Sep-17-08
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: 25...Ke7; 26.Rxd5. And that might not even be the best choice. 26.Qf6+,Kf8 (Kd6; Rxd5+); 27.g6 might be even stronger. |
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| Sep-17-08 | | backyard pawn: Or as Red Green proclaims, "Now is the winter of our discount tent." I've always been a fan of Tartakower's play, even though I often can't keep up with his ideas. |
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| Sep-17-08 | | sushijunkie: Another(!) "Patzer Reinforcement" game for me. I'd never play those moves, 'cuz I just don't understand. |
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| Sep-17-08 | | newzild: Alekhine's lucid and instructive comments make this GOTD more interesting than usual. |
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| Sep-17-08 | | kevin86: It looks like Alekhine had some discontent with Winter's play. And rightly so... The best defense against a fiancettoed bishop is to block the pawn center and prevent the bishop's reign to extend to the other side. Black blocks himself and then sets up an odd and ineffective combination to make up for it. The result is a quick loss. |
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| Sep-17-08 | | Underworld: I do enjoy this old game. It is a game that could even seen as a stonewall. I feel pity everytime I play the stonewall against someone who blocks themselves in like that. It seems that a lot of people don't bother making a reasonable effort to at least learn the system and know how to defend against it. A problem white had was not castling. I always castle in this stonewall system. the g4 move is something that I came up with my own time and am happy to see it over time. This is by far the most incorrect way to go about defending such a position against such a system. I got so involved in the stonewall system and thought that it deserved more attention than it was getting. A lot of club players use it and I've played against people who use it in tournaments. I figured that I would also make a good defense against it and have been using it ever since with great success. I call it the Jones defense being that my last name is Jones. Well, anyway, good game by Tartakower. |
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| Sep-17-08 | | DoubleCheck: Im still trying to understand the 4...Bb7 followed by 5...d5? from black. Black opened up a good A8-H1 diagonal then decided to close it next move? |
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| Sep-18-08 | | Jason Frost: A good game by Dr. Tartakower indeed. |
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| Sep-18-08 | | Underworld: <DoubleCheck> I've seen this in many games with when using this type of attack. I understand by this point that they don't know exactly how to defend against the Austrian Attack/Stonewall Attack, etc. The point in having that would be to put the black N on e4 and protect the pawn with the bishop. Putting the white queen on f3 is actually well known and combats that desire for black by gaining a pawn and keeping the strong position after black loses the white squared bishop. Keeping this diagonal open and putting up d6 instead is wiser. |
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| Sep-21-08 | | DoubleCheck: <Underworld>
I read what you posted but if i was playing a game and i managed to open up a good diagonal(A8-H1, A1-H8) and then close next move, i might not know when that diagonal might re-open again to captialise. |
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| Sep-22-08 | | Underworld: Well putting the bishop there on b7 is a bad idea in a lot of cases unless you are shooting to mirror your opponent by doing a stonewall yourself. In many games I watch my opponents move to Bd7, then Be8 to stop certain attacks. Closing in this case is either a bad idea or hoping for a draw considering what the stonewall system brings. Point is to take out White's light squared bishop, but it doesn't always work. |
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May-02-16
| | An Englishman: Good Evening: The game represents a good example of why the modern tendency to play ...Bb7 and ...d7-d5 surprises me. In my playing days White would bury a Knight at e5 and win with a King side attack, just as Pillsbury showed us back in 1895. |
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May-02-16
 | | profK: Methinks the opening by transposition is a Stonewall ! |
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May-02-16
 | | keypusher: <An Englishman: Good Evening: The game represents a good example of why the modern tendency to play ...Bb7 and ...d7-d5 surprises me. In my playing days White would bury a Knight at e5 and win with a King side attack, just as Pillsbury showed us back in 1895.> White didn't have it all his own way. Herr Schlechter for the defense. Pillsbury vs Schlechter, 1895
Tarrasch vs Schlechter, 1896
Both games illustrate the main point of ...d5 and ...Bb7: they help Black control his e4. The same idea from the White side made the combination of the pawn on d4 and bishop on b2 a standard feature of the QGD in the 19th century. In fact a lot of people in the 1890s thought Pillsbury's Bg5 was a positional error. See my posts from 2006 here: Lasker vs Steinitz, 1894
Rubinstein won many games this way.
Rubinstein vs Chigorin, 1906
Rubinstein vs K Treybal, 1925
Sometimes the bishop came gloriously into its own.
Zukertort vs Blackburne, 1883
Sometimes the pawns did.
Janowski vs Leonhardt, 1907
Spassky vs Petrosian, 1966
And after all, it isn't as if the bishop is well placed on its original diagonal if black has a pawn on e6. |
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| May-02-16 | | thegoodanarchist: <backyard pawn: Or as Red Green proclaims, "Now is the winter of our discount tent."> Thanks for that! Very funny. |
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| May-02-16 | | kevin86: White's knight at c3 seems to cover everything, offensively and defensively. |
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| May-02-16 | | The Kings Domain: Good game indeed. Fun, messy game. |
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May-02-16
 | | Domdaniel: <Underworld> Good comments on the Stonewall. I play it occasionally, though at the moment I prefer both the Classical Dutch and the Leningrad. But your ideas are clearly based on experience - not unlike Moskalenko in his book The Diamond Dutch. |
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May-04-16
| | An Englishman: Good Evening: Nice bit of research, <keypusher>. |
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May-09-16
| | Domdaniel: <keypusher> I second the comment by <An Englishman> - fine research. |
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