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Hikaru Nakamura
Nakamura 
 

Number of games in database: 3,902
Years covered: 1995 to 2025
Last FIDE rating: 2804 (2734 rapid, 2837 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2816
Overall record: +592 -245 =719 (61.2%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 2346 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (271) 
    B90 B30 B23 B51 B42
 Ruy Lopez (171) 
    C65 C67 C78 C77 C84
 Reti System (147) 
    A06 A04 A05
 Queen's Gambit Declined (119) 
    D37 D31 D38 D30 D35
 Queen's Pawn Game (115) 
    A45 D00 D02 E10 A46
 Nimzo Indian (77) 
    E32 E46 E34 E21 E20
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (251) 
    B90 B30 B80 B22 B92
 Ruy Lopez (247) 
    C67 C65 C70 C78 C72
 Queen's Gambit Declined (155) 
    D37 D31 D30 D06 D39
 Queen's Pawn Game (123) 
    D02 A45 A40 A41 A46
 King's Indian (115) 
    E97 E90 E92 E63 E94
 Giuoco Piano (107) 
    C53 C50 C54
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Krasenkow vs Nakamura, 2007 0-1
   Gelfand vs Nakamura, 2010 0-1
   Rybka vs Nakamura, 2008 0-1
   So vs Nakamura, 2015 0-1
   G Sagalchik vs Nakamura, 2003 0-1
   Crafty vs Nakamura, 2007 0-1
   Nakamura vs Karjakin, 2004 1-0
   Nakamura vs Kramnik, 2012 1-0
   A Beliavsky vs Nakamura, 2009 0-1
   Nakamura vs J W Loyte, 2001 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Corsica Masters (2007)
   Trophee CCAS (2008)
   Bullet Chess Championship (2023)
   Meltwater Tour Final (2021)
   Magnus Carlsen Invitational (2020)
   Ordix Open (2009)
   Chess.com Speed Chess Championship 2017/18 (2017)
   chess.com Speed Chess (2020)
   Magnus Carlsen Chess Tour Finals (2020)
   New In Chess Classic (2021)
   Chess.com SpeedChess Finals (2024)
   Tata Steel India (2022)
   Champions Showdown (2019)
   Pro Chess League (2018)
   PRO League Group Stage (2019)

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   book: Fighting Chess with Hikaru Nakamura by Baby Hawk
   Fighting Chess with Hikaru Nakamura by kenilworthian
   Vid e o put Fredthebear in th is cent ury by fredthebear
   Notable Nakamura Games by iron maiden
   2020 The Corona Beer & Black Bears Matter Mo Ode by fredthebear
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   Match Nakamura! by docjan
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   Keymer vs Nakamura (Apr-12-25) 0-1, unorthodox
   Nakamura vs Keymer (Apr-11-25) 1/2-1/2, unorthodox
   Nakamura vs A Erigaisi (Apr-10-25) 1-0, unorthodox

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HIKARU NAKAMURA
(born Dec-09-1987, 37 years old) Japan (federation/nationality United States of America)

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IM (2001); GM (2003). Hikaru Nakamura won the US Championship in 2004, 2009, 2012, 2015 and 2019. He was the world's second-ranked player as of October 2015. In July 2023, he married WGM Atousa Pourkashiyan.

Prodigy

Christopher Hikaru Nakamura was born December 9, 1987 in Hirakata in Osaka, Japan, to a Japanese father and an American mother. He is the younger brother of Asuka Nakamura. When he was two years old, he and his mother and brother moved to the United States. He started playing chess when he was seven, coached by his stepfather, Sunil Weeramantry. He was the youngest player in US history to defeat an International Master (Jay Bonin) in a USCF-rated game (10 years, 0 months), to become a National Master (USCF) (10 years, 79 days), to defeat a Grandmaster (Arthur Bisguier) in a USCF-rated game (10 years, 117 days), and to become an IM (13 years, 2 months), although most of these records have subsequently been surpassed. In 2003 he became the USA's youngest-ever grandmaster (15 years, 2 months and 19 days), a record later broken by Fabiano Caruana and Ray Robson.

Championships

<Youth> In 2001 he won the World U14 championship.

<National> When he won the Chessmaster US Championship 2005 (2004) (on tiebreak from Alexander Stripunsky), he was the youngest player to win the US championship since Robert James Fischer. He also won the US Championship (2009) outright by half a point ahead of the joint runners-up Robert Hess and Alexander Onischuk, and the United States Championship (2012) outright by a full point ahead of the winner of the 2010 and 2011 events, Gata Kamsky. He won the national title for a fourth time when he took out the US Championship (2015) with 8/11, half a point ahead of the outright runner up Ray Robson.

