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Nigel Short
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Number of games in database: 3,066
Years covered: 1974 to 2024
Last FIDE rating: 2594 (2533 rapid, 2566 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2712
Overall record: +1014 -455 =1086 (60.9%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 511 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (583) 
    B90 B23 B40 B32 B33
 Ruy Lopez (226) 
    C84 C78 C92 C86 C77
 French Defense (161) 
    C11 C18 C10 C19 C01
 Caro-Kann (119) 
    B12 B10 B17 B11 B18
 Ruy Lopez, Closed (111) 
    C84 C92 C86 C90 C93
 Sicilian Najdorf (111) 
    B90 B92 B93 B91 B97
With the Black pieces:
 French Defense (247) 
    C11 C05 C03 C18 C02
 Ruy Lopez (158) 
    C92 C69 C77 C95 C72
 Queen's Pawn Game (131) 
    E00 D02 A40 A46 A45
 Queen's Gambit Declined (117) 
    D37 D35 D30 D31 D36
 Nimzo Indian (105) 
    E34 E21 E42 E44 E32
 French Tarrasch (97) 
    C05 C03 C07 C09 C04
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Short vs Timman, 1991 1-0
   Short vs R J Miles, 1976 1-0
   Short vs Kasparov, 1993 1-0
   Short vs Kasparov, 1993 1/2-1/2
   M Gurevich vs Short, 1990 0-1
   Short vs Gelfand, 1991 1-0
   Short vs Timman, 1987 1-0
   Short vs Gelfand, 1991 1-0
   Short vs J Ye, 2004 1-0
   Short vs R Pogorelov, 2004 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   Kasparov - Short PCA World Championship Match (1993)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2000)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Marbella Zonal qual-1 (1982)
   British Championship (1984)
   British Championship (1987)
   British Championship (1998)
   Commonwealth Championship (2008)
   Subotica Interzonal (1987)
   FRG Open Championship (1986)
   Commonwealth and South African Open (2011)
   11th BCC Thailand Open (2011)
   Politiken Cup (2006)
   Gibraltar Masters (2011)
   Gibraltar Masters (2013)
   Groningen Candidates (1997)
   Manila Interzonal (1990)
   Dubai Olympiad (1986)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Match Short! by docjan
   Match Short! by amadeus
   Some S-upermen Post WWII Bet Euw by fredthebear
   0ZeR0's collected games volume 104 by 0ZeR0
   Biel Interzonal 1985 by suenteus po 147
   Would Like to Study these games by FLAWLESSWIN64
   Brussels Blitz 1987 by KingG

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   Short vs A Isanzhulov (Aug-04-24) 1/2-1/2, rapid
   Short vs A Aitbayev (Aug-03-24) 1/2-1/2, rapid

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NIGEL SHORT
(born Jun-01-1965, 59 years old) United Kingdom

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IM (1980); GM (1984); British Champion (1984, 1987, 1998); English Champion (1991); European Union Champion (2001); Commonwealth Champion (2006 & 2008); Candidate (1985, 1988, 1991, 1994 (PCA)); World Championship Challenger (PCA) (1993).

Background

Nigel David Short was born in Leigh in Lancashire, the second son of Jean and David Short. A bona fide chess prodigy, Short defeated Viktor Korchnoi in a simul at the age of 10 and was the youngest ever qualifier for the British Championships at the age of 11. When he earned his International Master title at the age of 14, he was at that time the youngest ever to earn that title. When he won the Grandmaster title at the age of 19, he was the youngest GM in the world at the time. He subsequently rose to dominate English chess in the 80s and 90s following in the wake of Anthony Miles, culminating in a challenge for the World Championship in 1993.

Championships

<Youth> Short was =1st in the World U16 Youth Championship held in Belfort in 1979.

<Junior> He participated in four World Junior Championships from 1980 to 1983. He achieved his best result during his first attempt in which he placed second to Garry Kasparov in 1980 at Dortmund.

<National> In 1977 he became the youngest ever participant in the British Chess Championship by qualifying three days before his twelfth birthday. When Nigel was 14, he tied for 1st place in the British Championship of 1979 with John Nunn and Robert Bellin, earning his first IM norm. Short won the British Chess Championship in 1984, 1987, and 1998, and the English Championship in 1991. He came =1st in the British Championship (2011) at the age of 46, but lost the tie breaker to Michael Adams.

