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| Jul-18-08 | | Everett: <RookFile> I did not know that Larsen was considered so fearsome in the endgame. My sense, from all that's been said about him and various examples, is that he was ever one to look for a win when only a draw was to be had, even in the endgame. Of course, he also had a way to snatch a LOSS from the jaws of a draw as well, while seeking a win. Do you feel Larsen's peak runs from 64-70 then?
Thank you for your response! |
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| Jul-18-08 | | RookFile: Yes, I think Larsen's peak was in the late 60's - although he was still very strong in the 70's, just a notch down. Larsen and Tal were considered to be in same class of players whose play wasn't always 100 percent accurate, but very difficult to refute over the board. Larsen absolutely was fearsome in the endgame, and won a lot of open tournaments because of this fact. |
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| Jul-18-08 | | Some call me Tim: Larsen was a great player and was tournament dominant in the late 1960s (which led to his famous demand to play board 1 in the USSR-World match in 1970). He was never world-championship class and Fischer proved that rather convincingly, as had Soviet players through the '60s.
<Zorts> 12...Bd7 is indeed feasible but Fischer then intended Qc2 which now leaves Black's development disrupted and his Q blocked from protection of the d-pawn. Great positional technique. |
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| Jul-18-08 | | Petrosianic: <He was never world-championship class and Fischer proved that rather convincingly,> I agree with you, but I don't think Fischer proved he NEVER was, he only proved that he wasn't in 1971. Larsen's strongest time seems to have been in the late 60's, when he won 5 tournaments in a row. Chessmetrics shows his highest world rank as #3, which makes him a credible threat to win a world championship match, but kind of a dark horse. |
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| Jul-19-08 | | RookFile: I think that's a pretty accurate statement. Hey, Larsen did play Spassky head to head in the USSR vs. world match, and it was 1.5 to 1.5 before Spassky got a sudden 'illness' and couldn't play. However, whether he could have beaten Spassky in a 24 game match is another animal altogether, as Spassky was quite a chameleon in the way could could adapt to his opponent. |
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| Sep-04-08 | | Ulhumbrus: After 14...Be6 White's B on d3 ties Black's QR to the defence of the a6 pawn for the rest of the game. If Black plays a Rook down for the rest of the game, is it surprising that he loses? This auggests that the move ...a5 is necessary, perhaps before White fixes Black's a pawn on a6 by the move 18 b4. |
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| Jan-27-09 | | RandomVisitor: After 21...Bd7:
click for larger view <Rybka3>
<[+0.97] d=27 22.Nxd7+> Rxd7 23.Rc1 d4 24.Ra5 Nd5 25.b5 Nf4 26.Bf1 d3 27.Rxa6 Rb8 28.Ra4 Ne2+ 29.Bxe2 dxe2 30.Re1 Rd1 31.Kf2 Rxe1 32.Kxe1 Rxb5 33.Ra8+ Ke7 34.Kxe2 h5 35.h4 Rb2+ 36.Kf1 f6 37.a4 (58:02.42) [+0.95] d=26 22.a4 h5 23.a5 Bc8 24.Na4 Be6 25.Rc1 h4 26.Nc5 Bc8 27.Na4 (58:02.42) [+0.81] d=26 22.Rc1 Bb5 23.a4 Nd7 24.Rxd5 Nxc5 25.Rcxc5 Bxa4 26.Ra5 Be8 27.Kf2 Ke7 28.h4 g6 29.g4 Bd7 30.Bf1 Bc6 31.Rd4 Be8 32.Kg3 Kf8 (58:02.42) |
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| Feb-07-09 | | AnalyzeThis: <Ulhumbrus: After 14...Be6 White's B on d3 ties Black's QR to the defence of the a6 pawn for the rest of the game. If Black plays a Rook down for the rest of the game, is it surprising that he loses? This auggests that the move ...a5 is necessary, perhaps before White fixes Black's a pawn on a6 by the move 18 b4. > But when do you want to play it? If 14....a5 then 15. Nb6 Rb8 16. Nxc8 Rxc8 17. Bd2 with a huge advantage. |
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| Apr-24-09 | | Eyal: <Fischer had a fairly severe cold during the first half of this match. This was the first match I really followed, so I remember the details well.> <I don't remember reading that anywhere, and Chess Life & Review's article on the match doesn't mention it.> In his book on the 72 match, Gligoric says that during the first week of the match with Petrosian, Fischer - very uncharacteristically - didn't make any complaints; then he suddenly started to complain incessantly about everything: playing conditions, his hotel room, the food, etc. If true, this would seem to be a good indication that he was unwell during the first half of the match, and back in form in the second half:-) |
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Apr-24-09
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| May-05-09 | | BEDRICH: the kibitzers here are very strong.
