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Simon Kim Williams vs The World
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1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.g4 a6 6.Bf1 h6 7.h3 Be7 8.Bg2 d5 9.Nc3 Be6 10.Nge2 d4 11.Ne4 Nxe4 12.Bxe4 Bd5 13.Ng3 Bxe4 14.Nxe4 Qd7 15.Qf3 Nb4 16.O-O-O Nxa2+ 17.Kb1 Nb4 18.Qf5 d3 19.c4 Qxf5 20.gxf5 f6 21.Rhg1 Kf7 22.Bc3 Nc6 23.Rg6 b5 24.Rdg1 Rhg8 25.c5 b4 26.Bb2 Na5 27.Ka2 Nb7 28.c6 Nd6 29.Nxd6+ Bxd6 30.e4 Bc5 31.Rf1 Rad8 32.f4 exf4 33.Rxf4 Be3 0-1
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Jan-17-14		Domdaniel: The Gypsy Rook, it will dance now. Congrats, everybody.

Jan-17-14		DcGentle: <RandomVisitor>: He will resign tomorrow night.

Jan-17-14		DcGentle: <chessgames.com> confirmed to me, that they'll speak with GM Williams about a post mortem, when the game is over.

Jan-17-14		chess gunners: <DcGentle>: Thanks a lot for your friendly with me <DcGentle>: Maybe better if GM Williams didn't move 4.♗b5 first, because the Bishop will come back and move to g2

Jan-17-14		chess gunners: <DcGentle>: I'm not signed up today, i have another username but i forgot the password! hahaha.... ;-)

Jan-17-14		DcGentle: <chess gunners>: <4.Bb5> belongs to the theory of the Larsen opening, but <5. g4> is starting the Grob opening, so there are two systems mixed here, maybe this is the true reason for White's problems. For the initiative was handed over to Black after <5. g4>.

Jan-17-14		DcGentle: I'll call it day now. See you!

Jan-17-14		chess gunners: yeah, surely, the best line of Larsen is not 5.g4, but 5.♘e2 or 5.♘f3 i know, becoz i played this opening 1 y-ago and got positive results: 8 wins 4 draws and only 1 lose...

Jan-17-14		kb2ct: <DcGentle: <kb2ct>: After <35. Rd1> the move <35... Bc3> is not good.> Yes, but if he plays 35. Rd1, we have B5 trapping his rook. Tough choice. :0)

Jan-17-14		Ron: Seems like we do better against OTB grandmasters. We have a tougher time against correspondence grandmasters.

Jan-17-14		Domdaniel: <Ron> -- < Seems like we do better against OTB grandmasters. We have a tougher time against correspondence grandmasters.> True. And, as others have pointed out, this suggests that OTB GMs don't play this version of the game as well as CC players do.

Jan-17-14		Tiggler: <Domdaniel: <Ron> -- < Seems like we do better against OTB grandmasters. We have a tougher time against correspondence grandmasters.> True. And, as others have pointed out, this suggests that OTB GMs don't play this version of the game as well as CC players do,> I hear that Roger Federer is lousy at table tennis, too.

Jan-18-14		kb2ct: <DcGentle: <kb2ct>: After <35. Rd1> the move <35... Bc3> is not good.> Not good is an understatement. It is quite likely a draw. No wobder I gave up on Bc3 even if he plays 35. Ph4 not 35. Rd1 :0) 1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. g4 a6 6. Bf1 h6 7. h3 Be7 8. Bg2 d5 9. Nc3 Be6 10. Nge2 d4 11. Ne4 Nxe4 12. Bxe4 Bd5 13. Ng3 Bxe4 14. Nxe4 Qd7 15. Qf3 Nb4 16. O-O-O Nxa2+ 17. Kb1 Nb4 18. Qf5 d3 19. c4 Qxf5 20. gxf5 f6 21. Rhg1 Kf7 22. Bc3 Nc6 23. Rg6 b5 24. Rdg1 Rhg8 25. c5 b4 26. Bb2 Na5 27. Ka2 Nb7 28. c6 Nd6 29. Nxd6+ Bxd6 30. e4 Bc5 31. Rf1 Rad8 32. f4 exf4 33. Rxf4 Be3 34. Rf1 Bxd2 35. Rd1 Bc3 36. Rg3 Bxb2 37. Kxb2 g6 38. Rgxd3 Rxd3 39. Rxd3 gxf5 40. exf5 Re8 41. Rd7+ Re7 42. Rd4 a5 43. Rd5 Re5 44. Rd7+ Ke8 45. Rxc7 Rxf5 46. Rh7 Kd8 47. Rd7+ Kc8 48. Ra7 Rb5 49. Kc2 Rc5+ 50. Kb2 Kd8 51. h4 Kc8 52. Kb1 click for larger view Analysis by Rybka 4: depth 32 ply 1. (-0.76): 52...Rf5 53.Kc2 Rd5 54.Kc1 f5 55.Rf7 f4 56.Rxf4 Kc7 57.Rf7+ Kxc6 58.Rf6+ Rd6 59.Rf5 Kb6 60.Kc2 Rg6 61.Rd5 Rc6+ 62.Kb2 Ka6 63.h5 Re6 64.Kc2 Rf6 65.Kb2 Kb6 66.Kc2 2. (-0.76): 52...Rb5 53.Kc2 Rd5 54.Kc1 f5 55.Rf7 f4 56.Rxf4 Kc7 57.Rf7+ Kxc6 58.Rf6+ Rd6 59.Rf5 Kb6 60.Kc2 Rg6 61.Rd5 Rc6+ 62.Kb2 Ka6 63.h5 Re6 64.Kc2 Rf6 65.Kb2 Kb6 66.Kc2