<Commonwealth and Continental> He won the Commonwealth Championships in 2004 (7.5/9) and 2006 (9/10), the Commonwealth Championship (2008) (9.5/11) and came =1st in the Commonwealth and South African Open (2011) (7.5/9). He scored 7.5/13 in the 2nd European Individual Championship held in Ohrid in the FYROM in 2001, won the European Union Individual Championship (2006) held in Liverpool with 7.5/10, and took a share of second place in the European Championship (2008).

<World> Short qualified to play in the Biel Interzonal when he placed =1st alongside Jonathan Speelman in European Zonal 1A held in Brighton in December 1984. Subsequently, in July 1985, he placed =4th at the Biel Interzonal with 10.5/18 (+6 =9 -2), holding off John van der Wiel and Eugenio Torre in a play off for the fourth qualifying position to the Montpellier Candidates, thereby becoming Britain's first-ever candidate. Short did not win through to the semi-final Candidate Matches from the preliminary Candidates Tournament, scoring 7/15 to finish in equal tenth place, and exited the World Championship challenge at this stage. However, his participation in the Montpellier Candidates Tournament qualified Short to compete in the 1987 Subotica Interzonal in which he scored 10.5/16 to place equal first with Speelman and Gyula Sax. In the preliminary match held in Saint John in Canada in 1988, Short defeated Sax (+2=3), but then lost by 3.5-1.5 (−2=3) to Speelman in London later that year. This cycle was the last full undisputed FIDE controlled World Championship cycle until the Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) Unification Match. During the next World Championship cycle, a last round victory over Mikhail Gurevich enabled Short to finish equal third with Viswanathan Anand, behind Vasyl Ivanchuk and Boris Gelfand at the Manila Interzonal in July 1990, thereby qualifying as a Candidate for the third successive time.

In London in February 1991, he bested Speelman in the tiebreaker by 1.5-0.5 after drawing the preliminary best-of-8 match 4-4 (+2 =4 -2). He then proceeded to defeat Gelfand (+4=2–2) in the best-of-8 quarter final match played in Brussels in August 1991, and then overcame the former World Champion Anatoly Karpov by 6-4 (+4=4–2) in the best-of-10 semi-final match played in Linares in April 1992. In the best-of-14 match final held in San Lorenzo de El Escorial in January 1993, Short defeated Dutchman Jan Timman by 7.5-5.5 (+5=5–3) to earn the right to meet defending World Champion Garry Kasparov, who had successfully defended his crown three times against Karpov. According to Short and Kasparov, FIDE President Florencio Campomanes breached FIDE rules by deciding to stage the match in Manchester and to determine the prize fund without consulting them. Short and Kasparov responded by forming the Professional Chess Association (PCA) and the resulting match—sponsored by The Times newspaper—was held under the auspices of the PCA in London, from September to October 1993. Kasparov won by 12.5-7.5 (+6−1=13) in the best-of-24 match, the largest margin of victory in a world title contest since the Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Rematch (1961).

Short's next attempt at the title remained under the auspices of the PCA. Qualifying directly for the PCA Candidates match by virtue of being the losing challenger in the match against Kasparov, Short tied 4-4 (+1 =6 -1) with Boris Gulko in the best-of-8 quarterfinal match held at the Trump Tower in New York City in July 1994, before winning 1.5-0.5 in the classically-timed tiebreaker. He then bowed out to Gata Kamsky 5.5-1.5 (+1 =1 -5) in the best-of-10 quarter final match held at the same venue. Rejoining the FIDE cycle, Short competed in its 1997 Knockout contest to determine the challenger to Karpov, the winner of the last FIDE cycle. He defeated Korchnoi 3.5-2.5 in round 2 (into which he had been directly seeded), Andrei Sokolov 2-0 in round 3, Alexander G Beliavsky 3-1 in round 4 and Michal Krasenkow 2-0 in the quarter final before losing to Adams in the semi-final 4-3 in the sudden death tiebreaker. In the 1999 FIDE Knockout contest for the World Championship, Short, again seeded directly into round 2, beat Daniel Fridman 1.5-0.5, Beliavsky in round 3 by 1.5-0.5, before succumbing to Alexey Shirov by 1.5-0.5 in round 4. In the 2000 event, Short was unexpectedly beaten 3.5-2.5 in the tiebreaker of round 2, where he had been directly seeded, by Frenchmen Igor Alexandre Nataf. In the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2001/02), Short was knocked out of the competition in round 1 when he was again unexpectedly defeated 1.5-0.5 by Argentinian GM Daniel Hugo Campora. In FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004), Short defeated Yemeni IM Hameed Mansour Ali Kadhi 2-0 in round 1, but lost in the 2nd round to Krasenkow 1.5-0.5. Short did not contest the World Cup (2005) but participated in the World Cup (2007) where he was defeated in the first round tiebreaker by David Baramidze, the last time Short contested the World Championship cycle.

