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Dec-14-23
 | | keypusher: Carlsen <convicted of breaking FIDE rules>. When did this happen? What court or tribunal? What was the penalty? |
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| Dec-14-23 | | EvanTheTerrible: He was not against Niemann in that bout, but rather FIDE. I'd say Niemann won the dispute with Carlsen seeing as Niemann left the Sinquefield Cup banned on Chess.com and with Carlsen unwilling to play him, both of which have been reversed. He also likely got a nice chunk of change to boot. |
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| Dec-14-23 | | EvanTheTerrible: Keypusher, FIDE released their report on Carlsen yesterday. He was not punished for accusing Niemann, but was fined 10,000 euro for withdrawing from the Sinquefield Cup. https://ethics.fide.com/wp-content/... |
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Dec-14-23
 | | MissScarlett: <Carlsen was exonerated on all three charges relating to Niemann, and convicted of breaking FIDE rules. Be sure you're paying attention before telling someone else to.> <Hans has now won his last three contests with Magnus.> This post was dated August 29th. Work out what happened shortly beforehand, and proceed from there. |
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Dec-14-23
| | MissScarlett: FIDE's financial ties to <chess.com>, a key actor in the Carlsen - Niemann affair, represent a clear and obvious conflict of interest, thus rendering any verdict null and void. I believe the American government should now step in and institute their own proceedings. |
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Dec-14-23
 | | perfidious: The centre of the American chess universe now being in St Louis, any proceeding would eventually wind up in the Eighth Circuit Court; I have no doubt there would be appeals from one side or t'other. |
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| Dec-14-23 | | Petrosianic: The difference between chess.com and Chessbase can be seen in their respective headlines: CHESS.COM: Carlsen Not Guilty On 3/4 Counts In Niemann Ruling, Fined €10,000 For Withdrawal CHESSBASE: FIDE Ethics Commission fines Carlsen 10,000 euros Chess.com definitely tries to put a more positive spin on it (There are three rules he didn't break and only one he did!) Now, about those rules he didn't break. One of them was bringing chess and FIDE into disrepute. Remember, that Karjakin was recently suspended for violating this rule. Chess.com says this: <While the investigatory report concluded that Carlsen's accusations against Niemann brought chess into disrepute, the EDC disagreed and said that the coverage of the matter "made chess a popular topic of discussion around the world."> Yeah, Carlsen had people talking about chess, but in a <negative> way, with the focus on how it was full of rampant, unchecked, unpunished cheating. I don't really want to defend Karjakin here, but it's a pretty slippery distinction to say that Karjakin brought chess into disrepute and Carlsen didn't. You could just as easily argue that Karjakin brought himself into disrepute but not chess. |
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Dec-15-23
| | keypusher: Thanks all, and especially Evan for the link.
Since the panel found that the accusation that Niemann had cheated was not "reckless" or "manifestly unreasonable", it would have been hard for them to conclude that Carlsen was guilty of disparaging chess, FIDE, etc. |
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| Dec-15-23 | | stone free or die: <kp> yes. Reminds me of Ted Kennedy. <About a week after Kopechne's death, Ted pleaded guilty to a charge of <"leaving the scene of an accident after causing personal injury without making himself known">. He was given a two month suspended sentence.> |
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Dec-15-23
| | keypusher: < stone free or die: <kp> yes. Reminds me of Ted Kennedy.
<About a week after Kopechne's death, Ted pleaded guilty to a charge of <"leaving the scene of an accident after causing personal injury without making himself known">. He was given a two month suspended sentence.>> One week?? It's good to be a Kennedy. |
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Dec-15-23
| | perfidious: For a start, Kennedy failed to report the accident until the next morning. Not a snowball's chance any member of CG could get by with that. |
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| Dec-15-23 | | stone free or die: It's good to have friends in FIDE places. |
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| Dec-15-23 | | EvanTheTerrible: We might get the first rematch since the scandal at the upcoming rapid/blitz world championship, which both players will be attending. |
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| Jan-22-24 | | EvanTheTerrible: The point at which Carlsen lost equality was when he did not capture the knight on c4 and trade into an endgame. It looks lost at first blush, with the connected passers for black on the a and b files, but black cannot make progress after 30.Bxc4 Rxc4 31.gxf5 Ra4 32.Rb8 b5 33.Rb6 Rxa3. The resulting position reminds me a lot of this classic Botvinnik vs Fischer, 1962. |
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| Mar-15-24 | | DanLanglois: 29...Nc4 not great? 29...fxg4:
Stockfish 15 -1.90 (depth 43) 29...fxg4 30.Rxe4 f5 31.Re7+ Kf6 32.Rf7+ Kg5 33.Rg7+ Kh4 34.f3 gxf3 35.exf3 b5 36.Kd2 Nc4+ 37.Kd3 Rc8 38.Kd4 Rd8+ 39.Kc5 Nxa3 40.Be6 Rf8 41.Ra7 Nc2 42.Rxa6 Kg5 43.Bd5 |
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| Mar-15-24 | | DanLanglois: <29...<fxg4> 30.Rxe4 f5 31.Re7+ Kf6 32.Rf7+ Kg5 33.Rg7+ Kh4 34.f3 gxf3 35.exf3 b5 36.Kd2 Nc4+ 37.Kd3 Rc8 38.Kd4 Rd8+ 39.Kc5>
click for larger view-+ |
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Apr-27-24
| | MissScarlett: <Liverpool forward Mohamed Salah said if he speaks "there will be fire" after he argued with manager Jurgen Klopp on the touchline during the 2-2 Premier League draw at West Ham.> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/footbal... Salah is a big chess fan. |
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| May-02-24 | | EvanTheTerrible: In addition to the Netfix documentary being produced, there are plans for another movie about Carlsen's accusation. https://variety.com/2024/film/news/... |
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Sep-09-24
| | MissScarlett: <Something new he brought up about the 2022 Sinquefield Cup was that GM Rustam Kasimdzhanov—who was coaching him—sent him a text message before his game with Carlsen, "Check the Catalan. Go try some weird stuff," explaining why he came so well-prepared for the opening.> https://www.chess.com/news/view/202... |
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| Sep-10-24 | | EvanTheTerrible: I recalled him saying that Kasimzhanov was his second during the event at some other point, but could not recall where I had heard him say it. At the time, I listened to some of the commentary from the event (Kasimdzhanov was providing commentary for Chess24) to hear his comments with that new perspective. |
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Sep-10-24
| | MissScarlett: You mentioned it back on June 15th: Hans Niemann (kibitz #1572) |
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| Sep-10-24 | | Bobby Fiske: <I recalled him saying that Kasimzhanov was his second during the event at some other point> It was also mentioned by Niemann in his recent interview with Levy Rozman on the chess.com stream from Paris. It's on YouTube. |
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Sep-10-24
| | MissScarlett: That is to what the <chess.com> report was referring. |
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| Sep-18-24 | | Damenlaeuferbauer: This is the greatest game in the history of chess! Having good vibes, the GOAT Hans Moke Niemann completely outplayed the reigning world champion. After this tremendous loss, Magnus Carlsen wasn't able to continue the tournament. "Chess speaks for itself!" |
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| May-15-25 | | tonsillolith: <The Niemann Hypothesis> would be another fitting title |
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