<World championship cycle> Seeded number 87 and aged 16, Nakamura reached the final 16 in the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004), defeating 46th seed Sergey Volkov, 19th seeded Aleksej Aleksandrov, and 51st seed Alexander Lastin in the preliminary rounds before bowing out to number 3 seed and finalist Michael Adams in the round of 16. He qualified to play in the World Cup (2013) through his rating, and defeated Peruvian WGM Deysi Estela Cori Tello in the first round, Azeri GM Eltaj Safarli in the second round and Indian GM Baskaran Adhiban in the third round, but was eliminated in the Round of 16 (fourth round) by Ukrainian GM Anton Korobov. He qualified by rating to participate in the World Cup (2015), and is doing so although he has already qualified for the Candidates Tournament of 2016 via the Grand Prix series of 2014-15. He defeated Richmond Phiri, Sam Shankland in the first two rounds, as well as Ian Nepomniachtchi in a third round thriller that Nakamura won in the deciding Armageddon blitz tiebreaker game after the three previous sets of rapid and blitz tiebreakers had been drawn. In the Round of 16 (the fourth round) he won against Michael Adams by 1.5-0.5 but lost to Pavel Eljanov in the quarter final, bowing out of the event.

<Grand Prix Series 2012-2013> He started the Grand Prix series with last at the FIDE Grand Prix London (2012). After bouncing back into contention with outright second in the FIDE Grand Prix Zug (2013), a poor showing at the FIDE Grand Prix Thessaloniki (2013) eliminated him from contention for the top 2 spots that would have qualified him for the 2014 Candidates Tournament. (1) He did however place 3rd behind Fabiano Caruana and Boris Gelfand in the FIDE Grand Prix Paris (2013) to accumulate 300 GP points and place 6th in the 2012-13 Grand Prix series. Subsequently, his only chance to play in the 2014 Candidates Tournament was to be nominated as the Organizer's wild card once the venue was settled, however this did not eventuate.

<Grand Prix Series 2014-2015> Nakamura competed in the first leg of the series at the FIDE Grand Prix Baku (2014), where he scored 6/11 to place 3rd-7th, half a point behind the joint leaders Caruana and Gelfand. He therefore kicked off with a GP tally of 82 points, representing the even distribution of points applicable to each place from 3rd to 7th. In the second leg of the series, namely the FIDE Grand Prix Tashkent (2014), he placed =2nd and stood in 2nd place overall, excellently situated to take advantage of the opportunity to qualify for the Candidates tournament in 2016. He took full advantage of this in FIDE Grand Prix Khanty-Mansiysk (2015), when he came =1st to qualify for the Candidates Tournament of 2016.

Standard tournaments

In 2005, he won the 7th Foxwoods Open (2005).

In 2007, he won both the National Open (2007) that was held in Las Vegas and the Casino de Barcelona (2007).

The following year, he beat Xiangzhi Bu in the play-off to win the Gibraltar Masters (2008) Masters Open with 8.0/10.

Nakamura tied for first with Evgeny Najer at the 37th World Open (2009) after taking two last-day byes, each worth half a point and won the Donostia Chess Festival (2009) in tiebreak over Ruslan Ponomariov.

In 2010, he came =4th at Corus Group A (2010), and was equal top scorer in the victorious Rising Stars team in the Rising Stars - Experience (2010) tournament. He scored 5/9 (+1 -0 =8) at the Tal Memorial (2010), placing =4th, and finished the year with =4th place in the London Chess Classic (2010).

Nakamura began 2011 by taking clear first place at the A-Group of the prestigious category 20 Tata Steel Group A (2011) (formerly Corus) with a 9/13 score (+6 -1 =6) and a 2880 performance rating, ahead of a powerful field including the world's top four players: World Champion Viswanathan Anand, Magnus Carlsen, Levon Aronian and former World Champion Vladimir Kramnik. In June 2011, Nakamura placed =3rd in the Bazna King's Tournament (2011), in July he scored 4.5/10 at Dortmund Sparkassen (2011), in August he came =1st in the 2011 US Open Championship with 7.5/9 and in October he came =3rd in the Grand Slam Chess Final (2011) with 5/10. The following month, he suffered a lapse in form at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2011), scoring 3/9 and coming last but recovered to finish 2011 with second place behind Kramnik at the category 20 London Chess Classic (2011), scoring +4 -1 =3 (TPR of 2887).

