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| Sep-27-18 | | Z truth: <<Focus> The British press actively sought to downplay Vera's achievements.> Is that also an opinion appearing in the historical literature too? [Meaning that other historian have expressed the same opinion.] . |
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| Sep-27-18 | | TheFocus: <Z truth: <<Focus> The British press actively sought to downplay Vera's achievements.> <Is that also an opinion appearing in the historical literature too?> Yes, it is. In Tanner's book, pg. 21, he presents E. S. Tinsley's letter to GM Eliskases addressing this. (I'm not typing out the letter. This is not the only reference I have to this downplaying, but I am not going to present my sources here, because I plan to make use of them elsewhere.) Look through British Chess Magazine and see how her results are covered. In one tournament, which she won, none of her games appear. I believe second place had 2 or 3 presented. |
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| Sep-27-18 | | Z truth: <Focus> I understand, thanks for the info. I do wonder if there was some element unique to Menchik in particular, or if it was just the general downplaying of any/all female accomplishments. . |
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| Sep-28-18 | | TheFocus: <Z truth: <Focus> I understand, thanks for the info. I do wonder if there was some element unique to Menchik in particular, or if it was just the general downplaying of any/all female accomplishments.> That would be an interesting topic to explore!! Perhaps her case is more noticeable because of her fame. |
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| Sep-28-18 | | Dijon15: I wonder if this line in the bio could be expanded: "Albert Becker quipped that these and the other men she defeated were members of the "Menchik Club." In 1929, at the Carlsbad tournament, Viennese master Albert Becker ridiculed her entry by proposing that any player whom she defeated should be granted membership in the Vera Menchik Club. In that very tournament, Becker himself became the first member. |
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Sep-28-18
 | | MissScarlett: <The British press actively sought to downplay Vera's achievements.> The chess press, the general press or both? And was this strategy the result of an actual conspiracy or was it an <incredible meeting of minds, a consensus -- mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy>? |
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Sep-28-18
 | | sachistu: It's embarrassing, but the error I indicated in the 4th game of the first Price-Menchik match was caused by a transcription error on my part (on move 20). The score as given in the book is apparently correct (or at least plausible), even though Tanner gives no source for the game. The ECO code is incorrect, but that's a minor error. While Tanner is 'off the hook' on that item, I stand by my original comments regarding the book in general. I found it very disappointing. |
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Nov-11-18
 | | HeMateMe: The Czech republic honors Vera Menchik with a postage stamp <https://c8.alamy.com/comp/DGRKG4/po...> The bio here states that she was born in Moscow to Czech parents then moved to England at age nine, and of course died in a London air raid in 1944. Did she never actually live in Czechoslovakia? |
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| Nov-11-18 | | Paint My Dragon: <HMM: Czech parents> It actually says 'English and Czech' parents above. Her mother was English and was able to get the family some assistance at the British Consul (for a move to Hastings) when things went badly wrong for them in Moscow. The 1917 revolution had resulted in them losing part of their house and the father's business. Vera never lived in Czechoslovakia, but sometimes visited her father in Carlsbad, after her parents separated. |
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| Nov-11-18 | | zanzibar: (According to wiki...)
She was born in Moscow (her Czech father was an estate-manager of several Russian properties, her British mother was a governess). But despite her parents backgrounds it seems she only learned one language as a child, and it wasn't Czech or English: <As Vera spoke only Russian she hesitated to go to the local chess club, but at last on 18 March 1923 she joined the Hastings Chess Club and began to take lessons from John Drewitt. Then she became a pupil of the grandmaster Géza Maróczy. During 1923 she played in several team matches.> . |
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| Nov-23-18 | | Dijon15: I ask once again. I wonder if this line in the bio could be expanded: 'Albert Becker quipped that these and the other men she defeated were members of the "Menchik Club."' Proposed expanded text. "In 1929, at the Carlsbad tournament, Viennese master Albert Becker ridiculed her entry by proposing that any player whom she defeated should be granted membership in the Vera Menchik Club. In that very tournament, Becker himself became the first member." |
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Nov-24-18
| | MissScarlett: The matter is not as clearcut as you suggest: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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| Feb-16-19 | | Ironmanth: RIP Vera. |
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Feb-16-19
 | | Penguincw: < Feb-16-13 Sneaky: I propose that from now on, February 16th is known as Vera Menchik day. > Happy Vera Menchik Day then? :) |
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| Oct-05-20 | | login:
Remembering Vera Menchik
http://britishchessnews.com/2020/06... Has a good selection of (as for now) working links to different online sources for Menchik aficionados. |
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| Dec-23-21 | | Polonia: chess champ once said: women's world champ vera menchik and men's world champ alexander alekhine, you cant take away their world championships just because they died or were killed in bombing.. thats like you become champion today and you die tomorrow, but world championship will not happen for 2 years, sure you can say it's vacant title, but champion remains deceased champ, DUH <so> email fide idiots: office@fide.com, ratings@fide.com and tell them that even though dead, they are official champions until new now was crowned; also world chess championship needs to be year event to give regular chess exposure!!! |
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Dec-23-21
 | | perfidious: Who said anything about 'taking away' their legitimately earned titles? |
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Dec-23-21
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<perfidious>
No one, of course.
Nonetheless, new member <Polonia> thinks this is an important message to get out there. <Polonia> has made four posts so far, and three of them have been exactly the same post you read in here. The fourth is a post in the Kibbutzer's Kafe criticizing its habitues. Best Kibbutzer of the year?
You make the call! |
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Dec-23-21
| | perfidious: <jess...Best Kibbutzer of the year?> Dang!
I have a theory: perhaps an ancestor was a member of the Vera Menchik Club. |
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Dec-23-21
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<perfidious> ingenious theory. Supporting science: "Revenge is a dish best served cold..." |
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Jan-12-22
 | | John Saunders: At BritBase I have posted the scores of two <Vera Menchik> games which don't appear in the Robert Tanner book or Mega/Big Database 2022 or here: (1) V.Menchik 1-0 W.Winter, April 1930 Hastings Five-Player Tournament, rd 2, date 15.04.30; (2) W.Winter 1-0 V.Menchik, rd 8, Hastings 1930/31, dated 06.01.1931. I'll upload them here as well. |
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Jan-12-22
 | | Stonehenge: I have processed them, but for sources please use a source tag. |
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Jan-12-22
| | MissScarlett: <[Source "Falkirk Herald, 21 May 1930; Linlithgowshire Gazette, 23 May 193"]> Just one source necessary, except in exceptional circumstances. In this case, it's the same column which regularly appeared in both papers. A page number is also encouraged, where known. I have amended the above to <Source "Falkirk Herald, 1930.05.21, p.15">. |
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| Jan-16-22 | | Polonia: <jessicafischerqueen:
<perfidious>
No one, of course.
Nonetheless, new member <Polonia> thinks this is an important message to get out there. <Polonia> has made four posts so far, and three of them have been exactly the same post you read in here. The fourth is a post in the Kibbutzer's Kafe criticizing its habitues. Best Kibbutzer of the year?
You make the call!>
INSTEAD OF DRINKING TOO MUCH, ANSWER MY POINT! |
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| Jan-16-22 | | Polonia: <perfidious: <jess...Best Kibbutzer of the year?> Dang!
I have a theory: perhaps an ancestor was a member of the Vera Menchik Club.>
How WIKISTUPID U R.... ancestors go back at least thousands of years as in dinosaurus times, we can link crocodile and alligators to them but only ancestors people have are monkey humanoids! |
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