I did find this play tedious, good positional, computerlike. |
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| May-29-09 | | totololo: I want to remind that Fischer was playing alone against a whole institutional chess system. The idea to let the isolani advance and block it with a bishop and pass to the 7 rank with the rooks is his.... At that time , I remember the surprise for everyone to see this simple effective plan at work ....And Nc5 has been played in a similar position - French Tarrasch if I remeber well - by young Petrosian... to develop an attack to the black king...Lesson learnt and applied... |
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| May-29-09 | | talisman: keypusher is right on both counts. |
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| May-29-09 | | AnalyzeThis: Well, Larsen was a stronger player in 1970/71 than he was in 68, but I agree that in a match of any size, Spassky would still have been victorious over Larsen. |
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| Jun-11-09 | | nero66: Hello. Can somebody help me with this game. Its a masterpiece by Bobby but why not play 13 Bb5 winning an exchange
after 13- axb5 14 Qxa8. In know how often Petro sacrifised an exchange and won but even with the white queen badly placed black also has problems with weak pawns and behind in develepment. So with my Fritz not ok right now who can help me with a strong analys of the move 13 Bb5? |
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| Jun-11-09 | | Ziggurat: <nero66> An earlier comment on this page by <An Englishman> answers your question: <etrosian was hoping for 13.Bb5. This was a deliberate attempted Exchange sac. Black probably would have continued 13...axb5; 14.Qxa8,b4 followed by 0-0 and Bb7. White Queen is awkwardly placed and Black has some intiative in the center.Fischer's play is much better. He simply exchanges Queens, exchanges dark square Bishops, places a rook on the seventh ranks, get a B vs. N mismatch in an endgame where it counts for something, and somehow convinces Petrosian to put all of his pawns on white squares by move 25. This is worth a lot more than an Exchange.> |
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| Jun-11-09 | | euripides: <nero, zig, pet> After <13.Bb5 axb5 14.Qxa8> doesn't 14...b4 allow the slightly annoying Na4 with the possibility of Nb6 and exchanging off the c8 bishop ? Simply 14...0-0 might be better. Black's light-squared bishop then looks very strong with the white equivalent gone. The b and d pawns are not so easy to immobilise and attack. A computer line would be interesting but I wouldn't altogether trust the evaluation here - many programmes will overestimate the value of the material advantage here. |
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| Jun-11-09 | | Lt.Surena: During the match Fischer complains about lights again (among other things)("GM Distraction" was his middle name). They call the ref. The ref. stops the clock when it is Bobby's turn. Bobby does not leave the table and keeps sitting down while they try to move the table. This in trun infuriates Tigran. Cheap tricks by the one-time wonder again. No surprise BOBBY PUT HIS TAIL BETWEEN HIS LEGS AND RAN after 72. What a hero ! What an inspiration ! I see a lot Bobby Fischer Memorial tournaments in order. The man he defeated has inspired a legion of world class players and a world class name-sake to boot. The small country he originated from has won back to back Olympiads and you can bet there is world champion (Aronian) in the horizon as he has proved himself over and over again recently. The Indian is no match for him (see their record) as the Bulgarian fades away. Now, Who is more legendary, Bobby (the one-time wonder) or Tigran (Back to Back World Champ )? |
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| Jun-12-09 | | nero66: Thanks for the respons.
I had looked at the earlier posts before my last kibitz and I still miss a strong analys of the move 13 Bb5. Because I still think that even though
<An Englishman> might be right it's still very general and unclear. One good example is <euripides> move 15 Na4 after 14 -b4 that looks like its no stopping Nb6 and exchanging one of the bishops.
So please more help. |
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| Jun-12-09 | | ewan14: Fans of Petrosian cannot claim about cheap tricks. Petrosian was a master of them |
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| Jun-12-09 | | arsen387: <ewan> but there's one difference. Petrosian was a master of 'cheap tricks' only over the board, while Fischer was unexcelled in it also outside. Having said this, Fischer's play here is impressive |
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| Jun-12-09 | | Granny O Doul: I guess it depends. Does under the table count as off the board? |
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| Jun-12-09 | | Riverbeast: <They call the ref. The ref. stops the clock when it is Bobby's turn. Bobby does not leave the table and keeps sitting down while they try to move the table. This in trun infuriates Tigran.> I don't know if this is the same incident you're referring to, but one time Fischer and Petrosian were playing, and the lights went out in the playing hall. Petrosian insisted Fischer's clock continue to run, since he claimed Fischer was still analyzing in the dark...And Fischer agreed! Fischer was a sportsman and almost always showed respect to his opponents....Most of the people who played him said he was a gentleman at the board. His disputes were with the organizers, not the players....And NOBODY ever thought his demands were intended to purposefully distract his opponents (although they may have had that effect) Petrosian on the other hand was proven by numerous and varied accounts to be a colluder and a cheater...At Curacao, he even backstabbed his 'teammate' Keres by offering (along with Geller) to help Benko in his adjournment against him. And sorry if the truth hurts, but Fischer OWNED his boy Tigran, and nothing you say will ever change that fact |
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| Jun-12-09 | | Riverbeast: <Lt Surena> Clearly you are bitter over the way Fischer PUNISHED Petrosian for his misdeeds And he didn't need any teammates to beat him, either! Here's a little song I wrote that you may enjoy...I'll call it "Fischer's Rhapsody" Eeny meeny miney moe
Throw a Tigran to the flo'
If he hollers give him mo'
My mother said to beat this one and Tigran is going to be....IT! |
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| Jun-12-09 | | WhiteRook48: ah, powerful pigs |
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