Gioachino Greco vs NN (1623) When in Rome

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Gioachino Greco vs NN
"When in Rome" (game of the day Jun-06-2017)
London (1623), London ENG
Owen Defense: Matovinsky Gambit (B00) · 1-0

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Apr-27-15		Ke2: such an awesome game, my favorite greco one

Jun-17-15		Shoukhath007: But in some chess sites nunn's place is occupied by unknown player. Is nunn is that unknown player

Mar-17-16		talhal20: Greco has prepared this trap. Must give him credit for that as he must have spent days on this with number of variations to develop this and many more traps.

Mar-17-16		RookFile: It's logical, consistent play on both sides. Black puts his bishop on b7 and plays that to the max so he can win the rook on h1. Meanwhile, white has a more important target.

Apr-06-16		posoo: HAS ANYBODY CHEKD ON WAYNE prudluv lately? He seems a little nervose.

Oct-18-16		offramp: User: Wayne Proudlove is fine! He is still very proud and still madly in love.

Apr-03-17		Jeweller: Chess friends. Chess engines analyze this game here: http://proint.narod.ru/jeweller/jew...

Apr-15-17		Yigor: The correct line: 1. e4 b6 2. d4 Bb7 3. Bd3 f5 4. exf5 Bxg2 5. Qh5 g6 6. fxg6 Bg7 7. gxh7 Kf8 8. Nf3 Nf6 9. Qg6 Bxf3 10. Rg1 Rxh7 11. Qg3 Be4 12. Bxe4 Nxe4 13. Qf3 and white should win. This refutes the Matovinsky gambit. PSCC: 2E --> 2E1b (Owen defense) --> 2DE1b --> 2DEf1b

Jun-06-17		ChessHigherCat: The O-NN defense.

Jun-06-17		catlover: The hapless NN once again bites the dust.

Jun-06-17		The Kings Domain: A charmer. :-)

Jun-06-17		kevin86: mate in 8 with queen sac

Jun-06-17		Howard: Who the hell comes up with GOTD's like THIS ?

Jun-06-17		petemccabe: I wonder what is the furthest away from its original file any pawn has ever gotten. Where's Tim Krabbé when I need him?

Jun-06-17		schnarre: ...Alas, Poor NN!

Jun-22-17		Christoforus Polacco: Polerio's analysis and Greco's games this is begining of modern theory in chess.

Dec-23-18		HarryP: Nice!

Jul-26-19		Chesgambit: tactical Queen sacrfice 7. gxh7!

Jun-22-20		Ziryab: Now that this game, first found in Greco's MountStephen manuscript (1623), has the correct date and location, the title "When in Rome" is confusing.

Jan-06-23		generror: Nice miniature with an amazingly hypermodern, but equally stupid opening that is gambiting the f-pawn. As so often, the best way to refute the gambit is to accept the it. White hopes for a rook but finds quick death, especially because he doesn't know how to play his own opening well -- after <6...Nf6??>, Black's suffering is over after a nice mate in 2. <6...Bg7> is definitively the better move. In fact, it's the only move that doesn't lose outright. I have seen quite a few "analyses" of this opening on the internet, made by random fans, that show two or three variations and conclude that "Black is fine" and that it's a great opening. Looking at a few opening databases and spending half an hour exploring this opening with Stockfish shows that, at least against reasonable players (say, Elo 1000+), it is just suicide. There is no clear way for White to win, but Black has to be EXTREMELY accurate, while White just has to keep from blundering and playing natural moves that keep up the pressure. So if you're not Stockfish or Carlsen, this opening sucks, plain and simple. One last thing that struck me is that the positions arising from this opening are really boring and ugly. This opening sucks even aesthetically.

Jun-07-23		itay72: Damn, chess players played like a bunch of crackheads back in the 17th century

Jun-07-23		fredthebear: Crack the street drug emerged in the 1980s. Just say NO! This game was an artful queen sacrifice for Fool's Mate (a one-piece mate from the flank). Surely mankind has had fools as long as people have been playing chaturanga. This game may have been concocted by Greco for instructional purposes, as was the case with so many in his manuscript.

Jul-05-23		Ziryab: At least one of Greco’s manuscripts states, “composed by Gioachino Greco” on the title page.

Sep-23-23		FSR: <generror> 3...f5 is conclusively refuted. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen%...

Feb-14-25		nnjuguna: no one plays 3. f5! these days sad

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