Classical Tournaments

Short became the then youngest International Master in chess history, by scoring 8/15 in the Hastings Premier in 1979/80. He has finished outright first, or tied for first, in many international tournaments including Geneva (1979), the BBC Master Game (1981), Amsterdam OHRA (1982), Baku (1983), Esbjerg (1984), Wijk aan Zee (1986 and 1987), Reykjavík (1987), Amsterdam VSB (1988, 1991, 1992, and 1993), Hastings (1987/88 and 1988/89), Pärnu (1996), Groningen (1996), Tallinn/Pärnu (1998), Dhaka United Insurance (1999), Shymkent (1999), Pamplona (1999/2000), the Tan Chin Nam Cup in Beijing (2000), Sigeman and Co. Malmö (2002), Gibraltar (2003), Gibraltar Masters (2004), Hunguest Hotels Super Chess Tournament (2003), Samba Cup (2003), Skanderborg (2003), Taiyuan (2004), Politiken Cup (2006), Baku 2008, Bazna King's Tournament (2008), Sigeman & Co (2009), 11th BCC Thailand Open (2011), Thailand Open 2012 and Luanda (2011). In 2012, he came =1st with Women's World Champion Yifan Hou at Gibraltar Masters (2012) but won the blitz tiebreak match to take first prize. He then won the 12th Bangkok Open (2012) with a score of 8/9 and came equal 1st with Adams in the unrated Bunratty Masters (2012) however he lost to Adams in the tiebreak. Another good result was =2nd at Corus Group B (2009) after losing the last round game to Fabiano Caruana, who won the event by half a point. In July 2012, Short won the Edmonton International (2012) outright with 7/9 (+6 -1 =2).

In January 2013, Short again appeared on the leader board at Gibraltar, placing =1st with a score of 8/10 alongside with Maxime Vachier-Lagrave, Sandipan Chanda and Nikita Vitiugov at the Gibraltar Masters (2013). This time the tiebreak was a knockout blitz contest between the four players, the Gibraltar Masters (Tiebreaks) (2013) Short eliminated Vachier-Lagrave 1.5-0.5, and then lost to Vitiugov in an epic 2-game mini match to become runner-up in the event. A few months later in April 2013, Short participated in the 13th Bangkok Chess Club Open, placing =8th (11th on tiebreak) with a score of 6.5/9 and shedding 12 ratings points. The following month in May 2013, Short came =1st (2nd on tiebreak behind Richard Rapport), with 4.5/7 at the category 15 Sigeman & Co (2013) in Sweden and then in June 2013 he won with 6/6 at the Tanzanian Open and came 2nd behind Lazaro Bruzon Batista in the 8th Edmonton International (2013). In July 2013, he won the Canadian Open with 7.5/9 and in October 2013 he placed =2nd (3rd on tiebreak) alongside Alexander Moiseenko at the Indonesian Open after defeating him in the final round, a point behind the outright winner, Aleksey Dreev.

In October 2014, Short returned to form after a prolonged slump during which he briefly left the world's top 100. At the Isle of Man, he won the Isle of Man Masters (2014) with 7.5/9, a clear point ahead of a strong field that included runners-up Laurent Fressinet, Sergei Tiviakov, David Howell (whom he defeated in the final round to clinch first prize) and Gil Popilski as well as lower placed super-GMs such as countryman Adams and others such as world #13 Maxime Vachier-Lagrave and Armenian #2 Gabriel Sargissian. Short also returned to the world's top 100 in the November 2014 FIDE rating list. In November 2014, Short travelled to Burma to win the GM Zaw Win Lay Memorial International Open with 6.5/8. A few months later in April 2015, Short won the Bangkok Chess Club Open (2015) with 7.5/9, on tiebreak, ahead of co-leader Surya Shekhar Ganguly. In July 2015, he won the South African Open with 9/11, after the tiebreak placed him ahead of fellow co-leaders Aleksa Strikovic and Abhijit Kunte.

