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Magnus Carlsen vs Hans Niemann
"Where There's Moke, There's Fire" (game of the day Sep-07-2022)
Sinquefield Cup (2022), Saint Louis, MO USA, rd 3, Sep-04
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Romanishin Variation (E20)  ·  0-1



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  MissScarlett: One of the biggest news stories of the year and <> is on the verge of an exclusive.....tell us MORE!
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  yiotta: <stone free...> I believe he was 12

<Chessius the...>English is only my 1st language, can you explain your post?

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  yiotta: Although he was a child, this incident speaks to the fact that Hans claims never to have cheated over the board, or for cash prizes. He's clearly a talented player; it's a shame that his results are tainted by inevitable suspicions.
Nov-03-22  Chessius the Messius: <yiotta>

What part of my previous post were you struggling with?

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  MissScarlett: I think he's saying that if <> are drawn into a $100 million lawsuit, would said friend be prepared to swear to this under oath.
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  yiotta: <MissScarlett>I believe my friend is telling the truth, so why wouldn't he swear to it in court?

<Chessius>I'm not familiar with the expression "sucking from your thumb", can you explain what it means?

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  MissScarlett: <<MissScarlett>I believe my friend is telling the truth, so why wouldn't he swear to it in court?>

Shouldn't you clear this with your friend first?

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  yiotta: <MissScarlett>I probably should have checked with him before I made the first post. Well, I can always start a Go Fund Me for my share of the $100 million. On the bright side, I'll be partners with Carlsen and Nakamura.
Nov-03-22  Chessius the Messius: <yiotta>

Oh, I see. It's a Dutch expression. It means:

to make up, to fabricate, to pull out of one's ass.

Nov-03-22  stone free or die: <<yiotta> I probably should have checked with him before I made the first post. Well, I can always start a Go Fund Me for my share of the $100 million. On the bright side, I'll be partners with Carlsen and Nakamura.>


No worries though, everybody else realizes <CG> is actually parody.

(Just ask the historian formerly known as Olimpiu Urcan.)

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  MissScarlett: < Well, I can always start a Go Fund Me for my share of the $100 million.>

$100 million makes for a nice round headline figure, but Niemann's lawsuit actually detailed five causes of action (slander, libel, violation of the Sherman Act, tortious interference, civil conspiracy); four each requesting at least $100 million in damages, and one, unspecified. And also costs, expenses, reasonable attorneys’ fees and any other relief as the court deems just and proper. So let's just say, don't expect much change from half a billion dollars.

Nov-04-22  newzild: <yiotta>

If a report was filed with the USCF then it would be in the public domain.

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  yiotta: <newzild>Why?
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  HeMateMe: Hans will have to settle out of court for an autographed copy of fred reinfield's 1000 tactical problems. Good effort, though.
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  Richard Taylor: Good game by Nielson. No evidence. Carlson played indifferently here.
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  HeMateMe: here it is:


no 12 year old should be without it.

Apr-26-23  DanLanglois: <Herr Stauffenberg: <DanLanglois> g4 because e4 will be capture with bishop or rook. But, 30. a4 ?? Better, maybe, now gxf5.>

You mean, 28. g4. I criticized this, as the losing move (as I recall). White is already down one pawn (I have grown only more critical of how that happened with 21. c4 Bxc4) and is now throwing another pawn, or at least what is obvious is that with 28. g4, the pawn (a second pawn) is being placed en pris. That didn't work out.

<Herr Stauffenberg: If exchange pawns... 29. gxf5 Rxd5 30. Rxe4 Rxf5 31. h4 Rh5 32. Rg4+ Kf6 33. f3 Nc4 34. a4 b5 35. axb5 axb5 36. Kf2 Ke5 37. e4 Kd4 38. Kg3 b4 39. Rg7 b3 40. Rxf7 b2 41. Rb7 Kc3 42. Kg4 Ra5 43. f4 h5+ 44. Kg3 Ra1 45. Rxb2 Kxb2 46. f5 Rg1+ 47. Kf4 Nd2 48. e5 Rf1+ 49. Kg5 Ne4+ 50. Kxh5 Rxf5+ 51. Kg4 Rxe5 52. h5 Nf6+ 53. Kh4 Rxh5+ 54. Kg3>

You mean, 29. gxf5 instead of 29. Ba2. What I'm tracking on is that Black can consolidate being up a 2nd pawn with ...fxg4, though it requires delicacy. Thus, maybe 29. Rd8 fxg4 will suffice. Looking at it now I wonder if 29. Ba2 fxg4 is also fine. After your 29. gxf5, at least we have something else. First, 28...Rc5 gives this, White to move:

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29. gxf5 isn't a 'real' option -- I mean, it would give this:

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White's bishop is hanging.

If I assume you mean 30. gxf5, then first, 29. Ba2 Nc5 30. gxf5

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Here, you give ...Rxd5, but there is nothing on d5. I guess you mean 30...Rxf5. However, Black has better: 30...Nxa3. This threatens ...Rc1+ followed by ...Rc2+, which might be a way to win the bishop on a2. So White doesn't really have any good moves, here.

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  Sally Simpson: I suppose here is a better place to post Nakamura's vid summing up that the Hans v Magnus court case has been dropped.

Not sure about Nakamura's wee dig mentioning Hans dip in form regarding ratings. Hans has been under the kind of pressure only we can only imagine since this whole thing started. (Magnus too has taken a hit rating wise - Nakamura forgot to mention that.)

Aug-29-23  zaxcvd: Key takeaways from Super GM Nakamura very guarded comments : - "Hans is rated 40 or 45 points lower than what he was after Siq..." "...Lost or struggled against opponents 400 or pts lower than MC..."

My prediction now - Either device or concrete evidence found or Hans would fade to irrelevancy sinking to his "real rating". Nothing more needs to be said...
Thanks for the video!

Aug-29-23  EvanTheTerrible: Hans's highest rating was 8 months after his game with Magnus. A recent dip in results does not mean anything.

He had a bad string of results, but has since won 2 tournaments and finished 0.5 points out of first in 3 others. He was down to 2645, but is now back up to 2665.

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  MissScarlett: Niemann's rating peaked in May:

Aug-29-23  zaxcvd: ..,those pesky devices... :)
either way its over for this cheater...Note that I gave 2 outcomes and one does not involve Hans rating dropping but increasing...then...boom...its over...the jig is up.
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  MissScarlett: Hans has now won his last three contests with Magnus.
Aug-29-23  zaxcvd: Bye lips....maybe work on allowing people with vpns to access this site...
Aug-29-23  EvanTheTerrible: Nothing will ever convince some people, so I will not try.
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