| Mar-04-04 | | perplex: 26 Ne2 shows a solution style of Tal since I think it tries to trap Black's Rook on e6. A positional player may find other solution for this situation, I guess. |
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| Mar-04-04 | | perplex: It is hard to know why Tal won here. What Tal had grasped, and did never yield to Petrosian? I want to know it, since a victory in GM battle does not come out of blue. It seems that Tal again employed his acrobatics of pieces to tangle Petrosian's pieces... |
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| Oct-22-04 | | Knight13: Can Black do anything eles than 37... Re6?! ? This move is just like a blunder. |
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| Feb-04-07 | | Fast Gun: After 13 years and 23 games, Tal scores only his second win against Petrosian, bearing in mind that these were probably Tal's best playing years at the height of his powers: |
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Apr-29-07
 | | penarol: <Fast Gun> Tal´s best playing years were 1958-60. After that he had several bursts of great chess, never lasting more than 1 year or so, due to his poor health.
During the period of 13 years you mention (1954-67), Petrosian beat Tal 4 times, 2 of them in the 1962 Curaçao Candidates Tournament where Tal was seriously ill and lost almost everything. Also, 1962 to 1967 (or 68) was the time when Petrosian was at the peak of his powers. |
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| Apr-30-08 | | InspiredByMorphy: Im not sure I understand the consequences of 26. ...Nxe4 |
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| May-27-08 | | nimh: [Event "Moscow"]
[Site "It"]
[Date "1967.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mikhail Tal"]
[Black "Petrosian"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C96"]
[Annotator "Rybka 2.3.1 mp 32-bit "]
[PlyCount "75"]
[EventDate "1967.??.??"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3
d6 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Nc6 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bb7 14. Nf1 Re8 15.
Ng3 g6 16. Bh6 Bf8 17. Qd2 Nxd4 -0.25/20 18. Nxd4 -0.26/20 (♖ybka 2.3.1 mp 32-bit : 18. Nxd4 Bxh6 19. Qxh6 exd4 20. Rad1 Rc8 21. Re2 Rc4 22.b3 Rc5 23. Rxd4 Qc7 24. Bd3 Qe7 -0.25/20) 18... Bxh6 -0.30/20 19. Qxh6 exd4 20. Rad1 Rc8 last book move 21. Bb1 -0.34/20 Re6 -0.27/20 22. Rxd4 -0.32/20 Qe7 -0.23/20 23. Qg5 -0.41/20 Rc5 -0.41/20 24. Qe3 -0.37/20 Rc4 -0.22/20 25. Rxc4 -0.32/20 bxc4 -0.28/20 26. Ne2 $17 -0.97/20 (♖ybka 2.3.1 mp 32-bit : 26. Qd4 d5 27. a3 dxe4 28. Ba2 Rd6 29. Qc5 Qe6 30. Bxc4 Rc6 31. Bxe6 Rxc5 32. Bb3 Kg7 $15 -0.28/20) 26... Qc7 $11 0.00/20
(♖ybka 2.3.1 mp 32-bit : 26... Bxe4 27. Nd4 Re5 28. f4 Nd5 29. Nc6 Nxe3 30. Nxe7+
Rxe7 31. Rxe3 f5 32. b3 cxb3 33. Rxb3 $17 -0.97/20) 27. Nd4 -0.05/20 Re5 0.00/20 28. Nf3 0.00/20 Rc5 0.10/20 29. Rc1 0.00/20 Qc6 0.00/20 30.
Nd4 -0.08/20 Qe8 0.00/20 31. Re1 -0.24/20 Re5 0.06/20 32. Nf3 0.00/20
Re6 0.00/20 33. Qb6 0.00/20 Bxe4 $16 0.93/20
(♖ybka 2.3.1 mp 32-bit : 33... Qe7 34. Qe3 Qe8 35. Qd4 $11 0.00/20) 34. Nd4 $11 0.20/20
(♖ybka 2.3.1 mp 32-bit : 34. Ng5 Bxb1 35. Nxe6 Bf5 36. Qd8 Bxe6 37. Qxf6 Qc6 38.Qd4 d5 39. Re2 a5 40. f3 a4 $16 0.93/20) 34... Nd5 $16 0.92/20
(♖ybka 2.3.1 mp 32-bit : 34... Re5 35. Qxd6 Kg7 36. Qc7 Re7 37. Qxc4 Bxb1 38.Rxb1 Re1+ 39. Rxe1 Qxe1+ 40. Qf1 Qd2 41. Nb3 $11 0.20/20) 35. Qxa6 0.95/20 Re7 0.93/20 36. Qc6 0.99/20 Nf6 0.97/20 37. Qxd6 0.95/20 Re6 $2 $18 5.44/20 (♖ybka 2.3.1 mp 32-bit : 37... Kg7 38. g3 Rd7 39. Qc5 Qa8 40. Bxe4
Nxe4 41. Qxc4 Ng5 42. Qc3 f6 43. Ne6+ Nxe6 44. Rxe6 $16 0.95/20) 38. Nxe6 5.45/20 1-0
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| May-29-08 | | InspiredByMorphy: <nimh> Thanks for running the engine. It seems as though one can safely conclude after viewing your analysis that 26. ...Qc7 was the turning point in the game in which white gained equality back. The advantage is slowly gained by white thereafter. As you point out 26. ...Bxe4 was the right continuation for black, refuting whites
26.Ne2 . Perhaps white overlooked 27. Nd4 Re5 28. f4 Nd5! The question now remains , what should white play instead of 26.Ne2? The safe continuation of 26.f3 looks alright. |
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| Jul-24-10 | | talisman: <penarol> yep, but they were good friends and drew a lot of games. |
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| Sep-12-12 | | Fanques Fair: 26- Ne2, Bxe4 , 27- Nd4 , Re5 , 28- f4 , Nd5 , 29 - Qf2 and now what black plays ? The e5 rook is attacked , and there is no intermediary move at Black's disposition ... |
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May-26-15
 | | perfidious: <Knight13: Can Black do anything eles than 37... Re6?! ? This move is just like a blunder.> Petrosian's flag was hanging when he played his last move. |
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| Jul-24-16 | | Eusebius: No chance for me to look through this game. |
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| Jul-24-16 | | ewan14: Petrosian at his peak
1959 - 1963 |
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Jul-24-16
 | | offramp: <ewan14: Petrosian at his peak
1959 - 1963>
Yes! And that period includes only the first 6 months of his 6 years as World Champion. |
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| Jul-24-16 | | ughaibu: Hey, Offramp, do you still get in a tizzy when a poster says "Petrosian in his prime. . . . "? |
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Jul-24-16
| | offramp: <ughaibu: Hey, Offramp, do you still get in a tizzy when a poster says "Petrosian in his prime. . . . "?> Yes I do.