He started 2012 by coming =2nd (4th on count back) at the Reggio Emilia (2011), half a point behind Anish Giri, and then came =5th at Tata Steel Group A (2012), scoring 7.5/13 (+3 -1 =9). He followed up in April 2012 with 1st at the 6th Annual Grand Pacific Open held in British Columbia. He competed in the Tal Memorial (2012) held in June, scoring 4/9. In July/August 2012, Nakamura placed a solid =3rd at the Biel Chess Festival (2012), but underperformed at the European Club Cup (2012), although in October 2012, he recovered to some extent by winning the 4 player double round robin 16th Unive Tournament (2012) (crown group) with 4.5/6 (+3 -0 =3). Nakamura finished 2012 with a strong 3rd placement in the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Carlsen and Kramnik, adding enough rating points to restore him to the top 10.

2013 started with a modest 7/13 result for outright 6th at the Tata Steel Group A (2013) event. He then followed up in May 2013 with equal 2nd at the Norway Chess (2013) with 5.5/9, half a point behind Sergey Karjakin and 3rd on tiebreak behind Carlsen; he also placed =2nd with 6/9 at the preliminary Norway Chess (Blitz) (2013) held to determine the draw for the main tournament, and earned the right to play with the White pieces in 5 games out of 9. In June 2013, he contested the category 22 Tal Memorial (2013), and was outright leader after 6 rounds. However, he lost the last 3 game to place 6th with 4.5/9, winning more games (4) and losing more games (4) than any other player in the tournament. Soon after, he came =3rd in the Houston Open in July 2013. In September he played in the quadrangular double round robin category 22 Sinquefield Cup (2013), and was in contention for first place until the last round, when he drew against Gata Kamsky finishing second with 3.5/6 (+2 -1 =3; TPR 2863) behind Magnus Carlsen.

Nakamura's first event in 2014 was the category 20 Tata Steel Masters (2014) where he scored 5/11 (+2 -3 =6) to shed a few rating points for FIDE's February rating list. He next competed in the category 23 Zurich Chess Challenge (2014) in which he placed 4th with 2/5 after coming agonisingly close to defeating World Champion Magnus Carlsen. He came 2nd with 3.5/5 in the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2014) which followed the standard time event, to remain in 4th in the overall event with the results of the standard and rapid events combined. In April, he participated in the inaugural Gashimov Memorial (2014), a category XXII 6-player DRR event inaugurated in honor of the late Azeri grandmaster, scoring 5/10 and placing =3rd behind Carlsen and Caruana. At the London Chess Classic (2014), he scored 2.5/5 to place 4th.

Nakamura's start to 2015 was to win the powerful Gibraltar Masters (2015) with 8.5/10 (+7 =3), and return a PB on his live rating and his new FIDE rating due in March. Despite cracking the 2800 barrier in the live ratings during the RR category 22 Zurich Chess Challenge (2015) held in February, he placed outright 2nd in the standard portion of the event behind Anand, ahead of Kramnik, Karjakin, Aronian and Caruana respectively. His second place in the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2015) with 3/5 made him =1st with Anand in the overall event, but he won an Armageddon tiebreaker with the former World Champion to win first prize. His good form continued at the category 22 Norway Chess (2015) event, where he was undefeated to place =2nd (3rd on a narrow SB tiebreak), behind Topalov and alongside Anand with 6/9 and a TPR of 2900. In September he competed in the second leg of the inaugural Grand Chess Tour at Sinquefield Cup (2015), and finished equal second with 5/9 behind Aronian in what amounted to a par for rating performance. October saw Nakamura compete in the lucrative Millionaire Chess (2015) tournament, which he won after battling through a complicated tiebreak system that involved a playoff to decide a playoff for fourth, and then winning a knockout rapid game semi-final that was called after round 7 of 9 of the main standard time event. He finished the year with a poor performance at the London Chess Classic (2015) where he came in toward the bottom of the field after scoring 4/9.

