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Feb-03-05 | | Larsker: "Repeated" in Italian would be ripetto. I don't think that you from his name can deduce that he liked to double his rooks. |
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Feb-03-05 | | kevin86: A humorous aside: Repetto sounds like repeat and Saemisch sounds like same-ish.Could we expect a draw by repetition of position from these two? (lol) I answered this one! I noticed the mate after 18...♖xe6 19 ♕xg6+ and mate next--in addition to the text. |
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Feb-03-05 | | kevin86: Funny,it did happen-check the 37 mover between these two!! |
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Feb-03-05 | | Willem Wallekers: kevin86, you mean this one,
Carlos Torre vs Samisch, 1925 |
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Feb-03-05 | | SouCapi: <patzer2> <Honza Cervenka> After 17...gxh4 18.♕xh6 f5 it looks interesting 19.♖e6. For instance 19...♘e6 20.♕xe6+ ♖f7 21.♘xd6 ♗xd6 22.♗xd6 with 3♙ for a ♖. Now if 22...♕d7 23.♗xf5 looks great for white. Maybe 22...♕c6 threatening 23...♖e8 or ♘f4 is better. I'm at work now so I cannot check with a board whether 19.♖e6 is a blunder or not. Anyone? |
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Feb-03-05 | | darook: <Catfriend> 18.Nxd6 does help actually (18.Rxe6 is better/quicker).
18.♘xd6 ♗xd6 19. ♖xe6 fxe6 20.♕g6+ ♔h8 21. ♗xd6 and White has a won game.
19... ♘xe6 doesn't help Black either since 20.♘f5+ is decisive. |
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Feb-03-05 | | patzer2: <SouCapi> 17...gxh4 18. Qxh6 f5 19. Re6?! may not be a blunder, but it is not as good as going ahead and taking the draw by reptition with Queen checks. Black is better after 17...gxh4 18.Qxh6 f5 19.Rxe6 Nxe6 20.Qxe6+ Rf7 21.Bxd6 (21.Nxd6 Bxd6 22.Bxd6 Nf4! 23.Bxf4 Qxf4–+) 21...Bxd6 22.Nxd6 Nf4 23.Qxf7+ Qxf7 24.Nxf7 Kxf7 25.Bxf5–+ Without a board at work though, you did
pretty good. However, you seem to have overlooked 22. Bxd6 Nf4! -- a neat defensive Knight Fork which Fritz 8 found. |
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Feb-03-05 | | ice lemon tea: 16...g5? what a blunder! i don't see any importance for black to do such move. |
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Feb-03-05 | | DP12: I saw Rxe6 only after 45 seconds (way too long). But that was probably because I was distracted by the following line 18.Nf5+!? exf5 19.Rxe7 Nxe7(Qxe7 Nxd6 and white takes on f5) 20.Nxd6 then white is threatening to attack the queen but 20... f4! is good |
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Feb-04-05 | | SouCapi: <patzer2> Yep, 22...♘f4 is pretty strong. Thanks again for checking my lines. |
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Oct-28-06 | | syracrophy: 16. Nh4 <Bogoljubow wrote the following commentaries: "White has posted a curious trap with the move 16.♘h4. If now, 16...♗xh4 17.♗xh4 ♘f4, and Torre would have continued with 18.♕g4!! ♘xd3 19.♗f6 g5<If 19...g6 then 20.♕h4 ♔h7 21.♘e3! > 20.♕h5 ♔h7 21.♗xg5 f6 and will all security, Torre would have found here the winning way>16...g5 17. Qh5 <One of the longest and hardest combinations Torre has ever made. To show how complicated it is, it's enough by looking at the variation: 17...gxh4 18.♕xh6 f5<Not 18...♘f5? 19.♗xh4> 19.♕g6+ ♔h8 20.♘e5!!<the clue of all the sequence> 20...hxg3 21.♖e4! <The threat is 22.♖g4> 21...fxe4 22.♗xe4 ♘f6 23.♕h6+ ♔g8 24.♕g5+ ♔h8 25.♘g6+ ♔g7 26.♘f4+ ♔h8 and white force a mate in three, starting with 27.♘h5!> 17...Kg7 18. Rxe6!! <The smashing shot to weaken the light squares around the ♔>18...Nxe6 <18...fxe6 19.♕g6+ ♔h8 20.♕h7#> 19. Nf5+ Kg8 20. Nxh6+ 1-0 |
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Oct-28-06 | | syracrophy: Analysis from the book: "The Life and Games of Carlos Torre" by Gabriel Velasco: 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. Bg5 c5 4. e3 Nc6 <Sharper is 4...♕b6, for example: 5.♘bd2 ♕xb2 6.♗d3 d5 7.c4! ♕c3 8.♘e5!. By other side, a more secure continuation is 4...♗e7, as in the game Carlos Torre vs Lasker, 1925;5. Nbd2 b6 6. c3 Bb7 7. Bd3 cxd4 8. exd4 Be7 9. Nc4 Qc7 10. Qd2 Rc8 11. O-O h6 12. Bf4 d6 13. Rfe1 Nd8 14. Qd1! Nd5 15. Bg3 O-O |
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Feb-11-08 | | apple pi: terrific pun! |
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Feb-11-08 | | apple pi: haha too bad saemisch is german! |
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Feb-11-08
 | | WannaBe: Okay, why is this about an ex-Yankees manager, and current Dodgers manager?!?!?! Don't get it.... =) |
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Feb-11-08 | | newzild: I reckon a better pun would have been "Club Samisch". |
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Feb-11-08
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Feb-11-08 | | chessamateur: I'm going to take a stab. I'm guessing the pun is after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, "Tora, Tora, Tora". |
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Feb-11-08 | | Jim Bartle: Phony Benon: Great note on the triple "Torre." Outstanding. |
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Feb-11-08 | | whiteshark: <syracrophy> Bogoljubow' commentary <One of the longest and hardest combinations Torre has ever made. To show how complicated it is, it's enough by looking at the variation: 17...gxh4 18.Qxh6 f5<Not 18...Nf5? 19.Bxh4> 19.Qg6+ Kh8 20.Ne5!!<the clue of all the sequence>>
is faulty, because of <20...Bf6! >
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Feb-11-08
 | | keypusher: <I'm going to take a stab. I'm guessing the pun is after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, "Tora, Tora, Tora".> <peer gynt> is going to be mortally offended by this one. |
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Feb-11-08 | | kevin86: As usual,in these quick games,the winner's pieces are poised to attack while the loser's are just sitting there. Funny that Joe Torre is managing the Dodgers-it's like an ex-pope becoming the Archbishop of Canterbury! |
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Feb-11-08 | | Shams: <keypusher> <peer gynt> is going to be mortally offended by this one.> let's tell him the actual reference is to that horrid boy-band R&B troupe from the late 80s, "Tony Toni Tone". That oughta defuse things. |
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Feb-11-08 | | Jim Bartle: "Funny that Joe Torre is managing the Dodgers-it's like an ex-pope becoming the Archbishop of Canterbury!" I think my baseball brain will go off-line the first time I see him in "Dodger Blue." I wonder how he'll do now that he can't write "Derek Jeter SS" on the card every day. |
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Feb-11-08 | | Bobwhoosta: I thought it was "Torro Torro Torro", like the matador speaking to the bull. |
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