Team play

<Club tournaments> Short's inaugural experience in the European Club Cup was in 1988, playing for SG Solingen (Germany) which came 4th that year. He again played for that club in 1990 and 1992 winning team gold and bronze respectively. He played top board for Peristeri Athens in 1996, and board 4 in 1999 for the silver-medal winning team Agrouniverzal Zemun (Yugoslavia) that also contained Anand, Kramnik and Gelfand. In 2004, he won individual and team silver playing on board 2 for ŠK Bosna Sarajevo and again played for that team in 2007, playing board 5. He has played a total of 37 games during this period of participation in the European Club Cup, scoring +12 =21 -4 for a winning percentage of 60.8%.

<Team championships> Short played top board for the England team in the First World U16 Team Chess Championship held in Viborg in 1979, winning individual gold and leading his team to victory to take team gold. The 14 year-old won six games and drew one, pulling a performance rating of 2632 while his FIDE rating was 2210. He then went on to participate in the European and World Team Championships. His first taste of playing in the European Team Championships came in 1983 when 18 year-old IM Short played board 7 in the event held in Plovdiv, winning individual silver while his team came fourth. He played board one in 1992, 1997 and 1999, winning team and individual bronze medals in 1992 during the Debrecen event, and an individual gold in 1997 in Pula. He again played for England in 2001, 2011 and 2013, playing second board in 2001 and 2011, and board 3 in 2013.

Still playing for England during the World Team Championships of 1985 (on board 4), 1989 (board 1) and 1997 (board 1), each of which were played in Lucerne in Switzerland, he won individual silver in 1989 and two team bronzes in 1985 and 1989.

Short scored 8/10 in the Staunton Memorial (Scheveningen Match) (2009) played between the United Kingdom and the Netherlands to help his team win the contest. He also won the Queens and Kings Match (2003) with his team mate Zhao Xue.

He also played top board for London in the World Cities Team Championship (2012) held in December 2012 in Al Ain in the United Arab Emirates. Despite his personal tally of two wins and a draw, London failed to make the cut to the round of 16.

Short has also participated in the Spanish Teams Championship, the French Top 16 League, the Bosnia and Herzegovina Team Championships, the Attica team Championship in Greece, the Chinese Premier League, and in the 4 Nations Chess League held in the UK. In 2013 and 2014, he helped his team Guildford 1 win the 4NCL. He is again playing for Guildford 1 in 2015.

<Olympiads> Short has represented England at every Olympiad since 1984, winning individual gold in Dubai in 1986, three team silvers (Thessaloniki 1984, Dubai 1986 and Thessaloniki 1988) and a team bronze medal (Novi Sad 1990). In his first appearance at the Thessaloniki Olympiad in 1984, Short played 2nd reserve for the silver medal-winning England team. In 1986, he played board 3, winning individual gold and team silver. He played top board for his country from 1988 until 1996, and board 2 from 1998 until 2010. He played his 15th consecutive Olympiad in Istanbul at the Istanbul Olympiad (2012) in August-September 2012, scoring 7.5/10 and placing 5th on board 3 overall and lifting his rating back into the 2700 group. He also played board 3 for England at the Tromso Olympiad (2014).

Matches

Short has enjoyed considerable success as a match player outside of the World Championship cycle, defeating US Champion Lev Alburt in Foxboro in 1985 by 7–1 (+6=2), Utut Adianto 4.5-1.5 (+3=3) in Jakarta in 1995, Etienne Bacrot in Albert in 2000 by 4-2 (+3=2–1), Hannes Hlifar Stefansson in Reykjavík in 2002 by 4.5-1.5 (+4=1–1), Ehsan Ghaem Maghami in Tehran in 2003 by 4-2 (+2=4) and won by 3.5-2.5 (+2=3–1) in the Short - Efimenko Match (2009) held in Mukachevo in 2009. Short lost to Joel Benjamin by 2.5–1.5 at London 1983, drew with Eugenio Torre 3-3 (+1=4–1) in Manila 1988, drew with Timman (3–3) in an exhibition match at Hilversum in 1989 and drew with Anish Giri in Amsterdam in 2010 by 2-2 (+1 =2 -1). The younger generation prevailed in the Karjakin - Short Rapid match (2008) by 7.5-2.5 (Short: +2 -7 =1) played in Kiev. He narrowly lost the Kasparov - Short Blitz Match (2011) played in Belgium by 4.5-3.5 when he lost the final game. In 2012, he won the Short - Granda Match (2012) by 3.5-2.5 (+2 =2) in a rapid game exhibition match played in Lima, Peru.