He started 2016 with an upbeat result at the Gibraltar Masters (2016), winning first prize after a rapid and blitz game tiebreak that ended in an Armageddon victory against runner-up Maxime Vachier-Lagrave. He finished clear second at the
FIDE Grand Swiss (2023), scoring 8/11 (+5 =6 -0) and qualifying for the 2024 Candidates tournament.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Nakamura has represented the U.S. in the Olympiads of 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012 and 2014, helping his country to the bronze medal in 2006 and 2008. He scored 6/10 during the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad (2010) on top board for the USA and a performance rating of 2741 and 6/9 in the Istanbul Olympiad (2012), coming in fourth on top board. His overall score in Olympiads is 31 points accumulated in 49 games played.

<World Team Championship> Nakamura played board 1 for the USA at the World Team Championship (2010), scoring individual gold and team silver. He also played top board at the World Team Championship (2013), winning individual silver and helping his team to 4th place in the event.

<European Club Cup> He played top board for the SK Husek Vienna in the European Club Cup (2009) and top board for the Italian club Obiettivo Risarcimento Padova in 2012 and 2013, second board for the Italian club in 2014 and board 3 for the same club in 2015. He scored individual bronze in 2013 and 2014.

Rapids

Nakamura is one of the world's best rapid and blitz players, and the world's best bullet (one-minute) player. He regularly plays on the internet, usually at the ICC where he is the highest rated player (userid <Smallville>), and at Playchess, where he is known as <Star Wars>. He has set many rating records under different categories. In 2008, he challenged and broke blitz king Alexander Grischuk 's record at ICC of 3737, reaching 3750. Grischuk subsequently challenged Nakamura to a 20 game 3 minutes blitz match, which Nakamura took out convincingly by 14.5-5.5. (2) He also won the first ICC Open in 2011 ahead of over 2000 other contestants. (3)

In 2007, he won the annual Corsica Masters (2007), defeating Rustam Kasimdzhanov in the final. One of the most convincing demonstrations of Nakamura's ability as a rapid player was when he won the Trophee CCAS (2008), defeating Xiangzhi Bu, Anatoly Karpov and Vasyl Ivanchuk in the playoff matches to take first prize in a field that included Carlsen. Nakamura also defeated Carlsen to take out the BNbank Blitz (2009). He was runner-up to Ivanchuk at the Cap d'Agde (2010) in the playoff. He also defeated Rising Stars team mate Anish Giri for the right to play at Amber 2011.

In 2012, Nakamura won the trifecta of silver medals at the SportAccord World Mind Games (Men's Rapid) (2012), the World Mind Games (Men's Blitz) and the World Mind Games (Men's Blindfold) events. He closed out 2013 by winning the London Chess Classic (Knockout) (2013), defeating Gelfand in the final by 1.5-0.5, after qualifying for the final by winning the preliminary London Chess Classic (Group C) (2013).

In June 2014, he competed in both the World Rapid Championship (2014) and the World Blitz Championship (2014) that were held in Dubai. In the former, he scored a relatively meager 8.5/15, losing 40 rapid rating points, while he was much more successful in the latter, scoring 16/21, being the runner up by a point behind the winner Magnus Carlsen. His blitz rating skyrocketed to over 2900. Subsequently he competed in the Super Rapidplay Open that was a companion event to the 2014 London Classic (see above), winning the event with an almost perfect score of 9.5/10. He also competed in the London Elite Player Blitz that was the other companion event, and placed =1st with 6/10.

The 2016 edition of the Zurich Chess Challenge was a two-part event, which kicked off with a preliminary Zurich Chess Challenge (Opening Blitz) (2016) to determine who had three whites in the five rounds of the Zurich Chess Challenge (2016) (rapid). Nakamura placed first in the Opening Blitz earning the use of the white pieces in three of the five rounds of the first section of the actual tournament, the round robin rapid event where he placed equal first alongside Anand. Nakamura playing the black pieces three times in the second section of the event, the Zurich Chess Challenge (Blitz) (2016), again placed equal first with Anand to tie the overall score, but won on tiebreak to take first prize.

He has authored the book Bullet Chess: One Minute to Mate.

Matches

In December 2004, Nakamura played the best-of-six game Karjakin - Nakamura Match (2004) in the "Duelo de los Jovenes Prodigios" (Duel of the Wonder Boys) in Cuernavaca, Estado de Morelos, Mexico, winning 4.5-1.5 (+4 -1 =1). In May 2011 at the St Louis chess club, he won the Nakamura - Ponomariov Match (2011) by 3.5-2.5 (+2 =3 -1). In June 2014, he played for the Cez Trophy Navara - Nakamura Match (2014) in Praha, Czechia, which involved a 4-game standard time match against David Navara. He won the match by 3.5-0.5.

