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May-09-22 | | Ulhumbrus: Fischer indicated during the early 1960s that Petrosian was the strongest player in the world then. Korchnoi said that most players- including perhaps most Soviet players - regarded Petrosian's style with contempt but Fischer alone amongst them evaluated Petrosian's style more accurately. Fischer said that he liked Petrosian's play more than that of Tal, Spassky or Botvinnik. This suggests that Fischer considered Petrosian's play to be more accurate or sounder than that of Tal, Spassky or Botvinnik. Perhaps Fischer considered Petrosian's play to be more in accordance with what Fischer evaluated the true state of balance of the position to be than the play of Tal, Spassky or Botvinnik. Possibly in comparison with Petrosian's play Fischer considered Tal's play to be less sound at times, Spassky's play to be too optimistic at times and Botvinnik's play to lack sufficient foresight at times. |
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May-11-22
 | | 0ZeR0: <Ulhumbrus: Fischer indicated during the early 1960s that Petrosian was the strongest player in the world then... Fischer said that he liked Petrosian's play more than that of Tal, Spassky or Botvinnik.> That's interesting, especially the second one. Not that I don't believe you but what are the sources for these? |
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May-11-22
 | | HeMateMe: difficult to rank players from different eras. Carlsen has played a LOT of chess, played in more tournaments than Fischer or Spassky, absolutely more than Capablanca. The more you play, the more often you'll have a bad day and get a chess lesson. Especially when you factor in internet G30 tournaments. |
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May-11-22
 | | 0ZeR0: <HMM>
That is certainly one of the key reasons why it's impractical to compare players of different eras. I like what Michael Jordan (a man who knew greatness probably as much as anyone ever has) had to say about greatness in basketball: <I believe greatness is an evolutionary process that changes and evolves era to era.> This of course can apply to most anything, including chess. |
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May-11-22 | | Ulhumbrus: < 0ZeR0: <Ulhumbrus: Fischer indicated during the early 1960s that Petrosian was the strongest player in the world then... Fischer said that he liked Petrosian's play more than that of Tal, Spassky or Botvinnik.> That's interesting, especially the second one. Not that I don't believe you but what are the sources for these?> Korchnoi's remarks about Petrosian come from the earlier version of his book <Chess is my life> Batsford first paperback edition 1978, chapter 8, page 46, penultimate paragraph <...For years, chess masters regarded his inimitable style with contempt and fear...> Kasparov in his book <My great predecessors part III>, the book on Petrosian and Spassky, page 54, col 1 quotes Kotov saying that Fischer said <If Petrosian played more boldly, he would be the strongest player in the world> I suggest that Petrosian was indeed the strongest player in the world in the early 1960s from 1960 to 1963 and that Petrosian was at his peak during this period. I don't remember where I read that Fischer said that he liked the play of Petrosian more than that of Tal, Spassky or Botvinnik although he may have said it to Hort or to Gligorich. |
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May-11-22
 | | perfidious: <0Zer0>, that is a most insightful quote from Jordan and one I had never seen. A bit of irony: the one time I saw Jordan play live, he made little impression (17 during a season in which his average was twice that), but teammate Horace Grant came through with a big game as Bulls crushed Knicks anyway. |
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May-11-22
 | | 0ZeR0: <Ulhumbrus: < 0ZeR0: <Ulhumbrus: Fischer indicated during the early 1960s that Petrosian was the strongest player in the world then... Fischer said that he liked Petrosian's play more than that of Tal, Spassky or Botvinnik.> That's interesting, especially the second one. Not that I don't believe you but what are the sources for these?> Korchnoi's remarks about Petrosian come from the earlier version of his book <Chess is my life> Batsford first paperback edition 1978, chapter 8, page 46, penultimate paragraph <...For years, chess masters regarded his inimitable style with contempt and fear...> Kasparov in his book <My great predecessors part III>, the book on Petrosian and Spassky, page 54, col 1 quotes Kotov saying that Fischer said <If Petrosian played more boldly, he would be the strongest player in the world> I suggest that Petrosian was indeed the strongest player in the world in the early 1960s from 1960 to 1963 and that Petrosian was at his peak during this period. I don't remember where I read that Fischer said that he liked the play of Petrosian more than that of Tal, Spassky or Botvinnik although he may have said it to Hort or to Gligorich.> Thank you for the informative and thorough reply. I have read both of the books by Korchnoi and Kasparov though it has been quite some time. I agree with you regarding Petrosian's playing strength during this time as well. |
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May-11-22
 | | 0ZeR0: <perfidious: <0Zer0>, that is a most insightful quote from Jordan and one I had never seen. A bit of irony: the one time I saw Jordan play live, he made little impression (17 during a season in which his average was twice that), but teammate Horace Grant came through with a big game as Bulls crushed Knicks anyway.> Horace Grant always did strike me as a dependable sidekick for MJ. One who would almost always come up big right when you needed him to. |
