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Nov-04-04 | | PinkPanther: WOW?! Acirce has taken me off of his censor list?? Anyway, yes that's what I meant. Objectively it makes no difference if you're "Arab" or not, it just seems that countries in which Islam runs the show, human rights more or less cease to exist. |
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Nov-04-04
 | | cu8sfan: <PinkPanther> The case from New York was the one involving Abner Louima from Haiti, not Jamaica: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/tortur... It's debatable wether your statement was racist or not. I for my part don't want to be arrested neither by Arabs nor Americans. (-; |
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Nov-04-04 | | acirce: <WOW?! Acirce has taken me off of his censor list??> No, I haven't. Sometimes I use kibitz search to be able to read posts by people I normally ignore. Only occasionally. I just got curious to see what you said in this discussion. Now you're 100% ignored again. :-) |
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Nov-04-04 | | PinkPanther: God, acirce is annoying. |
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Nov-04-04 | | PinkPanther: Photos of the altercation can be seen here:http://www.ajedreznd.com/2004/serie... |
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Nov-04-04
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Nov-04-04 | | aw1988: I read the article. I'm too disgusted to comment. |
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Nov-04-04 | | yoozum: although azmai did make himself seem quite the hero in this article, i do think that what the police did was absolutely horrible. The united states does have police brutality, except it's only really made public when it's committed against minorities, which constitutes it as a hate crime. |
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Nov-05-04
 | | ray keene: here is malcolm peins take on the azmai incident which i found in his column in the daily telegraph london GM arrested after scuffle
Violence has marred the closing ceremony of the 36th Chess Olympiad held at Calvia on the island of Mallorca as GM Zurab Azmaiparashvili the head of the Georgian Chess Federation, Fide Vice President and one of the most controversial figures in the chess world was involved in a scuffle with security guards, arrested and imprisoned. The forty-four year old GM ranked world number thirty-one got into trouble as he tried to approach the podium to attract the attention of Fide President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov after the medal ceremony had been concluded. Mr Azmaiparashvili was trying to correct an omission by the organisers who had forgotten to award a prize donated by the Georgians that was to be presented by the legendary former world champion Nona Gaprindashvili. At this point accounts of the rumpus differ but your correspondent has met several eye witnesses and the likelihood is that the Spanish security guards who, it appears had already taken a dislike to Mr Azmaiparashvili, overreacted. Six guards literally covered the Grandmaster from head to toe after he remonstrated with them as they blocked his path. The Spanish tournament organisers allege that Azmaiparashvili head-butted a security policeman in the mouth without provocation. In a counter-statement Fide alleges he was set upon without provocation. What is clear is that he was handcuffed and then beaten up in front of his wife and the crestfallen players and delegates. He was then taken into custody by the Spanish police at a federal police station in Palmanova, Mallorca. He emerged from jail some forty hours later with a black eye that dwarfs even that sported by Rocky Balboa after his epic title fight in the film Rocky II. Mr Azmaiparashvili is no stranger to controversy. In 1995 he gained a huge number of rating points at a 'tournament' in the Macedonian town of Strumica. There were allegations that the whole event, won by Mr Azmaiparashvili by a big margin, was fixed. At last year's European Championship he blundered in a crucial game but mysteriously his opponent Vladimir Malakhov allowed him to take the move back. Most recently he was accused of bullying and intimidation by two of his own Georgian female players at the Women's World Championship where he was an organiser. |
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Nov-05-04 | | Dave Murray: Man... I thought Spain was a civilized country! |
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Nov-05-04 | | yoozum: i'm glad that the article ray keene found provides us with another point of view on azmai, not necessarily on this event. i understand that he is very likely mostly innocent in this affair in calvia, but i don't think that i would be too surprised to learn of any other past scandals. |
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Nov-05-04
 | | offramp: I found this on the internet about Strumica. I had never heard of it and it is really interesting: "One harkens back to Strumica 1995, one of the best-known fake tournaments ever. In a four player sextuple round robin, the scores were: Azmaiparashvili 16/18
Kutirov 11.5/18
Kurajica 4.5/18
Rashkovsky 4/18
I won't go into details about the bottom two players - they are basically
blacklisted as known cheats. I know very little about Kutirov, other than the fact that he never had a rating over 2370 until 1995, then went from 2330 in late 1994 to 2525 in mid-1996, got the GM title, and has been haemorrhaging points - currently at 2367. Oh yeah, that jump (helped so greatly by Strumica) got him the IM AND GM titles. And Azmaiparashvili? Well, he was a world top 100 GM - no one questions his strength. Strumica helped him go from 2610 to 2660 - quite a huge jump for one rating list. Of course, Azmai showed his class, got as high as 2681, and is now 2676. Strumica or no Strumica, he's good." |
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Nov-05-04
 | | ray keene: strumica 1995
from what i have heard and deduced and from what azmai said in an interview a year or so back in new in chess my view is as follows: 1 the tournament actually did take place
2 it took place under very informal circumstances-in a bar or restuarant 3 only two of the players took the event remotely seriously and it might even have been played at a fast time limit 4 some of the results may have had few or no moves which is why the game scores are hard to obtain 5 everyone who played benfitted in one way or another my conclusion is that the event probably happened but that it may well not have conformed to the regulations which permit rating-it might have been a fun event -basically played in a bar-then someone got the bright idea that getting it rated -with appropriate compensation for the lower players-wd be a clever thing to do. btw the first time i met kurajica 39 years ago when he was a junior he was already prepared to throw games. |
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Nov-05-04
 | | ray keene: on my section i have posted what appears to be the latest news re dubai |
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Nov-05-04 | | Dionyseus: Check out these pictures of the guards who beat up Azmai.