960 Chess

In August 2009, Nakamura defeated Aronian in Mainz, Germany to become the 960 world champion and remained unchallenged as such until Carlsen defeated him in a match in February 2018 by a margin of 14-10.

Ratings and rankings

Nakamura's highest ranking as a Junior (U20) was #3 in April 2004 and 2005. He first broke into the world's top 100 in October 2004 when he was still 16 years old, and has remained in the top 100 continuously since that time. He reached the world's top 10 in January 2011, and has remained in that elite group continuously since January 2013. In September 2015 his rating reached 2814 despite which he was still ranked world #4 behind Carlsen, Anand and Topalov respectively. However in October 2016, his ranking reached its highest point so far, 2816, when his ranking was world #2, his highest ranking so far.

Sources and references

(1) Wikipedia article: FIDE Grand Prix 2012–2013 (2) http://dod.ru/chess/game/Crest/Smal...; (3) Further details are at this post: Hikaru Nakamura; (4) https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast... (podcast interview by Ben Johnson through iTunes); Live rating list: http://www.2700chess.com/; Wikipedia article: Hikaru Nakamura

Last updated: 2024-04-14 20:46:42

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 page 1 of 157; games 1-25 of 3,902  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. S Predescu vs Nakamura 1-0641995U.S. National Scholastic Grade 2 ChampionshipB08 Pirc, Classical
2. L Au vs Nakamura 1-0431997Hawaii opB83 Sicilian
3. Nakamura vs J Bonin 1-0361997Marshall Chess ClubC02 French, Advance
4. J Kleinman vs Nakamura  ½-½411997January CongressA49 King's Indian, Fianchetto without c4
5. Nakamura vs B Karen 0-1521997Nassau FuturityB06 Robatsch
6. A Bisguier vs Nakamura 0-1211998Somerset ACN Action SwissE70 King's Indian
7. B Karen vs Nakamura  0-1261998Nassau g/30B23 Sicilian, Closed
8. A Stripunsky vs Nakamura 0-1431998Marshall Chess ClubB40 Sicilian
9. P MacIntyre vs Nakamura  1-0541998US Amateur Team EastA07 King's Indian Attack
10. J Thinnsen vs Nakamura 1-035199899th US OpenA45 Queen's Pawn Game
11. Nakamura vs I Krush 1-062199899th US OpenB67 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6 Defense, 8...Bd7
12. S Kriventsov vs Nakamura  1-0241999Rated TournamentB80 Sicilian, Scheveningen
13. Nakamura vs J Fang 0-12119998th Eastern Class ChampionshipsB73 Sicilian, Dragon, Classical
14. A David vs Nakamura  1-025199927th World OpenB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
15. Nakamura vs W Paschall  ½-½251999North Bay OpenB65 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...Be7 Defense, 9...Nxd4
16. J Hebert vs Nakamura  1-0601999North Bay OpenE97 King's Indian
17. Nakamura vs V Rajlich  1-0521999North Bay OpenB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
18. G Taylor vs Nakamura  1-0311999North Bay OpenE75 King's Indian, Averbakh, Main line
19. Nakamura vs F Baragar  0-1451999North Bay OpenC17 French, Winawer, Advance
20. M Stroud vs Nakamura  0-1371999North Bay OpenE92 King's Indian
21. S Glinert vs Nakamura  ½-½381999North Bay OpenA07 King's Indian Attack
22. D Moody vs Nakamura 0-1201999100th US OpenB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
23. Nakamura vs A Aleksandrov ½-½601999100th US OpenC45 Scotch Game
24. A Wojtkiewicz vs Nakamura 1-0421999100th US OpenE62 King's Indian, Fianchetto
25. Nakamura vs G Gaiffe 1-0541999100th US OpenB23 Sicilian, Closed
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Jun-19-11  laskersteinitz: Hikaru Nakamura on his Twitter account: <Continuing to play like absolute garbage ever since Wijk aan Zee.> Only a loser would say something like this! I think we have an explanation for this <plateau>: Nakamura now thinks he's "garbage" and therefore doesn't believe he can rise to the very top.
Jun-19-11  ycbaywtb: I think Naka got used to outplaying opponents and just being better than other players.

The truth is there is more resistance from guys like Karjakin, Carlsen, not to mention Anand and Kramnik.

Going up from 27770 is probably harder than going up from 2670.

