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| Aug-30-17 | | Albion 1959: Never really understood Petrosian's 17th move Kf8?!The obvious and natural move has to be O-O. Petrosian may well have been concerned by Bxh6 etc with a possible attack. But wasn't Petrosian the master of defence? Okay, if he was concerned then Ke7!? to avoid castling has got to be better than Kf8? This way the rooks are connected and black is developing the pieces. I am certainly no strong chess player, but my instincts tell me that the king on f8 with the rook on incarcerated on h8 cannot be the best way for Petrosian to handle this position? Unless I have missed something, then I stand to be corrected! |
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Aug-30-17
 | | beatgiant: <Albion 1959>
Previous kibitzers have discussed it (I know, 5 pages of kibitzing already) and it's generally agreed that 17...0-0 would have been better.In a post in <Jan-09-16> above, <Joshka> claimed it was a fingerfehler, with Petrosian about to castle when the king fell out of his hand onto f8. But, he did not post any source for this theory. |
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| Aug-30-17 | | Howard: So, at one point was the draw gone for good from Petrosian's perspective? |
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| Aug-31-17 | | Retireborn: <Howard> It does look as if Black is on the ropes after 21.f5! Houdini gives 20...Nh5 (a move I have not seen suggested elsewhere) and then if 21.f5 Nxe5 22.dxe5 Bxe5 23.fxe6 as in the game, Black has 23...Nf4! with more activity than in the game. Another possibility in this line would be 22...Bc5+ (instead of 22...Bxe5) - then 23.Kh1 Qxe5 24.fxe6 Bd6 25.Nf3 Ng3+ 26.Bxg3 Qxg3 would seem to keep White's advantage to a minimum. |
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| Aug-31-17 | | SChesshevsky: I'm guessing 17...Kf8 and 18...Be8 is an admission that his position is a lot worse. 20...Ng8 and Petrosian probably feels busted. Computers can likely find saving tries like the hanging ...Nh5 or the weakening ...g6 because they calculate ways to survive it. At least for awhile. But it's probably not likely a GM at that time, especially Petrosian, would want to take the chance or time on that active defense unless they clearly saw the compensation. |
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| Sep-02-17 | | andrea volponi: 19...g6 - Bxg6 (kasparov)fxg6 -Nxg6+ Kg7 -Nxh8 Kxh8 -f5 Nh5! -Qe1 exf5 -Qe6 Ne7 -Qxh6+ Kg8 -Qg5+ Ng7 :A)28 Rae1 ⩲ : B)Bg3 ⩲ |
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| Jul-25-18 | | Inocencio: Fischer played like Petrosian! |
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Jul-25-18
 | | HeMateMe: In Robert Byrne's auto bio he said that Petrosian's wife would approach him at tournaments and ask how her husband was doing. Byrne said "Why don't you ask the other Russian players?" Mrs. P "I can't count on them to tell the truth, but I know you will be honest with me." Byrne wrote "My answer was usually "Tigran stands well" but that could no longer be my answer as Bobby Fischer's chess improved." |
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| Dec-29-18 | | PJs Studio: Petrosian was a bit off his game and Fischer treated him to an epic beating. |
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Dec-29-18
 | | Joshka: <beatgiant> Well since I wasn't there to view it, I read it somewhere. When I find the source I'll print it. As if I would just conjure something like thus up?? Get real! |
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Dec-29-18
 | | harrylime: <HeMateMe: In Robert Byrne's auto bio he said that Petrosian's wife would approach him at tournaments and ask how her husband was doing.
