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Mar-11-07 | | sneaky pete: <beatgiant> Thank you, that's a nice trick. I had a slight suspicion there might be something I overlooked. In your line, after 17... exf5 18.Qxc4 Nc6 the win may still be hard work, but I guess white's advantage should be sufficient. On another page <calli> gives a link to Edward Winter's research of this game's origin and authenticity. Alekhine published his idea 12... 0-0 13.Qg4 g6 14.e5! .. threat Nf5 .. in December 1941 in the Deutsche Schachblätter,see http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/.... His suggested best defence is 14... Re8 (another way of making room for the king) and his analysis continues 15.Qg5(??) Qc5(??; why not .. Qxd4 attacking Ra1 and after 16.Rc1 Nd7) 16.Nb5! Nd7 17.Re1(?) .. with a winning position. 17.Re1 .. may be a printing error, 17.Rc1 .. winning the exchange must be meant. If instead of 15.Qg5 .. white plays 15.Qf4 .. everything is okay. |
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Mar-11-07 | | Calli: Another fake from Alekhine. I have a collection (of course!) Game Collection: Meine Besten Gefälschten Partien |
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Mar-11-07
 | | keypusher: <Calli> Very funny, but a little sad. Alekhine played so many beautiful real games; why did he have to make so many up? |
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Mar-11-07 | | setebos: Low self esteem!!! (my guess:) |
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Mar-30-07 | | WarmasterKron: <keypusher> Though they are made up, Alekhine's fake games are generally fascinating, so I don't blame him for wanting to share his analysis in such a fashion. He could have at least had the decency to 'play' them against NN, though. |
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Mar-31-07
 | | roberts partner: Contrary to the recent posts, there is absolutely no evidence that Alekhine personally faked this game, and serious evidence that he did not. He had several opportunities to publish the game to his political advantage during his lifetime, but the Q sac's first known attribution to Alekhine v Munoz only occurs in the 1970s. There is a full discussion in the recent Edward Winter Chess Mysteries article on Chessbase. |
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Mar-31-07
 | | Gypsy: <Calli> I am curious why Alekhine vs Nenarokov, 1907
is not yet in your collection AAA apocryphical games? |
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Jul-21-11
 | | chancho: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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Apr-10-13 | | rahulbcp1: If black had not castled do it still have chance to win?? |
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Apr-23-17 | | Strelets: Thanks to Edward Winter we now know a little more about this oddity. The article <chancho> posted above mentions that Alekhine had published a consultation game in the December 1941 issue of Deutsche Schachblätter in which the first twelve moves until Black deviated by castling were identical to this game and then there's this note: "Now threatening the deadly 13.Rc1 and on 12...O-O, White would play 13.Qg4 g6 14.e5! (threatening Nf5) Re8 15.Qg5 Qc5 16.Nb5! Nd7 17.Rc1 et cetera, achieving a winning position." Winter mentions that this game (without any mention of the 12...O-O variation) was also published in the February 1942 issue of Ajedrez Español. Furthermore, there are photographs of the Alekhine-Muñoz game in progress during the tournament. It was a French, not a Queen's Gambit. Alekhine's final book, ¡Legado!, gives the crosstable from Sabadell, but doesn't give any games. We know that he won the tournament with a score of +6-0=3, but we also know that four of his nine games from the event are missing. He won as White in two of those lost games, against Ros and Pérez. Unless those scores surface, it'll still be impossible beyond a reasonable doubt to say that this game was even played. |
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Apr-24-17
 | | FSR: 15.Nf5! Qxg4 (if 15...exf5, 16.Qxc4 wins) 16.Nh6# |
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Apr-24-17
 | | FSR: <meloncio> will probably never see this, since he hasn't been on the site since 2014, but to answer his question: <Alekhine was free to travel, but no exit visa was given to Grace. He was effectively exiled to Portugal while Grace elected to remain in France to monitor the welfare of her various properties at the mercy of the invaders. She even found time to compete in the Paris Championship of 1944 when she became the Ladies Champion.> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace... |
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Apr-24-17 | | ChessHigherCat: Right, 15. Nf5. It took me about 30 seconds to see because I was distracted first by 15. NxN as a cheapo trap, QxQ Ne7# but black plays 16. QxN with nyatink gained.
This is a big step up from the usual Monday, I bet this will be a tough week. |
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Apr-24-17 | | lost in space: I saw that 15. Nf5! wins, but much more interesting was why 15. Qg5 not 15. Qg5? Nxd4 16. Qh6
(16. h3 Ne2+ 17. Qf4+ and it is black to win)
16...Ne2+ 17. Kf1 Ng3+ 18. Kg1 Qf1+ 19. Rxf1 Ne2#  click for larger view |
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Apr-24-17 | | aporia: 15. Nxc6 also wins, right?
If 15. ... QxQ, then 16. Ne7++
If 15. ... bxc6, then 16. QxQ
If 15. ... Qxc6, then the black Queen cannot get back in the game to stop Q-g5, h6, g7++ It didn't strike me as "very easy," though. |
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Apr-24-17 | | Walter Glattke: After 15.Nxc6 Qxc6 black one move too slow for Rd8/Qe8/Qf8. |
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Apr-24-17 | | lost in space: Yes, also 15. Nxc6 wins |
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Apr-24-17 | | jith1207: Royal checkmate! |
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Apr-24-17 | | saturn2: Nf5 wins the queen |
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Apr-24-17 | | stst: N-sac..
15.Nf5 will make Black very uncomfortable...
(A).......QxQ, 16.Nh6 fork and mate.
(B).......exN, 16.QxQ ... rest easy
(C).......Qc1+ meaningless, 16.RxQ... |
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Apr-24-17 | | diagonalley: <aporia> ... agreed... i went that way too! |
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Apr-24-17 | | agb2002: White is one pawn down.
Black threatens Qxd4.
The black queen is defenseless and Nh6 would be mate. Therefore, 15.Nf5: A) 15... Qxg4 16.Nh6#.
B) 15... Nxe5 16.Ne7(h6)#.
C) 15... exf5 16.Qxc4 + - [Q vs n]. |
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Apr-24-17 | | AlicesKnight: Moving the N to threaten mate and attack the Black Q is the answer; 15.Nf5. The position after move 8 is quoted anonymously in Abrahams' "Chess Mind" - it's unclear if he saw it as a game or an analysis. |
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Apr-24-17 | | leRevenant: I close ranks with APORIA & DIAGONALLEY. |
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Apr-24-17 | | cocker: FRITZ prefers 15 Nxc6 |
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