Can you imagine if Carlsen reached 2870? That would be awesome!!!

Jun-19-11  ycbaywtb: If I remember right, Naka sort of had a plateau in his career in the past, and until he figured out what he wanted in life, he couldn't break that funk.

Or, until he played better chess!!!

Same thing will hold true now. Better chess is required. Nakamura should study Carlsen's games!!

And maybe Fischers too....

Jun-19-11  Strongest Force: In his last 2 events I think he has been too laid back and not hungry enough...just a guess.
Jun-19-11  ycbaywtb: Players on live ratings from 2700 to 2720 about 18.

Players from 2720 to 2740 about 7 or 8.

Players from 2740 to 2760 about 5 or 6.

Players from 2760 to 2780 another 5 or 6.

Players from 2780 to 2800 like 2 or 3.

Players from 2800 to 2820 about 3.

So, successively, each group of 20 rating points appears to have less and less players within that group. Or about the same as the prior group.

Like the 2 groups with about 5 or 6, and the 2 groups with 2 or 3.

However, it doesn't look as if any group within the 20 point rating ranges is larger than any of the groups rated under it.

So, it obviously is telling about how difficult it is to have given higher ratings, and how hard it is to be in the next higher rating range.

20 rating points doesn't seem like a whole lot, but when a victory only earns 4 or 5 points anyway, and you also factor in losses and draws on the way, it really can be hard to continue upward.

At any rate, the live lists of 2700 and above rated players is quite interesting.

However, for me personally, the nearly bottom half of about 18 names, from 2720 downward is really unnecessary.

Think about it. Magnus outranks those by 100 ELO points. Even Naka outranks them over 50 points.

The list should be revised somehow.

Sure it's great to be the up and comers over 2700, and maybe some in the chess world like to see these names with rising young stars like Giri and others.

But, for me, the meat and potatoes doesn't really start until a minimum of 2720 now. That takes out almost half the list.

If 18 of 41 fell off the list, that would leave 23 names still.

That's enough names to still have lively talk over who is the world's best players and how they stack up with each other, and for new and interesting names to crack the list.

But, with the current list including people over 100 ELO points from the top, I think that is going too far down the list.

Maybe even 2740 or 2750 are better places to start a top list now even.

2700 just isn't what it's cracked up to be anymore, in this patzer's opinion.

Maybe the list should be top 10, which starts around 2760 now. Amazing.

Years ago, 2760 would have been #1.

Not anymore.

Jun-19-11  ycbaywtb: Perhaps a better way of looking at the over 2700 in the world list is this way.

#1 Magnus out ranks #5 Kramnik by about 40 ELO points.

#5 Kramnik out ranks #15 Kamsky by about 40 ELO points.

and,

#15 Kamsky out ranks #40,41 whoever, by about 40 ELO points

So, the ranges are quite clear:

1. Players in range 2700 to 2740---approximately 25.

2. Players in range 2740 to 2780--- approximately 10.

3. Players in range 2780 to 2820--- approximately 5.

This is even more stunning for me than looking at the ELOs from 20 point spreads. With 40 point spreads you can see pretty clear groups of small group, medium-sized group, and large group, viewing from top down.

Viewing from bottom up, it's the opposite. Large, then medium, then small.

2700/2740/2780

Naka is close to the top group, but not there yet.

Jun-19-11  Rolfo: When frogbert started his live top list there was less than 30 above 2700 to my recollection
Jun-19-11  selfmate: <Can you imagine if Carlsen reached 2870? That would be awesome!!!>

If Carlsen improves as much between age 20 and 23 as Nakamura has, 2870 should be attainable for him.

That would make him pretty much untouchable by the old guard (Anand, Kramnik, Ivanchuk, Topalov etc.). Only one of the youngsters of his own generation, or younger, could hope to reach him.

Jun-19-11  Agent Bouncy: A suggestion for ycbaywtb: When you get to 2720 on the list, stop looking. I'd like to see a top 100 live ranking list.
Jun-19-11  ycbaywtb: ok, i can see your opinion you want to see top 100 on ELO list, but what does it mean, when you get to 2720 stop looking?

I'm sorry I don't understand your statement, stop looking???