Jan-18-14		chess gunners: I found in a most fatal move by Williams, at 32.f4??. Now, if white plays 32.f3 click for larger view the most interesting move here is 32...♖d6 and likely win the c6 pawn, but White has a powerful idea with 33.♖c1! ♗a7 [becoz 33...♖c6 34.♗xe5! and 35.♗d4 with a big pin] and White consolidated. click for larger view I think this move was missed by GM Williams

Jan-18-14		falso contacto: Rxf4 is a bad move isnt it?

Jan-18-14		Ceri: <parmetd: zsoydd and Ceri what are your iccf accounts> I do not have one. Cheers, Ceri

Jan-18-14		kb2ct: <chess gunners:> The whole idea if he played Pf3 was to zugswang him into playing Pf4, but you are right, he does much better delaying it by one tempo 1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. g4 a6 6. Bf1 h6 7. h3 Be7 8. Bg2 d5 9. Nc3 Be6 10. Nge2 d4 11. Ne4 Nxe4 12. Bxe4 Bd5 13. Ng3 Bxe4 14. Nxe4 Qd7 15. Qf3 Nb4 16. O-O-O Nxa2+ 17. Kb1 Nb4 18. Qf5 d3 19. c4 Qxf5 20. gxf5 f6 21. Rhg1 Kf7 22. Bc3 Nc6 23. Rg6 b5 24. Rdg1 Rhg8 25. c5 b4 26. Bb2 Na5 27. Ka2 Nb7 28. c6 Nd6 29. Nxd6+ Bxd6 30. e4 Bc5 31. Rf1 Rad8 32. f3 Rd6 33. Rc1 Bf2 34. Rg2 Bh4 35. Rc4 a5 36. Rc5 Ra8 37. f4 exf4 38. e5 click for larger view

Jan-18-14		kb2ct: <chess gunners:> If our a=pawn is immune, it may be better to prevent Pf4 than encourage it. 1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. g4 a6 6. Bf1 h6 7. h3 Be7 8. Bg2 d5 9. Nc3 Be6 10. Nge2 d4 11. Ne4 Nxe4 12. Bxe4 Bd5 13. Ng3 Bxe4 14. Nxe4 Qd7 15. Qf3 Nb4 16. O-O-O Nxa2+ 17. Kb1 Nb4 18. Qf5 d3 19. c4 Qxf5 20. gxf5 f6 21. Rhg1 Kf7 22. Bc3 Nc6 23. Rg6 b5 24. Rdg1 Rhg8 25. c5 b4 26. Bb2 Na5 27. Ka2 Nb7 28. c6 Nd6 29. Nxd6+ Bxd6 30. e4 Bc5 31. Rf1 Rad8 32. f3 Rd6 33. Rc1 Bf2 34. Rg2 Bh4 35. Rc4 a5 36. Rc5 Rgd8 37. Kb1 Bg5 click for larger view I think it is a different sort of zugswang. I lnow that in other lines that doubling rooks on the d-file usually works. :0)

Jan-18-14		dunamisvpm: To Ceri : Thanks for the info

Jan-18-14		kb2ct: The idea behind preventing Pf4 is to trade our a-pawn for his c-pawn and penetrate to c2 with our rook.. This should evaluate better than trading our d-pawn for his c-pawn. I don't believe that it can be stopped. :0)

Jan-18-14		morfishine: WT: "Surely, you must resign" GMW: "Stop calling me Shirley" *****

Jan-18-14		kb2ct: The idea behind trading our a-pawn for his c-pawn is that it becomes an attack that wins the exchange. This has to evaluate well above -3.00 1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. g4 a6 6. Bf1 h6 7. h3 Be7 8. Bg2 d5 9. Nc3 Be6 10. Nge2 d4 11. Ne4 Nxe4 12. Bxe4 Bd5 13. Ng3 Bxe4 14. Nxe4 Qd7 15. Qf3 Nb4 16. O-O-O Nxa2+ 17. Kb1 Nb4 18. Qf5 d3 19. c4 Qxf5 20. gxf5 f6 21. Rhg1 Kf7 22. Bc3 Nc6 23. Rg6 b5 24. Rdg1 Rhg8 25. c5 b4 26. Bb2 Na5 27. Ka2 Nb7 28. c6 Nd6 29. Nxd6+ Bxd6 30. e4 Bc5 31. Rf1 Rad8 32. f3 Rd6 33. Rc1 Bf2 34. Rg2 Bh4 35. Rc4 a5 36. Rc5 Rgd8 37. Kb1 Bg5 38. Rxa5 Rxc6 39. Rb5 Rc2 40. Bc1 Be3 41. Rxb4 Bd4 42. Rg3 Ra8 43. Rxd4 exd4 44. f4 click for larger view Don't worry, we always had the king walk. :0)

