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Ding Liren vs Ian Nepomniachtchi
Nepomniachtchi - Ding World Championship Match (2023), Astana, Kazakhstan, rd 6, Apr-16
Formation: Queen Pawn Game: London System (D02)  ·  1-0

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Apr-16-23  fisayo123: 41. d5!! sensational
Apr-16-23  fabelhaft: The nice finish is 41. Rb7 a2 42. Rb8 a1Q 43. Rxf8+ Kh7 44. Qg6+ Bxg6 45. hxg6#
Apr-16-23
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Stone,

Good Spot with the Knight tour - I might nick that for Tuesday's intro. The Ding finish was a treat for the viewers, showed he was in control and thoroughly enjoying himself.

Hi Teyss,

I think it's probably because I (and no doubt many others here) can understand and predict what was going on in most of the games so far.

My worry now is Ding has spotted a way to go - no risks, look for positions that encourage Nepo's impetuous play and Kramnik advising his man to rein himself in, settle down and get the job done.

Still hard to predict who is going to win this and TBH I don't mind either way.

Quite funny how my intro (which I cobbled together last night) featured the very pattern that Ding used. Obviously an omen. I'm going to use Ding and Nepo's D.O.B.and age to put together my next set of lottery numbers.10, 24, 30, and 7, 14,32.

Apr-16-23  Cassandro: <Sally Simpso: Lottery numbers>

Note also that an anagram for Nepo Ding is d opening, which, of course, is what was played.

Apr-16-23
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  Check It Out: One possible finish from the final position:
44...Bxg6 45. hxg6+ Kh8 46. Qxg8+ Kxg8 47. Ra8#


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Apr-16-23
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  perfidious: All while that a-pawn is poised to cross the finish line and enter Valhalla....the bereft black monarch got an express trip to perdition.
Apr-16-23  csmath: Amazingly good game on the part of Ding. WCC style no doubt. This is turning into a great slugging match.
Apr-16-23  fabelhaft: It would have been a pretty finish if the 41. Rb7 line would have been played to the finish, can’t be many two queens down pawn mates in title matches


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Apr-16-23
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  perfidious: For all the errors, this has been a slugfest and a treat to watch; completely agree with <csmath>.
Apr-16-23  whiteshark: Grandmasters Fabiano Caruana and Cristian Chiril analyse this game in depth in their "C-Squared Podcast": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKF... (~ 1h:13m:30s)

ENJOY!

Apr-16-23
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  saffuna: At least I can a little better about not seeing anything. Giri and Howell couldn't figure out the mate after 41. d5 either.
Apr-16-23
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  Check It Out: <fabelhaft> That is pretty, but whats the line? SF is giving the pedantic line 41.Rb7 Qg5 42.Qxg5 hxg5 43.Rxb1 Kh7 44.d5 Kh6 45.Ra1


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Apr-16-23  fabelhaft: <That is pretty, but whats the line?>

41. Rb7 a2 42. Rb8 a1Q 43. Rxf8+ Kh7 44. Qg6+ Bxg6 45. hxg6#

Apr-16-23
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  Richard Taylor: Dubov I think he is called and Irina Krush do a v.g. commentary (as someone said recently) and Dubov explained the concepts of Liren's opening and new ways of playing and the method. Secure the Queen side does Carlsen (the joke was it was a rapid game against the long retired -- but great -- Kramnik) but still, it was an impressive example of WHY Carlsen is so good. I had no idea of this London system, I've tried and tried to play against it.

My first thing was to "invent" as system, playing a kind of K.I. system and getting e5 in, and that worked, but I soon found that my "invention" was, in various more "accurate" forms, already played by GMs etc. After a while the openings seemed to be known by everyone but me.

One idea or way for a weaker player is to play unusual openings and for a short while I found that a) meant I thought about the positions in new and more "inspired" ways and b) my opponents were often put out.