Jun-19-11  Agent Bouncy: You said the part of the list with players under 2720 is "really unnecessary" so I said don't look at that part of the list.
Jun-20-11  frogbert: <In his last 2 events I think he has been too laid back and not hungry enough...just a guess.>

strongest force, it appears you're not seeing what's in front of your eyes: there's a notable difference between the fields of bazna and wijk aan zee: radjabov is super-solid and very hard to beat (1 loss, 7 draws so far). other than that, in bazna there is carlsen, ivanchuk and karjakin - all 2770+ before bazna started. how many wins does nakamura have against 2770+ players? in how many tries? how's that ratio compared to what he's done in bazna?

shirov is currently rated 2713,9 - and is everything but solid. he lost to naka in wijk. grischuk had a terrible event in wijk, lost 26 rating points and suffered defeats against ponomariov, aronian and wang hao in addition to against naka. here are naka's wins from waz:

grischuk 2773 (with a 2600 tpr)
nepo 2733
shirov 2722
vachier-lagrave 2715
smeets 2662
l'ami 2628

in bazna, nisipeanu is doing better than what grischuk did in wijk, btw. and nisi is the only player rated lower than nepo, who was the second highest rated player that naka beat in wijk aan zee.

against the 2770+ dudes in waz (radjabov didn't play waz) naka went

+ grischuk
- carlsen
= aronian
= anand
= kramnik

(and for reference
= wang hao 2731
= ponomariov 2744
)

which is a 50% score. and more or less what he's done in bazna too:

+ nisipeanu 2662
= nisipeanu 2662
- carlsen 2815
= carlsen 2815
= karjakin 2776
= karjakin 2776
= ivanchuk 2776
= radjabov 2744

i don't think nakamura is being "laid back" or "not hungry". he's simply learning to play consistently at this level, and <i think he's doing well>. it's simply different playing top 10 players compared to playing 2700-player further down the ladder. there's a correlation between rating and playing strength - the guys at the top of the list are there for a reason: they are really hard to beat. as simple as that.

radjabov - nakamura was a pretty wild game, btw. but it ended a draw never the less. most of the players present in bazna are able to manage wild complications when they enter such positions - so steering the game into chaos doesn't necessarily leave naka with a won game. but if you look at that game, you have to see the <ambition> of nakamura's play - playing the najdorf isn't something a laid back person does. but radjabov seemingly stayed in control as much as naka did.

Jun-20-11  frogbert: <Hikaru Nakamura on his Twitter account: <Continuing to play like absolute garbage ever since Wijk aan Zee.> Only a loser would say something like this!>

not really. but someone who still doesn't possess the perfect self-insight, possibly. :o)

Jun-20-11  BTO7: Hello all you Naka fans !!! Lets not fret...our guy is doing just fine. The leveling off as some are suggesting of Naka I have a bit of a take on. First off yes hes playing top ten players but to me more importantly then that is his concentrating on his opening play. This more or less is leading him down the highway of well looked over lines (something he was good at side stepping in the past) and adaptation takes some time. He's only recently started to play more focused openings but at the same time is imo far behind the others in the study of these lines and actually playing more into their hands a bit at this point...thus what looks to be a bit of a leveling off.

Usually when you try to improve on openings or even take up a new one your game levels off and even takes a step back before getting better. Its also forcing him to play a bit outside the box he enjoys playing so adaptation time should not surprise us. As for Carlsen I think that little blitz deal they had after hours has had a bit of mental hold on Naka...the man hates to lose. It may be time Naka finds a top second to work with since the name of the game now is playing against well devised repitore's and main lines he has avoided in the past.

Maybe a opening expert top GM to help him speed up his opening work may be just what the Doctor ordered. He has plenty of time and I dont see not stop in him yet for sure....just a resizing up of the top of the ladder and im with James he will be top 5 before the years out. He's getting the experience he needs now playing against the top players and playing in top events and I only see many more good things to come. At this level it dont just happen over night...give him a couple days lol :) Happy Fathers Day all !

Jun-20-11  rogge: <frogbert>, pretty well summed up. Both Grischuk and Shirov experienced a terrible Tata tourney.
Jun-21-11  timhortons: <but someone who still doesn't possess the perfect self-insight, possibly. :o)>

I love it when frog is kibitzing here.

Jun-21-11  bronkenstein: Yea, he can be ... funny ;)
Jun-21-11
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  ketchuplover: are ye the prez of the naka fan club? tia
Jun-21-11  OrigamiArtist: Nakamura via twitter <With some well timed blunders, I turned a mediocre result into an unmitigated disaster! Time to focus on the WSOP now!> Anyone know whether Hikaru is actually playing in any of the WSOP events? I didn't know he played poker seriously too.
Jun-21-11  bronkenstein: <With some well timed blunders...> Ah , his literary style is improving I would say .
Jun-21-11  James Bowman: <strongest force, it appears you're not seeing what's in front of your eyes: there's a notable difference between the fields of bazna and wijk aan zee>

How I much missed this insulting tone, why not just say he's stupid.

