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Anatoly Karpov vs Ulf Andersson
"So You Think You Can Dance" (game of the day Apr-23-2009)
Milan (1975), Milan ITA, rd 8, Aug-28
Sicilian Defense: Paulsen Variation. Modern Line (B44)  ·  0-1

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Aug-05-15  offramp:


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« La position blanche est désespérée mais la lutte continue. Si les noirs avaient essayé 76...Bf3 dans cette position, alors après 77.Re8+ Kh7 78.Qd3+ g6 79.d7 Bxe2? cela aurait amené une inattendue lueur d’espoir. 80.Rh8+ Kxh8 81.d7-d8=Q+ h7 82.Qxg6+!! Kxg6 (82...fxg6 avec un échec perpétuel.) 83.Qg5+! Kh7 Prendre la reine c’est pat! 84.Qf5+ Kg7 85.Qg5+ avec échec perpétuel. » Karpov

We have mentioned this before but I thought it would be good to have it from the horse's mouth.

Thanks to EE: http://www.europe-echecs.com/art/mi...

Jun-19-16  Albion 1959: Karpov's first loss after becoming the World Champion. And Andersson's only win in 45 attempts against Karpov. This game does show hard it was to beat Karpov at this stage of his career. Would Fischer have beaten him so easily (or even at all) as some of the comments on this site have suggested ?
Jul-31-16  SimplicityRichard: <Albion 1959: Would Fischer have beaten him (Karpov) so easily (or even at all?)...>

In my view, I think Fischer would have beaten Karpov in 1975; albeit not easily at all. It would have been a close match. And let us remember that in this particular game, Andersson adopts a strategical plan devised by Fischer in order to beat Karpov after 45 unsuccessful attempts as you say. Andersson only succeeds after employing this "Fischer Plan", and Karpov is defeated.#

Aug-01-16  Petrosianic: <In my view, I think Fischer would have beaten Karpov in 1975;>

But the opinion doesn't mean anything because there are no samples of Fischer's play in 1975 to base it on,. What you probably mean is that the Fischer of 1972 would have beaten the Karpov of 1975, which could never have been played in any case.

Aug-01-16
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  diceman: <Petrosianic: <In my view, I think Fischer would have beaten Karpov in 1975;>

But the opinion doesn't mean anything because there are no samples of Fischer's play in 1975 to base it on,>

Doesn't mean anything to Fischer hater Petrosianic.

Aug-01-16
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  perfidious: <newzild: <Pal Benko said to Bobby..."take my place man you gotta do it.">

I've always resented Benko for that. It gave Bobby the chance to stop playing chess at his peak.>

Why, though?

Do you believe Fischer would have carried on playing longer if he had not participated in the 1969-72 cycle, or are you put out that he got to the top of the heap?

Aug-02-16  Howard: Now, why would anyone "resent" Benko for what he did? Just how the hell was he or anyone else to know that Fischer would quit chess after becoming world champion ? It wasn't Benko's fault!
Jul-07-17  offramp: If I ever do a list of the greatest chess games of all time, this brilliant game will be on it. Jon Speelman annotated it a few times, and it is through him that I first read about it. It has a balance between attack and defence, tipped at the last moment.
Jul-07-17  ughaibu: SimplicityRichard: it wasn't after forty-five unsuccessful attempts, this was his fifth of a total of forty-two attempts. Twelve losses, one win and twenty-nine draws.

So, if he carried on using Fischer's strategies, what should we conclude? And if he stopped using Fischer's strategies, what should we conclude?

Jul-07-17  Petrosianic: <Howard>: <Now, why would anyone "resent" Benko for what he did? Just how the hell was he or anyone else to know that Fischer would quit chess after becoming world champion ? It wasn't Benko's fault!>

There used to be a story that Benko had been paid to give up his seat. Benko rebutted it in his column, however. He did receive money, but it was for acting as second to Addison and Reshevsky in the Interzonal, and was the same money he'd have gotten if he'd played himself. In short, Benko gave up his seat, not his fee, which no one can blame him for.

Jul-07-17  offramp: <SimplicityRichard: I think Fischer would have beaten Karpov in 1975.>

Discussions about the Karpov - Fischer World Championship Match (1975) are like The Undertaker in WWE.