http://www.ajedreznd.com/2004/serie...
In the first photo, you see two guards blocking Azmai's way. Behind Azmai is his wife. In the second photo, the guy on the right is the one who allegedly got headbutted. The Spanish guy with the bald head and sporting a mustach looks quite evil and hungry for a fight. The guy who has Azmai on a headlock looks like he's having fun. In the third photo, the guy on the right is the one who allegedly got headbutted. As you can see, he has no injuries at all on his face nor is his lips busted. Being Spanish (thankfully not from Spain) , I was able to read the page. It seems whoever wrote this article believes the account from the Spaniards. At one point, the editor asks how Azmai's wife could be cold-blooded enough to record the fight. Uh, I don't know about this editor, but I would have recorded it as well if I were her. I would want evidence. Besides, what else could she have done, they were huge and as strong if not stronger than Azmai. Shame on those Spanish officials. I'm aware that Azmai has sinned in the past, but he didn't deserve that. |
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Nov-05-04 | | Pretendyourlying: It really is an outrage. Nobody deserves to be treated like that. But it is known that those southern European countries have sort of another rules in respect to what the police can do. |
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Nov-05-04 | | Leviathan: <Pretendyourlying>
I must disagree. In every country you have policemen abusing of their authority, not only in what you call 'Southern Europe'.Have you ever lived in 'Southern Europe'? How can you say <It is really an outrage(...)But it is known that those Southern Europe countries have sort of another rules in respect to what the police can do> without any proof? Please try to avoid being prejudicial regarding people you don't know. |
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Nov-05-04
 | | cu8sfan: <Pretendyourlying> I agree with Leviathan and would love to know where you come from. |
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Nov-05-04 | | Leviathan: <Pretendyourlying>
It looks like you mean something like this: "In the country I live in, a man beaten up by policemen is outrageous. But in 'southern europe' it isn't."Hey, we aren't savages here! :) |
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Nov-05-04 | | Griffin: Had this unfortunate event occured in the yew ess hay SWAT would have been called in and before you could say "Bazooka Joe" he would have had 25 Bazookas in his face, Blues Brothers style with a few helis thrown in some flame throwers and a handfull of Gay american marines led by john wayne and other square jawed bozos smoking cigars J Jonah jameson style then it would have been a rigged trial & exit stage left in old smokey Ted Bundy style. Did anyone mention grenades? |
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Nov-05-04 | | Leviathan: "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein |
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Nov-05-04 | | BradMajors: I think people should take what Azmaiparashvili says in the chessbase interview with a grain of salt. He has proven to be one of the most unethical and lamest GM's of all, and should really have been stripped his title and rating ages ago. Instead he is FIDE vice president. |
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Nov-05-04 | | WMD: I'm suprised no-one's commented yet on the likeness between the shaven-headed security man and Ming the Merciless: http://flashgordon.ws/ming.htm |
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Nov-05-04 | | aw1988: Actually I think it's "Only two things are infinite. The universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the former. |
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Nov-05-04 | | aw1988: I have met Azmai before... he is actually quite a nice person; although I am unaware of his previous incidents. |
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