Rapid

Short took first place at the Estonian Pühajärve 13. kiirmaleturniir (13th Sacred Lake Rapid Chess Tournament) in November 2012, scoring 28.5/31, 4 points clear of 2nd placed 7 times Estonian Champion GM Kaido Kulaots. In November 2014, he placed 2nd at the BCC November 2014 Blitz behind FYROM's Riste Menkinoski. In December 2014 he placed =3rd at the London Chess Classic 2014 Super Rapidplay Open with 8/10.

Ratings and rankings

Nigel Short has been in the world's top 100 for most of his life. He entered the top 100 in January 1983, and after briefly exiting the list in July 1983, re-entered the top 100 in January 1984, remaining there until September 2014 and October 2014, before his second re-entry to the top 100 elite in November 2014. He was in the top ten for most of the period from July 1986 until January 1997. His peak ranking was 3rd behind Karpov and Kasparov from July 1988 to July 1989 inclusive. His highest rating numerically was 2712 in April 2004 (when he was ranked 15th in the world)*.

He is also the oldest player in the top 100.

Other achievements and activities

Short has written chess columns and book reviews for the British newspapers The Sunday Times, The Daily Telegraph, the Daily Mail, The Spectator and The Guardian. He reported on the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005) in San Luis, Argentina, for the ChessBase website**. He began a new column "Short Stories" for New in Chess magazine in January 2011. He has coached Pentala Harikrishna, Sergey Karjakin, David Howell and Parimarjan Negi. He worked as national coach of the Islamic Republic of Iran from 2006–2007. His first assignment led to them unexpectedly capturing a team bronze medal at the Asian Games in Doha, Qatar, in 2006. In the nine chess events at the Asian Indoor Games in Macau 2007, Iran took a silver and two bronze medals. He has also been on numerous webcasts, a guest commentator with chessgames.com, and a live commentator for the World Championship Candidates (2013). He is also a member of chessgames.com using his own name as his userid: User: Nigel Short. In recognition of his chess accomplishments, Short was appointed MBE (Member of the British Empire)*** in 1999. He was made an Honorary Fellow of the then Bolton Institute of Higher Education in 1993 and was awarded the Honorary degree of Doctor of Science by the University of Bolton in 2010. In August 2005, he was unanimously elected Secretary General of the Commonwealth Chess Association. In June 2006 he became its President, until stepping down in January 2008. Finally, he has won tournaments in 29 different countries.****

Personal

He lives in Greece with his wife Rhea Argyro Karageorgiou and their two children.

Sources

World Championship Index: http://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/wcc.... live rating: http://www.2700chess.com; Nigel Short Turns 40: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...; FIDE database: http://ratings.fide.com/hist.phtml?...; The Encyclopedia of Team Chess: http://www.olimpbase.org/; * Historical ratings and rankings: http://www.schachchronik.de/ranglis...; ** The first chessbase article is: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... with the other rounds reported by Short included round by round at the following link: http://www.chessbase.com/eventlist.... *** MBE: Wikipedia article: Order of the British Empire **** http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

Wikipedia article: Nigel Short

Last updated: 2022-03-14 12:10:42

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Short vs H Wright 1-0301974AthertonC30 King's Gambit Declined
2. C Frostick vs Short  0-1161975SCCU Junior Championship U-14C18 French, Winawer
3. Short vs P Fenton 1-0401975SCCU Junior Championship U-14C78 Ruy Lopez
4. Portisch vs Short ½-½371975Simultaneous exhibitionB30 Sicilian
5. Short vs B Kimber 1-0171975ENGC61 Ruy Lopez, Bird's Defense
6. S J Hooker vs Short 0-1251975Enfield OpenC18 French, Winawer
7. Short vs J Cox 1-0211975LondonB07 Pirc
8. Short vs J S Evans  1-0721975Staffordshire opB01 Scandinavian
9. Short vs I Wells 1-0321975BCF-ch U11D78 Neo-Grunfeld, 6.O-O c6
10. Short vs J Farrand 1-0221976ManchesterD07 Queen's Gambit Declined, Chigorin Defense
11. Hambrook vs Short 0-1211976ENGC17 French, Winawer, Advance
12. Short vs M Macdonald-Ross 1-0271976Charlton OpenC12 French, McCutcheon
13. Short vs G Knapton 1-0151976Lancashire vs Durham County MatchC77 Ruy Lopez
14. Miles vs Short 1-0381976Charlton OpenA44 Old Benoni Defense
15. Short vs W Hartston 0-1191976BBC TV Master GameA32 English, Symmetrical Variation
16. Short vs R J Miles 1-0251976British ch qualifierB07 Pirc
17. Korchnoi vs Short 0-1471976Simul, 30bC05 French, Tarrasch
18. Short vs K James 1-0421976Dundrum International openB22 Sicilian, Alapin
19. Short vs Benjamin 1-0441976London - New York Telex MatchB41 Sicilian, Kan
20. Short vs N Littlewood 1-0221977ManchesterB06 Robatsch
21. Short vs M Fuller 1-0201977LondonB30 Sicilian
22. Short vs A Ludgate  1-0371977NW Zonal play-offB06 Robatsch
23. Chess vs Short 0-1111977London m/7C32 King's Gambit Declined, Falkbeer Counter Gambit
24. Short vs K Neat  ½-½501977British ChampionshipC02 French, Advance
25. D Lees vs Short  0-1211977British ChampionshipC17 French, Winawer, Advance
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Feb-12-14  Jim Bartle: Link for the above: http://montrealchessfest2007.blogsp...
Feb-12-14
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  HeMateMe: I didn't know the father had actually grabbed Short, has physically accosted him. They could have forfeited Kamsky, based on that. This might be the reason Gata left chess at age 24 or so, to go to college and law school, in the USA. Have his own life.

