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| Jan-17-14 | | kb2ct: We have so many winning lines if he refuses to let us win the exchange that it confuses the engines and could cause voting problems. :0) |
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| Jan-17-14 | | DcGentle: <kb2ct>: I'd like to have your worries. ;-) |
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| Jan-17-14 | | DcGentle: <kb2ct>: I have got a question.
How did you like the game? |
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| Jan-17-14 | | kb2ct: <DcGentle:>
I chose not to trade bishops or harvest his c-oawn but play for speed not material. I figured it could be changed at any point if difficulties were encountered. I also though our e-pawn was at least as good as our d-pawn. Rybka could not make up itd mind at many points and I had to choose for it The higher the evaluation the more indecisive Rybka gets. :0)
1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. g4 a6 6. Bf1 h6 7. h3 Be7 8. Bg2 d5
9. Nc3 Be6 10. Nge2 d4 11. Ne4 Nxe4 12. Bxe4 Bd5 13. Ng3 Bxe4 14. Nxe4 Qd7 15.
Qf3 Nb4 16. O-O-O Nxa2+ 17. Kb1 Nb4 18. Qf5 d3 19. c4 Qxf5 20. gxf5 f6 21. Rhg1
Kf7 22. Bc3 Nc6 23. Rg6 b5 24. Rdg1 Rhg8 25. c5 b4 26. Bb2 Na5 27. Ka2 Nb7 28.
c6 Nd6 29. Nxd6+ Bxd6 30. e4 Bc5 31. Rf1 Rad8 32. f4 exf4 33. Rxf4 Be3 34. Rf1
Bxd2 35. h4 Be3 36. Rd1 Rge8 37. e5 fxe5 38. Rg3 Bf4 39. Rgxd3 Rxd3 40. Rxd3
Kf6 41. Rd7 Re7 42. Rd1 Kxf5 43. h5 Re6 44. Rd5 Kg5 45. Rd7 e4 46. Rxg7+ Kxh5 47. Rg1 e3 
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 4: depth 17 ply
1.  (-7.29): 48.Bd4 Rd6
2. (-7.94): 48.Bc1 Bg5 |
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| Jan-17-14 | | kb2ct: <DcGentle: <kb2ct>: I have got a question. How did you like the game?> The game was fine and taught me a lot.
I am usually the one saccing material and trying to wiggle out. :0) |
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| Jan-17-14 | | DcGentle: <kb2ct>: You know last time there was a mate line length of about 60 or less moves, here it's maybe 80 or less, but I already reached 69... I am trying to extend your line to mate. |
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| Jan-17-14 | | DcGentle: <kb2ct>: Preliminary result: 71 moves. Not bad. Maybe there is more. ;-) |
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| Jan-17-14 | | DcGentle: Ok, new record, 68 moves. ;-) |
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| Jan-17-14 | | DcGentle: But, <kb2ct>, in your line, I guess that <35. Rd1> is stronger than <35. h4>, maybe. |
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| Jan-17-14 | | chess gunners: Black move: 33...♗e3. Now if white precarioiusly take this bishop with pawn, my analysis: 34.fxe3 d2 35.♖g1 d1=♕ 36.♖xd1 ♖xd1 37.e5! ♖b8 38.e6+ ♔e8 39.♗d4 consolidating d-file and e3 pawn, black, astonishingly has 39...♖b5! 
