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Eleazar Jimenez Zerquera vs Raymond Keene
"All in a Day's Pirc" (game of the day May-25-2006)
Capablanca Memorial-B (1974), Camaguey CUB, rd 9, Mar-??
Modern Defense: Standard Defense (B06)  ·  0-1

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Jun-14-05  nikolaas: Yes, *I* Know.
Jun-14-05
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  TheAlchemist: <nikolaas> I knew that :), I just didn't know ho to adress that post to :P
Jun-21-05
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  LIFE Master AJ: <aw750>
"For the love of god, stop sniping."

.... good advice - how about you start following it?

May-25-06
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  offramp: I'd like to share with you a revelation I had.

Every kibitzer on this site instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the other kibitzers, but some posters do not. They move to a game-page, and kvetch, and kvetch, until every other poster gives up and leaves. The only way they can survive is to move to another page. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. A virus....

May-25-06  Ger7ry: I'm sure someone will correct me here, but it's my understanding that the c at the end of Pirc is pronounced ts, which means Pirc doesn't rhyme with work, which takes a bit off the "All in a day's Pirc" pun.

Maybe "Jimenez big ideas" would be better. Maybe not.

May-25-06  Confuse: haha the earlier posts here made by <LIFE Master AJ> and <aw1988> are quite humorous. be sure to check it out,

confuse

the game itself is quite interesting too. its always nice to see analysis with positional games, they really help out. thanks mr keene. the rooks here are very sad at the end.

May-25-06
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  chessgames.com: I believe that Pirc is prounced "peerts" but we never let details like that get in the way of a good pun.
May-25-06  itz2000: it's funny that Keene doesn't say what he did wrong! he only mention what the other play wrong... so did he play perfectly? I don't think so.
May-25-06  Cryptic: <itz2000> perhaps; but annotations by rated players are always insightful.

Notes from the actual players are even better. Thanks Ray! _

May-25-06  EmperorAtahualpa: I guess "All in a day's perk" is some kind of English expression? I'm not familiar with it, can someone explain, please? Thanks.
May-25-06
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  offramp: The phrase is 'All in a day's work.'
May-25-06
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  ray keene: <itz2000> er---i dont think i did anything wrong--there is a difference between playing perfect chess in a fearsomely complicated game like kasparov v karpov 16 wcc 1986 and playing perfect chess against an opponent who keeps making positional errors which are relatively easy to exploit.as in this game. what elevates this game out of the ordinary is blacks ---qb2 instead of taking the queen near the end.
May-25-06  EmperorAtahualpa: <Ray Keene> In your notes, after 23...Rb8, you write "Black prepares the traditional minority attack on the queenside."

Could you please explain what you mean by this? Is a minority attack normal in a Pirc defense-game?

Many thanks in advance.

May-25-06  dakgootje: < I believe that Pirc is prounced "peerts"> Why is that??? Always thought it was just pronounced...perk or something... I can understand if it was originally Pirc in an other language and that there it is an other way pronounced, but i mean like, the c and ts-sounds are VERY differant imho
May-25-06  EmperorAtahualpa: <Ray Keene> And a second question, just out of curiosity:

From which point did you see the forking move 35...Qb2?

I hope you remember!

May-25-06  EmperorAtahualpa: << I believe that Pirc is prounced "peerts"> Why is that???>

<dakgootje> Because these Yugoslavs can't pronounce "Perk" straight.

May-25-06
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  TheAlchemist: <I believe that Pirc is prounced "peerts">

I already confirmed that on Pirc's page and I don't know why anybody would find this strange. The "problem" is that Western and most of the Central European countries use the same Latin characters, but pronounce them very differently. We pronounce "c" as "ts", someone else as "k".

May-25-06  itz2000: <ray> didn't know you're alive and annotes here in the site :S

<emperror> I think because it was sort of an openning that got into a Scillian somehow, the traditional queen side attack is ment to scillian queen side attack where (a6[najdorf], b5, Bd7 or Be7, or Be6 & Rac8) withing getting the a and b pawns up.

I think it was better this way : 18. Qxc5, Rxc5
and white is okay...

May-25-06  themadhair: <EA><Could you please explain what you mean by this? Is a minority attack normal in a Pirc defense-game?>Normally it is white who executes the minority attack. It is simply when a small pawn island attacks a much larger pawn island in order to create a weakness.

Consider (Kotov vs Pachman, 1950). In this game the minority attack is started on the queenside from move 12 to 16. The entire result of the attack was to create that one weak backward c-pawn for black. Very strong but very tedious.

May-25-06  dakgootje: <EmperorAtahualpa><TheAlchemist> Okay thanks, it just seems strange from my point of view, however i can imagine that people in Central European countries find our pronounciation strange too. Ah well, this way you learn things, even when you havent got school =)
May-25-06
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  TheAlchemist: <dakgootje> No problem, actually this is the second time I had to be a killjoy:

Ivkov vs Puc, 1955

:-)

May-25-06  Castle In The Sky: <GM Keene> This looks more to me like a Kings Indian Samisch Variation than a Pirc, what is your opinion? Great game.
May-25-06
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  ray keene: if white trades queens on move 18 i believe he is lost-too many pawn islands

i saw --qb2 after white played a4 i seem to recall-i was surprised by a4 but then realised it contained a huge tactical hole for white

minority attack has already been explained very well here

re pronunciation gligoric is pronounced gligorich-lodz where rubinstein played-is pronounced wouch- pirc is pronounced peerts-and so it goes

May-25-06  barryhk: on 35 Kh1, isn't the threat 35...Rh2
not Rf2, which is not a check?
barryhk
May-25-06
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  ray keene: 35 kh1 just loses the r on a4-are you sure you meant this?? <barryhk>
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