Byrne said "Why don't you ask the other Russian players?" Mrs. P "I can't count on them to tell the truth, but I know you will be honest with me." Byrne wrote "My answer was usually "Tigran stands well" but that could no longer be my answer as Bobby Fischer's chess improved."> Fischer was the best player in the world from 1962 onwards in the 60's Only politics and himself and the COMMIE CHEATS kept him from the ultimate prize. |
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Jan-10-19
| | Joshka: <beatgiant> Also, had I known about this 17th move from Black, I would have asked him when I played him in a simul back in Boston in the early 80's!! |
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| Jan-17-19 | | RookFile: It's a wonderful game. Petrosian was so slippery - against many a player I'm sure he would have gotten a draw anyway out of this. |
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| Mar-31-20 | | piroflip: Fischer was the best ever and Kasparov fans know it. If *** boys don't like that fact,,,,,,,,,hard luck. |
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| Jun-23-20 | | Saul Goodman: <harrylime> “Only politics and himself and the COMMIE CHEATS kept him from the ultimate prize.“ Botvinnik was a Communist. It’s kind of hard to argue that Bronstein, Korchnoi and Keres were “commies.” I don’t know Spassky’s political views, but he spent most of his post-Champion years in Paris, so he was probably not a Communist. Fischer won the World Championship at age 29. Most players before him didn’t get to compete for the Championship before that age. So yeah, the Soviet players colluded to keep him out, but it pretty much worked out the way it would have without their collusion. If Fischer had won the championship sooner, he most likely would have just cracked up sooner. |
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| Jun-23-20 | | Straclonoor: <Botvinnik was a Communist. It’s kind of hard to argue that Bronstein, Korchnoi and Keres were “commies.” I don’t know Spassky’s political views, but he spent most of his post-Champion years in Paris, so he was probably not a Communist.>
Only three person among 7 Soviet chess champion were communists - Botvinnik, Karpov and .... Kasparov! Other four - never been. |
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Jun-23-20
| | harrylime: yasser seirawan would attribute this win to Karpov |
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| Jun-23-20 | | Atking: <harrylime> I doubt of that. When you look at the first game of the match Fischer-Spassky in 1992 (Sure Spassky was not longer at his best but very motivated he played probably up to 2600 Elo which means actually in supposed inflation, up 2700 in relative force). After 20 years out of practice Fischer played the Ruy-Lopez strategically like Karpov AND tactically like Kasparov at their best. Fischer was a chess genius. |
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| Jun-23-20 | | Atking: 34.c4! a simple yet wonderful conclusion of a great strategical battle between 2 giants. Black King will never get an asylum on Queen side. |
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| Jun-23-20 | | Saul Goodman: < Straclonoor>: “Only three person among 7 Soviet chess champion were communists - Botvinnik, Karpov and .... Kasparov!“ I can’t speak to what Kasparov did as a young man, but history will record him as pro-democracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renew... |
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| Jun-23-20 | | Saul Goodman: <Atking> “ When you look at the first game of the match Fischer-Spassky in 1992 (Sure Spassky was not longer at his best but very motivated he played probably up to 2600 Elo which means actually in supposed inflation, up 2700 in relative force). After 20 years out of practice Fischer played the Ruy-Lopez strategically like Karpov AND tactically like Kasparov at their best. Fischer was a chess genius.” Fischer played that one game at 2800 strength, and then played The rest of the match like an old man who hadn’t played in 20 years. |
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| Jun-24-20 | | Atking: <Saul Good man : Fischer played that one game at 2800 strength, and then played The rest of the match like an old man who hadn’t played in 20 years.> Sure, physically he wasn't anymore in athletic shape and couldn't give the best of himself in each game. Nevertheless the 2nd game was quite impressive too (Looking at it, the time it was played I tried to imagine what would have been people reaction to a second victory. Probably pro will said Fischer is back and cons will say Spassky is too weak). Games 7, 8, 25 are quite good; game 11 is a gem. The last game also is quite underestimated. On Spassky side the game 26 was very impressive. I remember a lot of critics, but Vishy Anand put it on better way saying that his match with Ivanchuck shows also a lot of mistake. Globally there is games showing fatigue but a lot of great battle too showing Fischer has, at his best, an incredible insight on the position. |
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| Dec-16-20 | | RadioBoy: Botvinnik and Bronstein were I think the only two Soviet grandmasters who didn't sign the anti Korchnoi petition after he defected. |
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| Dec-16-20 | | Olavi: <RadioBoy: Botvinnik and Bronstein were I think the only two Soviet grandmasters who didn't sign the anti Korchnoi petition after he defected.> Also Spassky, Gulko and... Karpov. |
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| Apr-28-21 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: <Saul Goodman> Keres was anti-communist and he was penalised for having competed in Nazi-sponsored tournaments. Neither Bronstein nor Spassky joined the Communist Party. Korchnoi did, but it was his condemnation of the USSSR's decision to boycott the Haifa Olympiad that determined the timing of his defection. In addition to Botvinnik, Petrosian and Geller were known to be pro-communist. Tal did sign the letter condemning Korchnoi's defection, but Korchnoi did hint that the condemnation was not genuine, and indeed Pachman related an extraordinary remark by Tal in 1967, in which he questioned whether there was much reason to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of the communist takeover. |
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