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| Jun-30-19 | | Diademas: <ACMEKINGKRUSHER: This used to be a nice site until someone started talking religion. IT HAS NO PLACE HERE! Using Fischer & Morphy to push religion is a CRIME! Get RID of IT. It has no business in CHESS! AKK> The last post on this page referring to religion, dates back to March 2013.
Fischer vs Spassky, 1992 Not a big fan of religious discussions on a chess site myself, but I get much more irritated by people writing in all caps. |
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| Mar-01-23 | | Brenin: White can win by giving up his R for the b-pawn, denying Black's B the square h4 with g4, moving his K among Black's K-side pawns, and pushing two of his forward, so Black's B can stop only one of them from queening. Black needs a few moves to force the R to take the b-pawn, so first play 37 g4, then execute the above plan. |
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| Mar-01-23 | | goodevans: What a bizarre puzzle. White is better, full stop. White will have to give up his R for the b-pawn at some point (might as well wait until it promotes) but then the Black K is out of the game so the White K and extra pawns will overwhelm the B. I guess the aim of the puzzle is to recognise that. But in terms of winning moves there's probably half a dozen or more, |
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| Mar-01-23 | | mel gibson: I think that many moves win here.
Stockfish 15 says:
37. g4
(37. g4 (g2-g4 ♔c3-c2 ♔e3-d4 b2-b1♕ ♖b7xb1 ♔c2xb1 ♔d4-c5 ♔b1-c2 ♔c5-d6 ♔c2-d3
♔d6-d7 ♗f7-c4 e7-e8♕ ♗c4-b5+ ♔d7-e7 ♗b5xe8 ♔e7xe8 ♔d3-e4 ♔e8-f7 ♔e4-e5
h2-h4 h7-h6 ♔f7-g6 ♔e5-d6 ♔g6xf6 ♔d6-d7 ♔f6-g7 ♔d7-d6 f5-f6 ♔d6-d7 f6-f7
♔d7-e6 f7-f8♕ ♔e6-e5 ♔g7xh6 ♔e5-e4 g4-g5 ♔e4-e3 g5-g6 ♔e3-d4 g6-g7 ♔d4-e4
g7-g8♕ ♔e4-d4 ♕f8-f4+ ♔d4-c5 ♕g8-c4+ ♔c5-b6 ♕f4-c7+) +M25/69 876) White wins _ mate in 25. |
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| Mar-01-23 | | jrredfield: I guess I was trying to find something more spectacular such as 37 e8Q Bxe8 38 Rxh7 which would have been disastrous for White. 37 g4 simply seemed too quiet to grab my attention. But it clearly is the only really strong move for White although h3 will also win. So while some say there are many winning moves, I can only find these two. |
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| Mar-01-23 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: The King studied this final on the board.
I chose the move 37. g4 with the line: Kc2 38. Kd4 b1=Q 39. Rxb1 Kxb1 40. Kc5 Kc2 41. Kd6 Kd3 42. Kd7 Ke4 43. e8=Q+ Bxe8+ 44. Kxe8 Kf4 45. h3 Kg3 46. Kf7 Kxh3 47. Kxf6 Kxg4 48. Ke6 h5 49. f6 h4 50. f7 h3 51. f8=Q h2 52. Qf1 Kg3 53. Qh1 with easy win. For the case of 37. Rc7+ Bc4 38. e8=Q b1=Q 39. Rxc4+ Kxc4 40. Qc6+ Kb3 41. Qb5+ Kc2 42. Qxb1+ Kxb1 the end game seems similar to already shown. For 37. g4 the King saw the answer to complicate the position: 37...h5 38. h3? Kc2 39. Kd4 b1=Q 40. Rxb1 Kxb1 41. gxh5 Bxh5 42. Kd5 Bf7+ 43. Kd6 Kc2 44. Kd7 Kd3 45. e8=Q Bxe8+ 46. Kxe8 Ke4 47. Ke7 Kxf5 48. h4 Kg6 49. h5+ Kxh5 50. Kxf6 Game tie. However, White can lost with 37. Rc7+ Kb3 38. Kd4 b1=Q 39. Rb7+ Kc2 40. Rxb1 Kxb1 41. g4! h5! 42. h3? Kc2 43. Kc5 Kd3 44. Kd6 Ke4 45. Kd7 Kf4 46. e8=Q Bxe8+ 47. Kxe8 hxg4 48. hxg4 Kxg4 49. Ke7 Kxf5 (White lost a 'tempo' with 42, h3?). If Black don't give the check 42... Kc2 43. Ke6 Kd3 44. Kxf6 Ke4 45. Ke6 Be8 46. f6 and it is lost. White must answer 37... g5 with 38. gxh5! Bxh5 39. Ke4 Kc2 40. Kd5 Bf7+ 41. Kd6 b1=Q 42. Rxb1 Kxb1 43. Kd7 Kc2 44. e8=Q Bxe8+ 45. Kxe8 Kd3 46. Ke7 Ke4 47. Kxf6 and win. |
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Mar-01-23
 | | WannaBe: I Had Rook take pawn first, before the pawn push. |
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| Mar-01-23 | | Mayankk: I saw the potential of 37 g4 and how the Black King got out of action after 37 g4 Kc2 38 Kf4 b1=Q 39 Rxb1 Kxb1 40 g5 fxg5+ 41 Kxg5 etc. After this the Black Bishop will sacrifice itself to prevent the queening of one pawn but the other one will queen anyways. I later saw that the game line was 38 Kd4. It is likely better than 38 Kf4 since there is no need to exchange one pawn. Also the King reaches its target squares at e3/d2 faster. |
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| Mar-01-23 | | agb2002: White has a rook and a pawn for a bishop.
