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Dec-15-20
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
Hi Willie,
You may be right, I was thinking of an episode from the 'The High Chaparral' There is chess in one show and the producer/director was a chess enthusiast so added a line when John Cannon asked a cowboy who taught him to play good chess he replied it was a little fellah from New Orleans. The lad said he wanted that bit in so only chess players would get it. see: World Championship Candidates (2020) (kibitz #600) *** |
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Dec-16-20
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
Hi Willie,
Looks like I am wrong. In the original 1982 book Tevis gives the opening as an Albin Counter. So they got it from there. (maybe Tevis was giving chess players a nod back in 1982!) *** |
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Dec-16-20
 | | Williebob: ^^Got it, thanks Sally. They should call it The Sexism Gambit!
<little fellah from New Orleans> - good catch |
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Dec-16-20
 | | AylerKupp: <<Sally Simpson> One lad got upset because someone played the Albin Counter Gambit v her...adding no good player would play that in a serious game.> I just finished reading "The Queen's Gambit". And that was no "good player" who played that against her, it was Vasily Borgov (a nod to Smyslov?), the reigning world champion for the previous 5 years. And it was indeed a "serious" game. It was the last round of a Moscow tournament when Harmon and Borgov, both undefeated, met in the final round to determine the tournament winner. There seems to be some question as to whether Borgov played the Albin Countergambit or not since the opening was described as the "Albin Counter". But the book is clear that the opening started with 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5. And, furthermore, after a few comments the game was described as continuing by 3.dxe5 d4 which is definitely the Albin Countergambit. I am familiar with the Albin Countergambit as a result of my participation in Team White vs Team Black, 2012, when I was part of Team Black. As to whether Borgov was indicating his contempt for Harmon, which he had recently beaten twice before without apparent difficulty, by playing a defense in an important game which for players rated 2500+ is dubious (the ChessTempo database has 125 games with 3...d4 between players rated 2500+ and the results are that White wins 44%, Black wins 24.8%, with 31.2% draws) I'll others decide. I liked the book. It accurately captured a lot of the essence of chess tournament play. I particularly enjoyed "in-jokes" such a reference to a "Mr. Byrne" which I don't think could have been a coincidence and Harmon winning the US Championship with a score of 11-0 which is clearly an homage to Fischer. And some of the boorish behavior of some of her opponents when they lost were familiar, although I've been associated with far worse when my opponent got up from the table and threw his king across the board, knocking down many of the pieces, and stormed away. And when (spoiler alert!) Harmon wins the final tournament game against Borgov, Borgov gets up and begins to applaud her, followed by the audience. A clear reference to Spassky vs Fischer, 1972 when, after he resigned, Spassky stood up and started to applaud Fischer, followed by the audience. Too bad that we don't have a video of that scene. Sure, there were some inaccuracies in the book starting on p. 9 where in Harmon's first lesson, playing Black, she was subjected to the Scholar's Mate in 4 moves when one of the reasons was given as her teacher's play of Ng1-f3. In the Scholar's Mate? And the story is set in the 1960s, yet there was a reference to international player ratings. Well, FIDE didn't start officially publishing their ratings until 1970, so this could not have been possible. But these are nitpicks and, overall, I detected a much smaller number of technical flaws than I expected to detect given previous chess-related novels I've read and chess-related movies I've seen.
