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Jun-03-07 | | ounos: btw, If 16. ... fxg3 then the simple 17. fxg3 is fine. |
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Jun-03-07
 | | al wazir: After much thought I rejected 16...f3 in favor of 16...fxg3 because of 17. Bf1. And the elaborateness of Florian's analysis of that line suggests that my instinct wasn't far off, even though he finds a win for black. But I think black also wins with 16...fxg3. If 17. hxg4, then 17...Bxg4 18. Qd3 Qh7+ 18. Kf1 Bh3, threatening 19...Qh1+. Now white has to play 19. Bxh3, whereupon black wins with 19...Qxh3+ 20. Kg1 (20. Ke2 Rxf2+) Qh7+ 21. Kf1 Rxf2+ 22. Rxf2 Qxf2#. If white doesn't take the ♘ on g4, say, playing 17. f3, then black has 17...Nf2, with overwhelming control. So the only defense seems to be 17. fxg3. Now black has 17...Rf6, to be followed by 18...Rh6, or if white decides to play hxg4 after all, 18...Bxg4 followed by 19...Raf8. <dzechiel>'s analysis seems to agree with mine, on the whole. Too bad Poutainen died young. |
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Jun-03-07 | | alshatranji: What about Nh2 after 17.Bf1? If 18.Kxh2, then 18...Bxh3, 19.Bxh3 g4 wins. |
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Jun-03-07
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <alshatranji> The move was already mentioned by <Gilmoy>, who analysed the same line as you. It would be a miracle if White could escape somehow by declining the knight; Black's many threats (strongest of them 18...Nxf1 19.Rxf1 Qxh3 and White has to sac his queen to stop mate, as well as the direct 18...Bxh3) force decisive gain of material. |
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Jun-03-07 | | sfm: Surprising with such an ferocious and deep attack so early. No wonder White was taken off guard.
Where was the mistake? |
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Jun-03-07 | | alshatranji: Thank you SwitchingQuylthulg. I didn't see that. Gilmoy apparently analysed everthing. |
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Jun-03-07
 | | fm avari viraf: The most logical moves are 16...f3 & fxg3 but I chose the latter as it opens up the f file & facilitates the attack. Then I chose the former & it turns out to be a cracker. A wonderful combination! |
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Jun-03-07 | | Gilmoy: <alshatranji:> Finding it on your own is good, too -- it means you're on the right track to pull it off OTB in a live game. Since I started solving these puzzles earlier this year, I've noticed my play (on pogo.com) has gotten somewhat more vicious, and a lot more fun. I see sacs now that I never would have noticed before (and most of them even win, hehe). |
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Jun-03-07 | | pedrorib: What would I do in a real game? Of course it would be Ng6 :) |
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Jun-04-07 | | RandomVisitor: Rybka would play 12.c5, which was played in C D'Amore vs A Fernandes, 1987 1-0, and scores the position 0.35/16. |
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Jun-04-07 | | kevin86: An inspiring finish-started by a brave pawn move. |
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Dec-29-07 | | minasina: An inspiring Finnish. |
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Jul-19-20
 | | nizmo11: The logical move 11...g5! was a theoretical novelty, played first in this game. |
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Mar-05-24
 | | HeMateMe: Is it December already? |
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Mar-05-24 | | SeanAzarin: Lovely conclusion. If the Bishop doesn't move, Black can capture it with the pawn. if the Bishop moves, 22... QxQ 23 KxQ RxR wins a Rook for Black. |
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Mar-05-24
 | | beatgiant: <HeMateMe> Maybe the idea is today is Bent Larsen's birthday, and Larsen had occasion to play this opening. "You better watch out, you better not cry, you better not pout, I'm telling you why, the Dutch Defense players are coming to town." |
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Mar-05-24
 | | piltdown man: Wrong time of year for this one, I think. |
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Mar-05-24
 | | Honza Cervenka: As <Gilmoy> and <alshatranji> suggested long time ago, after 17.Bf1 black has much more effective and more spectacular way to win than Florian's 17...Nh6 in brutal 17...Nh2!!, which attacks Bf1 and practically forces white to take the Knight with 18.Kxh2, which just runs into 18...Bxh3 19.Bxh3 g4 etc. Of course, 18.g4 Bxg4 or 18.Bg2 Bxh3 19.Bh1 g4 20.Re3 Nf1! 21.d6 Bg2! 22.Bxg2 Qh2+ 23.Kxf1 fxg2+ 24.Ke2 Rxf2+! 25.Kd3 g1=Q cannot save white. |
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Mar-05-24
 | | Check It Out: That's a Pertti good game. |
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Mar-05-24 | | stone free or die: Groan!™ |
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Mar-05-24
 | | sleepyirv: To be fair to myself, I suggested this pun in December three or four (or five?) years ago. |
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Mar-05-24
 | | OhioChessFan: Serviceable pun, should have run in December, odd it didn't after begging for Christmas puns by the selection committee. |
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Mar-06-24 | | thegoodanarchist: <sleepyirv: To be fair to myself, I suggested this pun in December three or four (or five?) years ago.> I am not seeing an earlier comment from you on this thread, so I am guessing you used the pun submission page. Turns out, I suspect the pun submission page is <plan b> for whoever chooses GOTD, and that they first scour the comments of games for suggestions. < OhioChessFan: Serviceable pun, should have run in December, odd it didn't after begging for Christmas puns by the selection committee.> Yes. As I mentioned above, I don't think the pun submission page is their first go-to for GOTD ideas. I can't remember if I submitted E Zagoryansky vs P Romanovsky, 1943 via the pun submission page or not, but I am fairly sure that I've had some GOTDs selected from the comments section only. |
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Mar-06-24
 | | beatgiant: <thegoodanarchist> Personally, I only ever use the pun submission page, and quite a few have been selected. But no need to speculate, we all know User: MissScarlett administers the GOTD and I'm sure that user will tell us whether puns suggested in comments are also considered. |
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Aug-12-24 | | Chessdreamer: I suspect the annotation is misattributed to Florian Jenni and the real annotator is
Tibor Florian. |
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