Black threatens Kc2-b1=Q.
White can push the g-pawn to create another passed pawn, 37.g4: A) 37... Kc2 38.Kd4 b1=Q 39.Rxb1 Kxb1 40.Kc5
A.1) 40... Kc2 41.Kd6 Kd3 (41... Be8 42.Ke6 Kd3 43.Kxf6 Ke4 44.Ke6, followed by f6, wins) 42.Kd7 Ke4 43.e8=Q+ Bxe8 44.Kxe8 Kf4 (44... Ke5 45.Kf7 is winning) 45.Kf7 Kg5 (45... Kxg4 46.Kxf6 wins) 46.h4+ Kxh4 47.Kxf6 Kxg4 48.Ke5 h5 49.f6 h4 50.f7 h3 51.f8=Q h2 52.Qf1 wins. A.2) 40... h5 41.gxh5 Bxh5 42.Kd6 Bf7 (42... Kc2 43.Ke6 Kd3 44.Kxf6 wins) 43.Kd7 Kc2 44.e8=Q as above. B) 37... h5 38.Kf4
B.1) 38... hxg4 39.Kxg4 followed by h4-h5, etc.
B.2) 38... Kc2 39.g5 fxg5+ 40.Kxg5 b1=Q 41.Rxb1 Kxb1 42.Kf6 Be8 43.Kg7, followed by f6-f7, wins. C) 37... h6 38.h4 Kc2 (38... h5 39.g5 fxg5 40.hxg5, followed by g6, wins) 39.Kf4, followed by g5, is winning. |
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| Mar-01-23 | | Mayankk: Why did Spassky play 36 ... Bf7 instead of playing 36 ... Kc2 immediately? It may not really make much of a difference but it seems that Bf7 actually makes it easier for King to harass the Bishop while wasting a move at the same time. |
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| Mar-01-23 | | cocker: Apparently 37 h3 also wins, preparing g4. |
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Mar-01-23
 | | scormus: The winning strategy is not difficult to see, but the first move is critical. W has no useful K or R move until B moves .... Kc2, which is needed before .... b1Q. W has an extra tempo that is utilised by 37 g4 or h3, giving enough time to force the p-B exchange on e8 and still come back for c6 and queen the c-pawn. If W wastes that tempo (e.g. 37 Rc7+??), B can draw or even win if W attempts to win by the same sequence. |
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| Mar-01-23 | | Damenlaeuferbauer: America's world star, the immortal Robert James "Bobby" Fischer, finished off this position with 37.g4!,Kc2 38.Kd4,b1Q 39.Rxb1,Kxb1 40.Kc5,Kc2 41.Kd6 (Joe Gallagher, Beating the Anti-Sicilians, Batsford, London, 4th edition 2001, p.89). Even at the age of 49 years, he played endgames as this like a computer. |
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| Mar-01-23 | | TheaN: Instructive endgame finish that demonstrates the principles of zugzwang and simplification. White has to be careful here to not lose sight of the b-pawn whilst creating a favorable position to force e7 to win the bishop. <37.g4> is vital but not overly complicated: it prevents Bh5, essentially putting Black in zugzwang: the king has to stick to b2, the bishop to e8, and 37....h5 38.h3 doesn't change anything (might not be the best move but principally). Thus <37....Kc2> is pretty much the only move available. The h5-h3 intermezzo doesn't matter as without the h-pawns on the board, White simply queens f6 later in the line. Kc2 has a point, b1Q is now a threat. White anticipated this and plays <38.Kd4!> given <38....b1Q 39.Rxb1 Kxb1 40.Kc5> and now White is close enough. <40....Kc2 41.Kd6 Kd3 42.Kd7 Ke4 43.e8Q Bxe8 44.Kxe8 Kf4 45.Kf7 Kxg4 46.Kxf6 h5 47.Kg6 h4 48.f6 h3 (Kh3 49.Kg5 +-) 49.f7 Kf2 50.f8Q+ Kg2 51.Kg7!!> absolutely brilliant final move! Not because of strength: I want to end with my king on h8.