You never know where or when or how or <WHY> they will suddenly turn up.

Jul-07-17  Petrosianic: <offramp>: <You never know where or when or how or <WHY> they will suddenly turn up.>

Yeah you do. Basically ANY time one of his rivals does something good, particularly something good that he didn't do, you can count on Fanboy Panic setting in.

Jul-07-17
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  ChessHigherCat: Isn't 54. Bh3 (threatening Rf1#) much stronger than the game move Qc8? White's only defense to prevent checkmate or losing the queen is 54...Re4 55. Rf1+ Ke3 56. Qh8 and white is threatening to play Qh2+ and then take the black queen, which is en prise. What am I missing (other than a few extra inches of cerebral cortex)?
Jul-07-17
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: <CHC>--Well, it looks like you have reversed the colors and the orientation of the board, unless I am even more out of it than you seem to be, which is entirely possible. I think you mean the line 54..Bh3 55 Re4 Rf1+ 56 Ke3 Qa8. This indeed does look bad for white, but maybe he could play 55 Qe4 instead, after which 55..Rf1+ 56 Ke3 doesn't look immediately lost for white. What Andersson played won the game for him anyway, so maybe I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
Jul-08-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <Gregor Samsa Mendel: <CHC>--Well, it looks like you have reversed the colors and the orientation of the board..., I think you mean the line 54..Bh3 55 Re4 Rf1+ 56 Ke3 Qa8.>

Come now, I only made one mistake in annotation: Qh8 instead of Qa8 :-)

< This indeed does look bad for white, but maybe he could play 55 Qe4 instead, after which 55..Rf1+ 56 Ke3 doesn't look immediately lost for white.>

Qe4 is much better than Re4 -- thanks, I missed that.

Jul-08-17  offramp: A strange exchange:

<1 2 3 4: andersson most boring player ever born

8284: <1234> You think?>

Nov-17-17  amateur05: A predecessor of Karpov vs Kasparov, 1985
Aug-31-19  cunctatorg: Ulf Andersson was able to go after Anatoly Karpov's game just because he didn't play like Andersson here!!

An exchange sacrifice with the compensation to undermine King's position and all that while Black had to restrain White's pawn center!!...

A pity that Andersson wasn't quite often in this mood or in the need to test himself against such a chess King!! Anatoly Karpov was able to motivate some (only a few...) of his great opponents for good!

Mar-02-20
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  Jonathan Sarfati: See also this victory by his countrywoman Pia Cramling over the formidable Hou Yifan Yifan Hou vs P Cramling, 2012
Mar-02-20  ewan14: Hedgehogs and underdeveloping rule
Mar-03-20  JohnBoy: <Andersson adopts a strategical plan devised by Fischer in order to beat Karpov> - huh? What does RJF have to do with this?
Mar-03-20
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  diceman: <JohnBoy:

<Andersson adopts a strategical plan devised by Fischer in order to beat Karpov>

- huh? What does RJF have to do with this?>

Probably playing d5 vs a Maroczy Bind.

Lombardy vs Fischer, 1960

Jun-30-21  RookFile: No, the reference is to the Hedgehog defense that Andersson played. Today, it's played all the time, but it was Fischer playing this system (with the white pieces) against Andersson himself that made the system take off in popularity.

Fischer vs Andersson, 1970

I don't know why the system was preferred in use with the black pieces rather than white, but that's how it turned out.

Oct-11-22
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  Fusilli: <cunctatorg: Ulf Andersson was able to go after Anatoly Karpov's game just because he didn't play like Andersson here!!

An exchange sacrifice with the compensation to undermine King's position and all that while Black had to restrain White's pawn center!!...>

I think he did play like Andersson. The hedgehog suited him well, he patiently worked for the thematic break d5, and the sac is a positional sac for great piece play and long-term initiative. After the sac, black was the only one creating problems through the end of the game.

Here's another famous positional exchange sac by Andersson: Kasparov vs Andersson, 1981

And:

Van der Wiel vs Andersson, 1982 Andersson vs B Jansson, 1971 A Medina Garcia vs Andersson, 1974 Andersson vs Larsen, 1983

Oct-11-22
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  boz: Karpov's legendary ability to survive awkward positions could not save him here. Had to be very satisfying for Andersson.
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