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I have not yet seen the Netflix series since I don't subscribe to Netflix but I may join just to see it. And maybe find more technical flaws. :-) |
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Dec-17-20
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
Hi AylerKupp,
You are correct about FIDE rating lists but there were rating lists long before ELO. Here is a BCF 1958 list. https://www.saund.co.uk/britbase/pd... I've been using the old ones to decipher Aitken's handwriting regarding opponents. *** |
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Dec-19-20
 | | AylerKupp: <<Sally Simpson> You are correct about FIDE rating lists but there were rating lists long before ELO.> Yes, of course. Many countries had their own rating systems before FIDE officially introduced theirs in 1970, although Dr. Elo had provided FIDE with rating lists from 1966 through 1999. For example, the USCF used the Elo rating system starting in 1960 and the Harkness rating system before that. And, of course, the different countries' ratings are not directly comparable. But I doubt that either the BCF or the USCF would have assigned a rating to the world chess champion who happened to be a Soviet at that time, and there would be no question of comparing the ratings of participants from different countries in an international tournament. So I could only assume that they were referring to the non-existent FIDE rating based on the Elo rating system. But again, that was a nitpick, particularly about a fictional character. Which is a good segue to mention a fun book I have. It's called "The 100 Most Influential People Who Never Lived". It lists, among many James Bond, Robin Hood, Dracula, Sherlock Holmes, Romeo and Juliet, Harry Potter, and many others (actually more than 100). |
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Dec-21-20
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
Hi AylerKupp,
I knew you knew, others we know may not have known what we know. (but I suspect you knew that.) Quite a few of "The 100 Most Influential People Who Never Lived" were based on or inspired by real people, but you knew that as well. *** |
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Sep-17-21
 | | kingscrusher: The Netfix news has just come to light on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comm... |
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Sep-17-21 | | Messiah: https://deadline.com/2021/09/queens... |
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Sep-17-21
 | | Tabanus: She always played men, but also played in women events. She did well in e. g. Lone Pine (1977). |
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Sep-17-21
 | | Williebob: May as well go for that big shady Netflix money, though it seems a marginal case for defamation (an intentional 'underpromotion' is a long way from false accusation; I'm sure they just want to quietly settle with the big rich company if possible). At least the media coverage of the lawsuit makes the truth abundantly clear for the public. Hopefully a loss in court wouldn't be a financial loss for Nona herself - I hope she's getting good counsel. She certainly deserves the attention and respect in the wake of the show, being the real Beth Harmon of the 60s and 70s! |
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Sep-17-21
 | | al wazir: <Georgian chess icon Nona Gaprindashvili has filed a defamation lawsuit against Netflix, saying she was incorrectly portrayed in the hit series The Queen's Gambit. The case refers to a sequence in the drama's final episode which says Gaprindashvili, now 80, had never played competitive chess with men. The document says that by 1968, the year in which the episode is set, she had faced at least 59 male players.> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainm....I'm really, really glad that I never watched this potboiler. |
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Sep-17-21
 | | MissScarlett: Next they'll be telling us that Beth Harmon wasn't world champion. |
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Sep-18-21 | | RookFile: Classic nuisance lawsuit - she'll settle out of court for whatever she can get. |
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Sep-18-21 | | nok: Evidence?
Do you enjoy public misinformation about you? |
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Sep-18-21
 | | kingscrusher: <RookFile> But Rookfile it seems that she was the real "Beth Harmon" - she even drew with Vishy Anand among her achievements. See my blog post here: https://lichess.org/@/Kingscrusher-... It seems a bit bad of Netflix do these historical fiction dramas but with license to apparently pick on real name characters around the same time, and then kind of erase their achievements. She was actually a breakthrough women player - the first Woman Grandmaster and the 5th Women's world champion. Also the Netflix series did not feature any of her games. It seems the fictional Beth Harmon has been at the expense of the real Beth Harmon on this occasion. |
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Sep-18-21
 | | kingscrusher: This story made it to the front of the BBC news site last night btw - 17th September 2021 |
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Sep-18-21
 | | kingscrusher: BBC News link: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertai... |
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Sep-28-21
 | | Sally Simpson: Viz (a comic adult only UK publication) have done a 5 page piece on chess. A page is dedicated to the Nona lawsuit though the names have been changed to protect the innocent and keep the lawyers at bay. In this case it is a male ex-laundry worker claiming his life and Beth Harman are too similar for it to be a coincidence citing many ridiculous examples. https://www.redhotpawn.com/chess-bl... |
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Oct-09-21 | | Albertan: Netflix must compensate legendary female chess player: https://dailytitan.com/opinion/netf... |
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Oct-09-21
 | | HeMateMe: She wont get a dime in court. Yes, netflix was rude and ignorant but Nona G. has suffered no financial damages. There was no money in chess five minutes ago and there isn't any money now. I suspect netflix will wait and see if a court will even hear it. If so, she'll be offered a very modest sum to drop the case. She'll go home with a little money and a weak apology. |
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Jan-28-22 | | Albertan: Netflix must face ´Queen’s Gambit’ lawsuit from Chess great,Judge says: https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/ne... |
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Jan-29-22
 | | Sally Simpson: BBC are also running with the same story.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertai... It appears a judge has ruled Netflix has to go to court. "...the fact that the series was a fictional work does not insulate Netflix from liability for defamation if all the elements of defamation are otherwise present." |
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Jan-29-22
 | | FSR: I am reading the court's ruling, which you can find in this story: https://www.chess.com/news/view/gap... |
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Feb-05-22
 | | Gypsy: Attorneys discussing the results of QG/Netflix defamation of Nona G. on a law-based podcast for laymen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33i...
The sub-segment on QG starts at
2:18:55 |
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