Anyway <strongest force> Your not stupid the field at Wijk had an average elo of 2740 Banza was 2758 virtually no difference. In Wijk Nakamura played great chess delivering a 2879 performance while in Banza he only gave a 2720 performance by far lower and anyone looking at his games and results could see he was a bit out of form, not playing horrible but certainly not up to the higher standards he set for himself, 55pts below his elo. Not a disaster but certainly a minor set back and below par.

Carlsen and Karjakin both put in strong performances in Banza 2853 and 2861 respectivly, Carlsen has not looked so good in a while truly deserving his triumph or nearly so. Karjakin really seems to be hitting his stride congrats to both players.

So don't by into the strange mix of statistical data combined with ancedotal examples such as Grischuk was out of form in Wijk (like Ivanchuck wasn't in Banza) and now Radjabov is playing as if Radjabov somehow carries more weight than the current world champ and a former world champion?

Nakamura was not playing his signature style and still put in a descent performance. I think he finally hit the bump we all expected just like Carlsen did last year. I thought rumors of his demise were greatly exagerated. I wouldn't sell my Nakman stock just yet, my Carlsen stock is climbing again. I'm only sorry I overlooked the Karjakin IPO which is getting expensive now. I also can't say I have taken enough interest to really understand his playing style, or maybe it's just not as distinct as Carlsens precision and finesse or the Nakamura rook & knight razzle dazzle, but he has my attention.

Great tournament, not so much for Nakamura but for chess fans i general. I really enjoyed Carlsens games in Banza almost as much as I did Nakamura's in Wijk great chess is hard not to like!

Jun-21-11  James Bowman: <Same thing will hold true now. Better chess is required. Nakamura should study Carlsen's games!!>

If I were Nakamura's or any other player aspiring to be the worlds greatest I would study Carlsen both how he wins and how he loses in great depth, He is the bench mark now.

I would also study Kasparov until I knew how he thought and understood his game too. Nobody with any considerable number of games has a plus score against him, he could really work his ponies much like Nakamura does so much to learn from the great one.

Fischer is the last one that is essential IMHO, know how to work off your bishops, Fischer bishop on a long diagonal could pry apart a kingside like nobodies buisness. Fischer could also transition from an attack to the endgame before his opponents understood it happened. Honestly though on the last one I think Nakamura, Kasparov and Carlsen do or did so with great effect already.

Enjoy some blitz and perhaps better yet some rapid games for training and testing concepts (think he already is). Of course only play longer time controls nearer to an event but have fun climbing up the ratings list and enjoy the view young Nakmura, understand that this close to the summit the cliff walls are steep, jagged and the air is thin but the view is worth the effort.

All this wonderful advise at no charge ;o]

Jun-21-11  James Bowman: <BT07> Let me just respond to your post by saying ditto.
Jun-21-11  frogbert: so, how will naka do in dortmund?

kramnik 2781
nakamura 2770
ponomariov 2764
le quang liem 2715
giri 2701
meier 2656

another interesting challenge for naka i think. dortmund and biel at more or less the same time will certainly provide some entertainment in the second half of july. double round robins sporting carlsen, nakamura, vachier-lagrave, caruana, le quang liem and giri (in two different venues, of course) will give the "youngsters" more opportunity to shine.

hm. nakamura is by far the oldest one of the above 6, when i come to think of it.

Jun-21-11  Atking: Nakamura last game was really terrible. Ivanchuk played it very well. Nakamura knew he could be at best be third at Banza thus I suspect he prepared his mind for a short and pacific draw. A mistake. Indeed it was a positionnal and psychological torture. So big difference with the Ivanchuk of the previous day! I mean it is not easy to setup his mind vs a player who have one day a strenght to say the best 2400 then the next day a strenght of nearly 2800.

But overall (without this last game) not a bad tournament. Carlsen was clearly leading. Karjakin was good but got 2 easy points from Ivanchuk. For my part I still see Karjakin-Nakamura and Radjabov in a nearly same group (Ivanchuk has no league on our earth he is from another planet) who can challenge the very top but still one step from it.

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