Maybe Gata could have made some money on the side, using his dad to threaten college professors to get better grades for his friends?

Feb-13-14  Granny O Doul: Speaking of Gata and college, I heard a story about a time he went off to Germany, I think, during the semester to play in some tournament. Only after returning did he explain to the prof "I'm a professional chess player, and there was this big tournament..." and the prof cut in with "well, check MATE, buddy! You're out of here."
Feb-13-14
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  Eggman: <<HeMateMe>> So far as I know Gata went off to college and law school because that is what his father decided he would do.
Feb-13-14
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  HeMateMe: You think at age 24 the father was still running the show? I find that a little hard to believe. Most successful men are pretty headstrong, pretty independent. Are there any great chessplayers without a healthy sized ego?

The newspaper reports in the USA indicated that when the 14 year old Kamsky, already predicted to be a world champion level player, wanted to stay here, it was his will that forced the issue. One of the quotes I remember from him was "There's more food here [in the USA-brutal]." Pretty clever knock on the collapsing USSR, calculated to get political and media support. This doesn't sound like a kid who is still taking instructions at age 24.

Feb-13-14  Jim Bartle: I read Inside Chess from 1990 through Kamsky's retirement, and everything indicated Kamsky did whatever his father wanted.
Feb-13-14
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  HeMateMe: What specifically in NIC would prove that? A quote, such as "My father and I decided that..."? I would have to see it in print, myself. I haven't really followed chess until the internet became widely assessable, I wasn't in the chess loop till then, and never subscribed to NIC. Haven't seen what Chess Life turned into, I'm all done with chess magazines.
Feb-13-14  Jim Bartle: It was from Inside Chess, not NIC. Not much Internet at the time.

Articles constantly pointed out that Rustam made the decisions. Lots of quotes from people who worked with them and played against him. The 1991 US championship (a knockout event) was the worst, along with the candidates match in India.

Feb-13-14
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  JointheArmy: < This might be the reason Gata left chess at age 24 or so, to go to college and law school, in the USA.>

Not to split hairs, but he was barely 22 years old when he quit chess.

Feb-14-14
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  HeMateMe: Still, I don't see how "insiders who knew" proves anything. Sounds like more gossip where rumors are built on rumors, like all of these stories declaring Bobby Fischer had an I.Q. of 180+, and there is absolutely no evidence of a paper test or anyone who ever administered such a test to Fischer.

Kamsky was in the world's top five at age 22. Your claiming that a parent could make a child give that up, for a mediocre state college in New York? I just don't see it.

And the law school he went to, Touro, is a real weakie, just good enough to let you do Wills, bankruptcies and maybe become an overworked, underpaid "court appointed attorney" for those who cannot afford their own legal representation. It just doesn't seem likely that a parent would drag his/her kid out of the world championship spotlight for something as shaky as law school. There was a glut of lawyers, even then.

Feb-14-14  Paint My Dragon: This NYT feature is a pretty good summary, and certainly how I remember it playing out ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/c...

Feb-14-14
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  HeMateMe: good link, PMD.

<Both said that his decision to walk away from chess in 1996 was his, not his father’s. >

Well, that should solve it, if true.

