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Busnardo vs NN
Rome (1590), Rome ITA
Italian Game: Classical. Closed Variation (C53)  ·  1-0

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Mar-05-04  JustAFish: I think 11 ... Qf8 holds out a great deal longer. There is no immediate win.
Jul-19-04
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  Joshka: <JustAFish> Enjoyed your recent comments so I had to look you up, I saw that all your posts have had at least one answer, so I wanted to do you the honors for a complete swipe!:-)....4...Qe7 is the old move, heck even Alekhine has used it, so it can't be all that bad, 11... Nf6 has to be better than Qf8?, no?...it develops a piece and gets the rook into play... seems like 10...kd8 might have been better than the text as well. Thanks again for your comments and comment more!:-)
Aug-29-04  morphy234: This game looks like something Greco would play...
Oct-12-04
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  InspiredByMorphy: Morphy mated in a very similar way in the following game which made game of the day a while ago Morphy vs A Knight, 1856
Nov-04-04  Leviathan: <4 Qe7 is a premature move> It seems like Alekhine doesn't agree with that. (Canal vs Alekhine, 1923) :)
Nov-09-04  Jaymthegenius: Any computer nowadays could refute this whole line outright, I mean, they played so poorly in those times, any 6 year old kid in a chess club nowadays could easily defeat the likes of Ruy Lopez, Lucena, Polerio, Damiano and the like. The Damiano defense is 1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,f6?, and Damiano was considered the best player of his day! How could he be the best with that awful refuted line is beyond me.
Nov-09-04  aw1988: Yes, but nevertheless keep in mind you are making this comment 414 years later.
Nov-09-04  aw1988: Perhaps in 2700 they will frown upon us and say in disgust "how can they play this completely refuted sicilian defense?"
Nov-09-04  Fischer of Men: <Jaymthegenius> Damiano refuted the line but he became associated with it and the name stuck.
Jun-27-05  aw1988: By the way, this is NN's earliest game.
Jul-01-05
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  Richard Taylor: 8. ... g5 looks dubius...

Here I was thinking 10. ... Kd8 11. Bxg5 Nf6 12. Qh4 Rf8 13. f4 e:d4 14. e5 (and from here I thought White was winning but its not as clear as the Kd7 line Black played) (I see now) 14. ... dc3+ 15. Kh8 c:b2 16. e:f6 and then if b:a1=Q 17. Qh5+ Kd7 18. e:f8=N # but if 15. ... de6 16. f:e5 wins I think. And if earlier 13. f4 and e:f4 14 R:f4...

These sacrifices are good to run through even if you "cheat" bit (e.g. before a tourney when you donthave hours and hours to work everything out .. so you see and remember (again sometimes) the main ideas and tactics) as it is good to get the "patterns" in one's mind -although I try to work some of the lines out - this is instructive as an example of breaking the cover from the King

Aug-24-05  Jaymthetactician: Why not 8...Bg4, That's what I would play from there, but earlier I would have played 6...exd4,cxd4 to open the game up.

Also, Busnardo was a patzer, even back then as he played the Damiano which was refuted about the time of the games new rules in the 15th century.

Apr-23-06  Chessography: 4... Qe7 is not premature - it is book, and better than 4... Nf6 in my opinion.
Sep-18-06  AbhinavAsthana: 6...Bb6 a mistake? (coz I don't know)
Sep-19-07  wolfmaster: NN's first game ever played is a..........loss!
Oct-08-08  just a kid: <wolfmaster>What else did you expect?
Dec-20-08  thebribri8: Everybody has to start somewhere...
Dec-24-08  WhiteRook48: checkmating with a pawn... oh poor NN... :-D
Dec-24-08  MaxxLange: <The Damiano defense is 1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,f6?, and Damiano was considered the best player of his day!>

Damiano mentioned it as an example of bad opening play, and it got named after him

May-02-11  IRONCASTLEVINAY: center d pawn is always brutal.
May-23-11  Llawdogg: Wow! Checkmate with a pawn. Very nice.
Oct-03-15  The Kings Domain: Nice mating finish by white. Gotta love his control and attack on those long diagonals.
Apr-13-17  Yigor: Similar to #12 Busnardo - NN game where black played 10...Kf8. The critical blunder is 11...Qg7?? leading to the mate in 3 moves. The correct move is 11...Nf6 though white should win anyway.
May-19-21
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  phenstyle: 20 years ago Busnardo got the same kinda position, this is most likely a puzzle that Busnardo made or study than a real game. If you look at the other players inbetween they learned from the 1570 Busnardo game and played Nf6 instead of f6, so yeah it feels like it's not a real game..unless NN learned opening theory from Busnardo and was instructed to play this way haha
May-20-21  macer75: I wonder what online chess was like back then. If Busnardo was streaming this game the chat must have been wild.
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