One game online I played 1. e4 c6 2. Nc3...there was a pause, a message came that 'your opponent has left the game' [to study the two knights var and the best plan, he or she found it]

I was itching to push the claim win after some time but he she or it started playing again and (had researched and?) found the best line....Such is life. I had some great traps ready...

Apr-16-23
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  Richard Taylor: <offramp: This is a position I was thinking about earlier. >

Kasparov vs Karpov, 1986

Karpov actually, in writing a book about the QP openings (his part of a series I think) he gives this game showing how Kasparov played a variation that led to it. Some players wouldn't show a game they lost as an example but he did.

Apr-17-23  thegoodanarchist: London Calling!!!!!!!
Apr-17-23  Atking: Great game! And an aesthetic mate to end it. 45.QxR+ and Rforh8#
Apr-17-23  whiteshark: 1st London Sys in a WC-Match
Apr-17-23  Ulhumbrus: The London system can become a Queen's gambit exchange variation reversed.

This suggests the question of how to handle a Queen's gambit exchange variation.

One example of an answer is that both sides have chances, both sides have their own prospects for attack and it is the player who has the greater knowledge and skill (and so who can, for example, employ resources that are less obvious than the resources which the opponent can employ) who will get the better of it.

Apr-17-23  metatron2: Great match.. The level is very high, but still leaves enough room for blunders and positional misevaluations, and that, in combination with the combative and dynamic style of both Nepo and Ding, results in this great entertaining match.

If for example Ding was vs Carlsen, and played the London against him, most probably Carlsen would not have allowed that dark squares domination. He would have neutralize Ding's activity and would have got an easy draw.

Then everybody would have said that Ding tried the boring London that doesn't give white anything, out of desperation, and just wasted another white game. But vs Nepo we see that London is far from boring, and we got this highly interesting game, both positionally and tactically, that Ding ended with a touch of genius.

So Carlsen actually did the chess world a favor by withdrawing from the WC matches

Apr-17-23  TheaN: Have to admit I'm enjoying this a lot more than I did the last few WC matches. Perfect chess leads to a draw, and that's kind of what Magnus' been excelling at in these matches, meaning challengers have to take risks which also doesn't work. It wins championships, but gives very stale chess.

In comparison, Ding and Nepo know there's a big chance here and don't shy away from complicating matters. I wasn't as interested beforehand, now I definitely am, especially after that brilliant end of game 6.

Apr-17-23
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  Sally Simpson: The game also swung a variation of the Caro Kann exchange. Not that I noticed. I play the advanced or that 3.Qf3 line.

Of course this cannot go on. Six sexy games. We have to remember them when the one or two dull games sneak in as the players catch their breath.

What may be making this so interesting is there is no challenger playing v a champ so no 'been there done that' syndrome and no pressure of losing the title which IMO is one reason amongst others why Nick the Norwegian walked off into the sunset.

FIDE could be considering reshuffling the candidates format and the title.

On the first day of the candidates the title is vacant. The top two play a match for the title 6 months later. The title match must remain. 'You know who' might be interested enough to return to the fold.

If so then the current champion and runner up in the previous title match DO NOT get an automatic seat in the candidates, which IMO was a valid request from the ex-champ when he suggest a format along these lines.

Apr-17-23
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  offramp: This is a great match, reminds me of Schlechter v Tarrasch match. Imagine: 2800 v 2800! They are right at the top, a few points away.

I think there will be 2 100-move games in games 7-14.
Apr-17-23  Cassandro: <Ulhumbrus: The London system can become a Queen's gambit exchange variation reversed. This suggests the question of how to handle a Queen's gambit exchange variation.>

Yes, but keep in mind that the QGD exchange variation reversed is actually the exchange variation of the Caro-Kann. Same thing.

Apr-17-23
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  beatgiant: <Cassandro> Also keep in mind that the idea, <the player who has the greater knowledge and skill... will get the better of it> is completely non-specific to the opening or even to chess itself.
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