthrough e4-e5. And play over some of the games of the great Benoni masters (Tal, Fischer, Topalov, etc.). |
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| Apr-05-06 | | refutor: the whole key to the benoni is the e5 square...for both sides...without sounding too dogmatic whoever controls e5 normally wins in the benoni |
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| Apr-05-06 | | refutor: <alicefujimori><can't avoid the taimanov> sure you can! 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 and only then ...c5 ;) or tranpose by 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 c5 instead of the King's Indian-esque 6. ...e5 |
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Apr-05-06
 | | Gypsy: <refutor's maxim:> Control of e5 wins benoni. I like it. |
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Apr-05-06
| | keypusher: Just to be difficult. :-)
Kasparov vs Nunn, 1982 |
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| Apr-05-06 | | notyetagm: <keypusher: Just to be difficult. :-) Kasparov vs Nunn, 1982>
The e5-square does not matter if White controls the f5-square lock, stock, and barrel and Black has castled kingside. |
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Apr-05-06
| | keypusher: <The e5-square does not matter if White controls the f5-square lock, stock, and barrel and Black has castled kingside.> The <notyetagm> corollary to <refutor>'s maxim. :) |
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| Apr-05-06 | | notyetagm: <keypusher: The <notyetagm> corollary to <refutor>'s maxim. :)> Not my corollary, Kasparov's. :-)
He knows when the f5-square is more important than the e5-square in the Benoni. |
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