The quote from the father< "Gata is leaving chess to attend medical school" >is somewhat naïve. I don't know how it was done in the USSR, but here you have to have a difficult science major like biology or chemistry, get nearly straight "A"s within this four year college degree, then get very high marks on the brutal MCAT exam, just to be considred for medical school. Even with all the talent in the world, it didn't seem to me that Kamsky was motivated enough to spend that much time on scholastic work. He didn't really seem to know what he wanted to do, and that is not how you get into medical school.

I'd have to say he was easing the stage-father out of his life at this point, by simply removing chess from his daily activities. No chess tournaments--no shadow over his shoulder.

Feb-14-14  RedShield: Much information and to-and-fro about the Short-Kamsky affair is here:

http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt...

Kamsky gives his version of events in the comment section. I doubt that Short has seen it before.

Feb-14-14  Jim Bartle: This is a telling and true comment from Mig in the chessninja link:

<I suppose Gata could have apologized for his father threatening Short's life in the dining room after game 4. On the other hand, if Gata took the time to apologize to everyone his dad offended back then his own child would grow up fatherless.>

Feb-14-14  Jim Bartle: From the NY Times link:

<Mr. Shabalov helped train Mr. Kamsky in the early 1990s, but quit, he said, after Rustam punched him for offering a friendly greeting to a rival of Mr. Kamsky’s. (Rustam denied hitting Mr. Shabalov, saying that Mr. Shabalov quit on his contract to train his son, and while leaving them he walked into a door.)>

Yeah, he walked into a door...

Feb-14-14
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  Eggman: <<HeMateMe>> Gata Kamsky became a chess player because his father decided he would become great at something, and Gata's poor eyesight seemed to rule out soccer. And so it was that Gata was raised studying chess ten hours a day.

My memory of things is that it was the father's decision that Gata would go to school and become a doctor if he hadn't won the world championship by a certain date. Unfortunately it has been the better part of 20 years and I don't recall which particular issue of which magazine I read this in. Bottom line, I think you're underestimating the iron grip that a father can have on a 22-year-old son who has never known anything other than that iron grip.

Incidentally, I think I've referred to you as <<HeHateMe>> in the past. This was not an attempt at smart-aleciness on my part - I simply misread your name!

Feb-14-14
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  HeMateMe: <My memory of things is that it was the father's decision that Gata would go to school and become a doctor if he hadn't won the world championship by a certain date>

But where is the proof in this? Just because a chess magazine prints that people behave a certain way doesn't mean it actually happened that way.

For example, a lot of rumors get piled on rumors, and you get a conclusion that Botvinnik's non Russian contemporaries within the USSR were "ordered" to lose to him, or draw if they had a win, and so forth.

Do we have chessplayer(s) who have come forth and said "I was there at the house/apartment and was kicked out by the father, who said I was interfering with his son's chess study"?

Is there a wife in this, who will say that the kid had to study chess 14 hours a day, whether he liked it or not? Just because it happened in Hungary doesn't mean it happened in the USSR or Brooklyn.

Is there a quote by Rustam Kamsky to a newspaper or a televised interview, in which he admits/brags that he is responsible for his son's chess success by keeping him chained to the chess table?

I'm not saying it couldn't have happened that way, I just need some proof. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in-between. Kamsky may have been an introverted kid who would normally have stayed in a lot studying and playing chess anyway, and the father chased away playmates and kept the television set turned off.

Feb-14-14  Jim Bartle: Believe me, <Hmm>, there was proof of all that in magazines in the 90s, but I don't have them at hand.

Gata Kamsky did accuse Kasparov of poisoning him at Linares 91, when Kamsky scored 3.5/14, in an interview printed in Inside Chess.

Feb-15-14
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  HeMateMe: <Gata Kamsky did accuse Kasparov of poisoning him >

Well heck, that just means he's normal! I'd be worried if a great chess player *didn't* occasionally suffer from paranoia and say crazy stuff. It's the hallmark of chess champions.

Feb-15-14
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  Eggman: <<HeMateMe: Is there a quote by Rustam Kamsky to a newspaper or a televised interview, in which he admits/brags that he is responsible for his son's chess success by keeping him chained to the chess table?>>

I'm beginning to understand my failure to get across to you. The answer to your question is "yes! Yes! Yes!" It was PRECISELY Rustam Kamsky who explained in interviews that he decided his son would be great at something, that it wouldn't be soccer because of his poor eyesight, and that his son was no genius, but had gotten where he was because he studied chess 10 hours a day. These are almost verbatim quotes from Rustam himself. I hadn't realized that I had failed to make this clear. Maybe one of these days when I have the time I'll dig through my U.S. Chess Life collection and find the exact quote, but until then I humbly ask you to consider the option of possibly taking my word.