Jan-18-14		cormier: 34. Rf3 Bxd2 35. Rg1 Bc3 36. Rd1 d2 37. Bxc3 bxc3 38. Rxc3 Rd6 39. Rc2 Rgd8: click for larger view 36...Rd4 maybe

Jan-18-14		chess gunners: I have another game from 5.g4?! [Event "Ortigueira op 4th"] [Site "Ortigueira"] [Date "2005.08.15"] [Round "4"] [White "Vitor, Antonio"] [Black "Oral, Tomas"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [ECO "A01"] [WhiteElo "2365"] [BlackElo "2535"] [PlyCount "76"] [EventDate "2005.08.12"] [EventType "swiss"] [EventRounds "9"] [EventCountry "ESP"] [Source "ChessBase"] [SourceDate "2005.01.01"] 1. b3 e5 2. ♗b2 ♘c6 3. e3 ♘f6 4. ♗b5 ♗d6 5. g4 a6 6. ♗f1 h6 7. ♗g2 ♗e7 8. d3 d5 9. h3 ♗e6 10. ♘e2 ♕d7 11. ♘d2 O-O-O 12. a3 h5 13. g5 ♘h7 14. h4 f6 15. gxf6 ♗xf6 16. c4 dxc4 17. dxc4 ♖hf8 18. ♕c2 ♗f5 19. ♕xf5! A powerful idea!! click for larger view ...♕xf5= 20. ♗h3 ♘e7 21. ♘g3 ♕xh3 22. ♖xh3 g6 23. ♔e2 ♘f5 24. ♘de4 ♘xg3+ 25. ♖xg3 ♗xh4 26. ♖xg6 ♘f6 27. ♘xf6 ♖xf6 28. ♖xf6 ♗xf6 29. ♖h1 h4 30. f4 ♖g8 31. ♗xe5 ♗xe5 32. fxe5 ♖h8 33. ♔f3 ♔d7 34. ♔g4 ♖g8+ 35. ♔f4 ♖f8+ 36. ♔g4 ♖g8+ 37. ♔f4 ♖f8+ 38. ♔g4 ♖g8+ 1/2-1/2

Jan-18-14		DPLeo: Stockfish didn't find the shortest mate. At d=37 for each half-move, it reached mate on move 81. [Event "Chessgames Challenge"] [Site "chessgames.com"] [Date "2013.09.16"] [Round "1"] [White "Simon Kim Williams"] [Black "The World"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "A01"] [Opening "Nimzowitsch-Larsen Attack"] [Variation "Modern Variation, 1...e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3"] 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.g4 a6 6.Bf1 h6 7.h3 Be7 8.Bg2 d5 9.Nc3 Be6 10.Nge2 d4 11.Ne4 Nxe4 12.Bxe4 Bd5 13.Ng3 Bxe4 14.Nxe4 Qd7 15.Qf3 Nb4 16.O-O-O Nxa2+ 17.Kb1 Nb4 18.Qf5 d3 19.c4 Qxf5 20.gxf5 f6 21.Rhg1 Kf7 22.Bc3 Nc6 23.Rg6 b5 24.Rdg1 Rhg8 25.c5 b4 26.Bb2 Na5 27.Ka2 Nb7 28.c6 Nd6 29.Nxd6+ Bxd6 30.e4 Bc5 31.Rf1 Rad8 32.f4 exf4 33.Rxf4 Be3 34.dxe3 d2 35.Rg1 d1=Q 36.Rxd1 Rxd1 37.e5 Rb8 38.Bd4 Rb5 39.e6+ Ke8 40.Kb2 Rd2+ 41.Kb1 Rd5 42.Kc1 Rh2 43.h4 a5 44.Kb1 Ke7 45.Kc1 Kd6 46.Kb1 Kxc6 47.Re4 Rxf5 48.Bb2 Rxb2+ 49.Kxb2 Re5 50.Rc4+ Kd6 51.h5 Rxh5 52.Kc2 Re5 53.Kd3 Rxe6 54.Rg4 g5 55.Rg1 h5 56.Kd2 Re5 57.Rf1 Ke6 58.Rc1 h4 59.Rc6+ Kf5 60.Ke2 h3 61.Rc1 g4 62.Kf2 g3+ 63.Kxg3 Rxe3+ 64.Kh2 Rxb3 65.Ra1 Kg4 66.Rb1 a4 67.Rg1+ Kh4 68.Rg8 Rb2+ 69.Kh1 a3 70.Rh8+ Kg4 71.Rg8+ Kf5 72.Rg1 a2 73.Rf1+ Kg4 74.Rg1+ Kf3 75.Rf1+ Ke2 76.Ra1 Rb1+ 77.Kh2 Rxa1 78.Kg3 Rg1+ 79.Kxh3 a1=Q 80.Kh4 f5 81.Kh5 Qh8# * click for larger view Enjoy!

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