My mind like a cinema camera trucks furiously forward to confront the offensive word close-up, with a glaring lens; with the eyes of a drill-Sergeant inspecting an awkward new recruit, I bulge with a wrath that is half-facetious, and I bawl out, with half-simulated incredulity: "PRIME, sonny?? Prime?? My poor brain conjures up an image of that heroic Armenian striding around the tournament hall with a huge red rosette sellotaped to his butt-ARKS reading, 'Guaranteed 99 & 44/100% PRIME'" [LAUGHTER FROM REST OF KIBITZERS]. |
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| Jul-24-16 | | ughaibu: Great, and more strength to your elbow. |
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| Jul-24-16 | | cunctatorg: Mikhail Tal had played really great chess for long periods of the seventies (and even the eighties!) also, then his style had become more balanced without abandoning any proper chance to put fire at the board...; Tal himself had said that working together with Karpov had influenced Tal himself positively. Perhaps those years represent Tal at the height of his powers and then his success at many strong tournaments had been legendary ... though he had just played one Candidates' match (at 1979) where he had been badly defeated by Lev Polugaevsky. |
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Jul-25-16
| | offramp: <cunctatorg: ...Tal himself had said that working together with Karpov had influenced Tal himself positively....> I think that Karpov learnt a bit from Tal as well. There was a definite energization of Karpov's play in the one year before Karpov - Korchnoi World Championship Rematch (1981). He learnt how to play with isolated pawns, eg in Karpov vs Timman, 1981, took on doubled pawns and gave away pieces in Karpov vs Geller, 1981, tried out hanging pawns and annihilated another venerable old Master in Karpov vs Smyslov, 1981. In the first game of the match with Kortschnoi, Karpov also had hanging pawns, Korchnoi vs Karpov, 1981, and Karpov played very powerfully and won. However, he did not need anything particularly flashy to win the match. 1979 to 1981 was another of the high points of Karpov's career, and in 1981 especially he played in a much more lively manner and I think Tal was an influence. Perhaps they played lots of blitz games together? |
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| Jul-25-16 | | Lt.Surena: For Petrosian haters aka. "Russian" Haters/racists:
1. T. Petrosian Gold medal winner table
one 1966 Havana Olympiad. With Bobby,
Portish, Larsen, etc present.
2. T. Petrosian Gold medal winner table
one 1968 Lugano Olympiad. With Bobby, Portish, Larsen, etc present. 3. T. Petrosian Winner of 1966 World Championship. vs. Spassky (who had defeated/crushed Keres, Tal and Geller in matches). 4. 1969 Soviet Champion. Better called
"World" Championship.
In addition:
He won first (or shared first) place:
San Antonio 1972
IBM Amsterdam 1973
Soviet World Champion 1975
Varese Interzonal Playoff 1976
Lone Pine 1976
Rio Interzonal 1979 |
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Jul-25-16
| | offramp: <Lt.Surena:...
4. 1969 Soviet Champion. Better called
"World" Championship.>
Can you explain that part? |
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| Jul-25-16 | | cunctatorg: I think that Bobby Fischer had said that Petrosian was the top player of the sixties or that he had played the best chess among all people back then, however I remember neither the source nor Bobby's exact words. Many a chess enthusiasts might think I am out of my mind because I believe ... that Fischer was a Petrosian sympathizer!!... Well, Fischer had accused Petrosian whenever fitted, he had crushed Petrosian at 1971 but he expressed very positives opinions about Petrosian's chess creations in many cases! Petrosian of course was a player of greatest caliber but I think that Fischer was fond of Petrosian because he knew that Petrosian was also an orphan who had lived a very cruel childhood...; well, that's just a working (?!) hypothesis of mine... |
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Jul-25-16
 | | Sally Simpson: Botvinnik said Geller was the best player of the late 60's. Fischer (apparently) has Petrosian - let place him in the middle 60's. I think we can have Tal at the early 60's.
That is the 60's sorted out...onto the 70's. Fischer and Karpov. 80's and 90's Kasparov.
A New Century and take your pick. Kramnik, Anand, Topalov....Rybka mark VI ---
"...because he knew that Petrosian was also an orphan " Fischer did not become an orphan till he was 54. Would Fischer have known or even cared about Petrosian's upbringing? |
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