By the way, there are other things I recall too, like a GM in the Kamsky camp (was it Nick de Firmian? This I cannot recall) complaining that while preparing for the Karpov match Gata was taking advice on openings from Rustam, who as an 1800 player ought to have butted out.

Feb-15-14
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  HeMateMe: but--saying "Gata studied for ten hours a day" and saying "I *made* my kid study chess ten hours a day" are two very different things. In the Polgar family case, they all admit that the father had them studying chess for 8 hours a day, and had them home schooled.

Do we have anything that in depth from the Kamsky camp?

In Bobby fischer's case he studied and played non-stop, and it was clearly his own choice. He admits it, and there are quotes from the mother and sister regarding his obsession, and I think, the mother wanting her son to spend time on other scholastic things--fat chance.

Much less is known about gata Kamsky.

Feb-16-14  Karposian: <HeMateMe> I really don't think you can make a comparison between that primitive thug Rustam Kamsky and the brilliant psychologist Laszlo Polgar. The Polgar sisters by all accounts grew up in a loving and supporting family. They grew up to be strong, independent women. In addition to become great at chess their parents apparently wanted them to build up their self-confidence and to be happy, well-adjusted persons.

I think with people like Rustam Kamsky when it comes to their kids it is probably the excact opposite, they kind of break you in a way.

Feb-16-14  MarkFinan: <Eggman: <<Short tweeted something like "Kamskys dad has apologized for threatening to kill me 20 yr ago!" Eh??>> As I recall, the two semi-final matches of the PCA Candidates were held on the same stage, with Short vs Kamsky being played a few meters away from Anand vs Adams. Ever the paranoid, Rustam Kamsky thought that Short & Adams, both being English, were collaborating, discussing the games in progress. Following one of the early games in the match, Rustam caught up with Nigel in a restaurant and threatened to kill him.>

Well firstly I'd like it known, and I go on record now as saying... I don't really mind Nigel Short. He's a bit pompous I guess, but he says some amazingly funny things with a straight face! He's just as daft as they come and I can relate to that.. But, I've read about what a monster Kamskys dad could be and if he'd been my father?!? Well "been" is the key word in that sentence, lol. But every single person has said to another person at some point, "I'll kill you!" and not really meant it literally. We've all done it, although some people are too perfect to say otherwise!? Anyways, I can imagine the situation and it's something that I can't believe we're talking about years later. Short would have reacted like it was a well thought out plot (gotta lol 😃) and Kamskys old man would have meant it like most of us mean it when we say something stupid when we're angry! IE just an angry response to something ridiculous anyway! I can't believe he felt the need to tweet it for anything other than the reaction he's now getting.

Feb-16-14
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  HeMateMe: Karpo--I wasn't comparing Lazlo Polgar/Ruslam Kamsky regarding personal behavior. I don't think the father accompanied them to tournaments often, or at least never berated their opponents.

But, are you 100% sure that the three Polgar sisters wanted to study chess 8 hours a day, instead of going to regular school, where you could meet more kids and have a more varied social life? We'll never know, as the three girls aren't going to trash their own parents. If they did bad mouth their father, it would make their mother look weak, by comparison, and they probably don't want to ever hurt her feelings. Whatever distress there is/was is kept in the family.

Still, we *know* the polgars were pushed into this. I'm still waiting for a quote or some eyewitness accounts that Ruslam Kamsky *forced* the kid to spend all of his time on chess. He probably was, but it would be nice to see some evidence. Most journalists would benefit by using something called "evidence."

Feb-16-14  Karposian: <HeMateMe> <But, are you 100% sure that the three Polgar sisters wanted to study chess 8 hours a day, instead of going to regular school, where you could meet more kids and have a more varied social life?>

Well, of course you have a point here. They may obviously have missed these things from time to time but I have read several interviews with the Polgars throughout the years and it doesn't seem to have been so much of a problem for them. For instance this is what Susan Polgar said in an interview With Ryan Kohls last year:

<RK: You mentioned your father. When you research your family’s story, there’s a very special connection with the experiment he conducted on you and your sisters. It’s obviously made you successful, but have you ever held any resentment that he focused your energy on one thing?

SP: No, not really because although the focus was chess it was never the only thing. I was learning languages or involved with other sports as well. I travelled a lot . It was not just the chessboard, even though it was a main part of my life.>

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