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<51....Kh1 (Kg1 52.Qf3 Kxh2 53.Qf2+ Kh1 54.Kh8! h2 55.Qf1#) 52.Qf3+ Kg1 (Kxh2 53.Qf2+ as above) 53.Kg8! Kxh2 54.Qf2+ Kh1 55.Kh8! h2 56.Qf1#>:
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Mar-01-23
 | | chrisowen: I bike foggy couth it's g4 fell in bag can doh it's blusher dah it's axiom jug brave it's ya g4 aka? |
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Mar-01-23
| | chrisowen: Hapiness and loneliness x |
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| Mar-01-23 | | Messiah: <chrisowen: Hapiness and loneliness x> You described <perfy> after a severe and intensive badmouthing session. |
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Mar-01-23
| | chrisowen: Good account mack queen relish? |
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Mar-01-23
 | | Jimfromprovidence: It's interesting that either 37 g4 or 37 h3 wins. It has to be that those moves allow white to form a pawn chain with his king side pawns, forcing black to lose a tempo (or more?) with his king in the attempt to capture those pawns. On the other hand 37 g3 is too slow. It only draws. There's plenty to digest here. |
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| Mar-01-23 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: Would be good if fishouse could tell us if the following line is good, or White has better moves to apply... 30...Kd5 31. Rd1+ Kc5 32. Rd8 Kb5 33. Rc8 Bd7 34. Rb8+ Ka4 35. e8=Q Bxe8 36. Rxe8 b3 37. Kf2 Ka3 38. Ke2 b2 39. Rb8 Ka2 40. Kd2 b1=Q 41. Rxb1 Kxb1... Again is Spassky playing so bad against Fisher? |
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| Jun-23-23 | | Saul Goodman: <sorrowstealer: I never understood why Kasparov said this games as old man's chess. > At the time Kasparov wrote the Fischer book, there were really only two candidates for best player ever, Fischer and Kasparov. Accordingly, Garry spends a good deal of effort trying to diminish Fischer, and much of it is nonsense. I love Garry’s books on chess, but this a big blemish for me. |
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Jun-23-23
 | | fredthebear: Is 49 old?
Garry had to say something provocative to sell the books (if GK couldn't improve the published analysis). He's just 20 years behind Bobby in the circle of life. |
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| Jan-13-25 | | ColdSong: Easy to hear or not,this match was indeed an old men's match,far from their level in the beginning of the seventees.It was obvious for Kasparov in his prime,and is confirmed by the computers today.Now call Kasparov's level today a level of old man if you want. |
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| Jan-13-25 | | Petrosianic: <Saul Goodman> <At the time Kasparov wrote the Fischer book, there were really only two candidates for best player ever, Fischer and Kasparov. Accordingly, Garry spends a good deal of effort trying to diminish Fischer, and much of it is nonsense.> Maybe a lot of it is, but the idea that Fischer was way past his prime in 1992 is not. I don't know if you were there at the time, but the talk before the match was that Fischer hadn't lost a step (this was a common idea at the time), was going to beat Spassky 10-0, then challenge Kasparov and beat him too. Furthermore, the story was that to get Fischer to play the match, Campomanes gave Fischer a certificate certifying that Fischer had never lost the title at all. This despite the fact that Fischer had resigned it in writing, and there had been 7 World Championship matches since then, 5 of which Kasparov had played in. So yeah, you can see why he might be a little dismissive. In the end, Fischer played the match with a performance rating of 2640, and all the people who had expected him to beat Kasparov raved about how Fischer had done so much better than they'd expected (!). |
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Jan-13-25
 | | harrylime: Here we go
FISCHER
Is 1955 until 1972
anything after 1972 is BS and I do not take seriously. |
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