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May-11-22
 | | HeMateMe: charles Oakley was always a little bitter that Bulls GM Jerry Krause swapped him to New York and then went out and got Grant, but Oak never had the offensive chops. Chicago doesn't win some of those rings without Grant. Cheapskate Bulls later lost Grant to Miami, where he won a title there, too. |
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May-11-22
 | | harrylime: Is the great FIXER alive in that photo above ?? Just sayin ... |
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May-11-22 | | Petrosianic: <harrydavidchapman>: <Is the great FIXER alive in that photo above ??> You WOULD ask a question like that, Killer duh lol |
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Jul-21-22
 | | Joshka: <Benzol><OZeRO> I sure did have the game score, but have misplaced it over all the years I have collected chess books/magazines/postal chess cards/ have probably thrown out more chess memorabilia than folks possess. <how did you get on> think I resigned in about 13 or 14 moves. I was an absolute beginner, just getting chess fever. I also played <Susan Polgar> when they called her by her Hungarian name and her hair was naturally curly/dark and very thick. Believe it was her first professional appearance in America as a chess professional. Hoping I can find these games scores by these two GM's I played. Also played John Curdo and my first chess event ever was a simul against Jimmy Rizzitano. |
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Jul-21-22
 | | offramp: I am older when the great Petrosian died. He was pretty young. |
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Aug-13-22 | | Rudolf Zipperer: It's amazing that Petrosian only lost 3 out nearly 100 games after 1. c4?! https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... |
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Aug-13-22 | | Rudolf Zipperer: By the way, anyone know, why there's a different number of games after 1.c4?! On this page, under most played openings, there are 96 games listed. But, when you click on it there are 98 games listed?! Strange ... |
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Aug-13-22
 | | perfidious: <Rudolf>, there are now fewer games than before, as I have reclassified some and propose to complete yet more. Most likely hundreds, if not thousands of games listed under A10-19 are assigned incorrect codes. |
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Aug-14-22 | | Rudolf Zipperer: <perfidious: <Rudolf>, there are now fewer games than before, as I have reclassified some and propose to complete yet more. Most likely hundreds, if not thousands of games listed under A10-19 are assigned incorrect codes.> Thanks <perfidious>! That makes sense. Opening classifications seems like a nightmare to me, with all the move orders and transpositions. |
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Aug-14-22 | | Ron: <Rudolf Zipperer: It's amazing that Petrosian only lost 3 out nearly 100 games after 1. c4?!
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... And one of those losses was an uncharacteristic speculative attack against...Mikhail Tal! Petrosian vs Tal, 1976 |
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Aug-14-22 | | Rudolf Zipperer: <Ron: <Rudolf Zipperer: It's amazing that Petrosian only lost 3 out nearly 100 games after 1. c4?! https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... And one of those losses was an uncharacteristic speculative attack against...Mikhail Tal! Petrosian vs Tal, 1976>
Very true. They were good friends after all, weren't they? Would explain that game. Petrosian mimicking Tal. "Living legends." ... "Barely living" ... |
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Nov-01-22
 | | technical draw: Petrosian has almost as many draws as Botvinnik has total games played. He was truly hard to beat. |
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Feb-09-23
 | | Eggman: Question (answer) on Jeopardy today: "Tigran Petrosian, on an Armenian dram, was a world champion of this game." The answer (question): "What is chess?"
"Dram", for those who don't know (I didn't) is Armenian currency. |
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Aug-06-23
 | | gezafan: Petrosian was known for his king moves as was Steinitz. It would be interesting to say what players made the most king moves and what players castled the least. You could analyze it per game, per set number of moves, for example 40, and in different phases of the game. 40 is about the average length of a game. You could do it per 100 as another way to make it "neat." |
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Aug-06-23
 | | gezafan: I've reminded myself of a chess problem I created (Or read somehere, forgot I read it and thought I created). After 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5... Steinitz to move and lose |
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Aug-06-23
 | | gezafan: It should read see what players made the most king moves. Darn autocorrect. |
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Sep-04-23 | | Ron: <gezafan: Petrosian was known for his king moves as was Steinitz.
It would be interesting to say what players made the most king moves and what players castled the least. You could analyze it per game, per set number of moves, for example 40, and in different phases of the game. 40 is about the average length of a game. You could do it per 100 as another way to make it "neat."> I have a hunch that Kramnik is another player for king moves. I'm going to look into it. |
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