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Jun-24-21
 | | Tabanus: <The baptismal entries for 1810 at Crosthwaite, the parish that included Keswick, were also consulted via the above-mentioned website; they show around 40 male baptisms, but none named either Howard or Staunton.> The records are hardly complete. I read (but can't find it now) that there were over 100 baptisms per year at Crosthwaite. 1809-1811 should be checked too. |
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Jun-24-21
 | | MissScarlett: The editor of the <Athenaeum> at the time was <Norman MacColl> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma...), but without knowing more about the operation of the magazine, one could hardly be certain of his authorship. I should have picked up on this source before, since it's listed as such in Sidney Lee's biography: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dict... A more easily navigable source for the <Athenaeum> is <HathiTrust>: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt... |
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Jun-24-21
| | Tabanus: <On coming of age he received a few thousand pounds under his father's will.> This is in Lee's text only and not in the Athenaeum, right? That Will (if true) may still be available somewhere. |
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Jun-24-21
| | MissScarlett: <That Will (if true) may still be available somewhere.> An immense job, and probably hopeless. |
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Jun-24-21
| | Tabanus: Yes :)
And the wills of 5th Earl of Carlisle and his sons ... I'm not able to read them properly, but others have, and they say nada. |
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Jun-24-21
| | MissScarlett: Staunton's <The Great Schools of England (1869, 2e)> lists two grammar schools you might be interested in: <Stainton, Westmorland, CROSSCRAKE SCHOOL> https://archive.org/details/greatsc... <Keswick, Cumberland, CROSTHWAITE SCHOOL> https://archive.org/details/greatsc... If antique school desks from the area could be located, they might be examined for graffiti such as <H.S. woz ere, 1825>. Any surviving remnants of chewing gum could be DNA tested for potential matching with known descendants of the great man. |
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Jun-24-21
| | Tabanus: We'll take a broad approach :/
Lee says he received the money <On coming of age>. What is that supposed to mean in ca. 1875, what age could that be. |
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Jun-24-21
| | Tabanus: Cambridge Dictionary:
<Someone's coming of age is the time when that person legally becomes an adult and is old enough to vote.> Err, 1830 or earlier. Maybe. |
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Jun-24-21
| | Tabanus: Wrong Earl perhaps. What about William Lowther (1787-1872), 2nd Earl of Lonsdale, who had properties in Keswick abt. 1810. Wiki: <Lord Lonsdale never married, but had at least three illegitimate children he acknowledged. He left them substantial sums in his will. An opera enthusiast, it is believed all of his children were born to opera singers or dancers.> |
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Jun-24-21
| | MissScarlett: Age 21 is meant. I suggest looking for turquoise waistcoat manufacturers whose profits suddenly boomed c.1831. |
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Jun-25-21
| | Tabanus: There's also a village Stainton about 7 km south of Kendal. Apparently it belonged to Westmoreland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stain... ## https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/e... |
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Jun-25-21
| | MissScarlett: Two Staintons? Now, I'm confused. In fact, there's a third in Cumbria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stain... But it forced me, however reluctantly, to have a look at a map of the area: http://www.twithr.co.uk/cumbria/ima... Your original <Stainton>, presumably the <Staunton> mentioned by our 1828 traveller (Howard Staunton (kibitz #479)), which lies near Penrith on the road from Keswick to Carlisle. This is in what was Cumberland. Then there's <Stainton>, a few miles south of Kendal, in South Lakeland, which had the grammar school, Crosscrake. This is in what was Westmoreland. <Stainton_with_Adgarley>, originally Stainton alone, is just outside Dalton-in-Furness. This is in what was Lancashire. Alles klar? |
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Jun-26-21
| | Tabanus: Gar nicht. There is also a Stainton in Richmondshire, about halfway between Kendal and Castle Howard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stain... |
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Jun-26-21
| | MissScarlett: Suffice to say that <Stainton>, <Stanton>, <Staunton> and variations thereof, are commonplace enough, whether as locations or surnames, to render any further such 'research' moot. |
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| Jun-27-21 | | offramp: <MissScarlett: Suffice to say that <Stainton>, <Stanton>, <Staunton> and variations thereof, are commonplace enough, whether as locations or surnames, to render any further such 'research' moot.
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What do you mean by "moot"? |
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| Jun-27-21 | | Retireborn: Let's not forget Arch Stanton and his cunning Wrong Grave defence. |
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Jun-27-21
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<Retireborn>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubV... |
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| Jun-27-21 | | Retireborn: <jess> Thank you! Must watch the whole film again. |
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Jun-27-21
| | MissScarlett: That looks nothing like Kensal Green cemetery.
Every manhunt is marked by obfuscations, distractions and misdirections. I persist. |
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Jul-20-21
 | | gezafan: <keypusher: Fischer famously put Staunton in his top 10 while leaving Lasker off entirely. That's a much bigger offense than dissing Botvinnik.> I'm a great admirer of Staunton but I wouldn't put him over Lasker and Botvinnik. However, let me point out that at the time Fischer said this he was already a GM, one of the top players in the world and had studied the games of the top players in history. His opinion had to have been based on something.. |
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| Jul-21-21 | | Petrosianic: Specifically, Fischer put Staunton there because he was ahead of his time in playing fianchettoes before anyone else was. That doesn't mean he was one of the 10 strongest players. |
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Jul-21-21
| | MissScarlett: In which games did Staunton fianchetto his bishops? It's more likely that Fischer had in mind some of Staunton's analytical ponderings, but I'm not familiar enough with Staunton's books to comment. Access to Jack Collins' library is often said to be how Fischer was so knowledgable about chess history, but if you look at the quality of chess literature published until the 1960s, I imagine Fischer had only a patchy and superficial impression of 19th century chess. |
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| Jul-21-21 | | Retireborn: <MissS>
Staunton vs Horwitz, 1851 is the only such game I'm aware of, although one notes Ray Keene's assertion that Staunton was "fond of" the double fianchetto. |
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Jul-21-21
| | MissScarlett: The <Oxford Companion> claims <Strategic use of the fianchetto, pioneered by Staunton and L. Paulsen, has since become the basis of many openings>, but that doesn't take us much further. The games of Cochrane and Mohishunder from the 1850s can be identified as introducing Indian-type defences to the West, and Staunton was certainly aware of some of these. If anywhere, Staunton's writings from the 1860s need to be examined. |
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Jul-21-21
 | | ray keene: For another Staunton double fianchetto masterpiece see game 8 of his 1851 match v Williams. It's on Chessgames.com and in my book on Staunton. |
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