click for larger view and White rook on f4 will be passive all the time! |
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Jan-17-14
 | | AylerKupp: <<kb2ct> The higher the evaluation the more indecisive Rybka gets.> Rybka has a long way to go to match COKO III's indecisiveness from the good old days of computer chess, circa 1971. Here is a link to my previous post on the position in question: Caruana vs Anand, 2013. But have no fear, Rybka did find the winning move(s), not letting the high evaluation lead it astray. |
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| Jan-17-14 | | DcGentle: <chess gunners>: Nice diagram :-) |
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| Jan-17-14 | | DcGentle: <kb2ct> I am afraid your line doesn't set a new record, because after <35. Rd1> Black's g-rook cannot show up on e8 early enough. It's the same as last time: Either you have a move that makes him resign early or you get a longer mate line. |
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| Jan-17-14 | | DcGentle: <chess gunners>: So you signed up today! Interesting. You know that we are allowed to use chess programs in this game as well? Your analysis is correct, as far as I can see. We are winning. If you have got any questions, just ask. :-) |
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| Jan-17-14 | | chess gunners: I think Williams doesn't so powerful with Larsen 1.b3 and his choices for 5.g4 and 6.♗f1 is a bad one... |
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| Jan-17-14 | | METOPEA: Bé3. Fine move. |
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| Jan-17-14 | | RandomVisitor: I bet 50% chance he resigns, 50% chance he waits to the pawn promotion. |
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| Jan-17-14 | | kb2ct: <DcGentle: >
It might be faster and less confusing to the engines if we kept our d-pawn RV would play a large role.
1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. g4 a6 6. Bf1 h6 7. h3 Be7 8. Bg2 d5
9. Nc3 Be6 10. Nge2 d4 11. Ne4 Nxe4 12. Bxe4 Bd5 13. Ng3 Bxe4 14. Nxe4 Qd7 15.
Qf3 Nb4 16. O-O-O Nxa2+ 17. Kb1 Nb4 18. Qf5 d3 19. c4 Qxf5 20. gxf5 f6 21. Rhg1
Kf7 22. Bc3 Nc6 23. Rg6 b5 24. Rdg1 Rhg8 25. c5 b4 26. Bb2 Na5 27. Ka2 Nb7 28.
c6 Nd6 29. Nxd6+ Bxd6 30. e4 Bc5 31. Rf1 Rad8 32. f4 exf4 33. Rxf4 Be3 34. Rf1
Bxd2 35. h4 Bc3 36. Rd1 d2 37. Rg3 g5
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Jan-17-14
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33...Be3
FINAL VOTE TALLY:
| 33...Be3 |
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227 | votes |
(95.8%) |
| 33...Rd6 |
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3 | votes |
(1.3%) |
| 33...a5 |
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2 | votes |
(0.8%) |
| 33...Rge8 |
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2 | votes |
(0.8%) |
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total # of votes: 237
draw requests: 6 (2.5%)
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| Jan-17-14 | | jusmail: 1.b3 e5 page 16/30
2.Bb2 Nc6 Page 36/45
t3.e3 Nf6 Page 48/66
4.Bb5 Bd6 Page 77/88
5.g4 a6 Page 92/108
6.Bf1 h6 Page 111/138
7.h3 Be7 Page 152/163
8.Bg2 d5 Page 168/176
9.Nc3 Be6 Page 181/199
10.Nge2 d4 Page 204/220
11.Ne4 Nxe4 Page 225/235
12.Bxe4 Bd5 Page 237/242
13.Ng3 Bxe4 Page 244/250
14.Nxe4 Qd7 Page 260/269
15.Qf3 Nb4 Page 286/291
16.O-O-O Nxa2+ Page 293/298
17.Kb1 Nb4 Page 301/306
18.Qf5 d3 Page 310/318
19.c4 Qxf5 Page 323/327
20.gxf5 f6 Page 329/335
21.Rhg1 Kf7 Page 338/346
22.Bc3 Nc6 Page 374/386
23.Rg6 b5 Page 397/407
24.Rdg1 Rhg8 Page 411/421
25.c5 b4 Page 439/450
26.Bb2 Na5 Page 455/467
27.Ka2 Nb7 Page 482/498
28.c6 Nd6 Page 504/511
29.Nxd6+ Bxd6 Page 516/522
30.e4 Bc5 Page 527/536
31.Rf1 Rad8 Page 540/547
32.f4 exf4 Page 551/559
33.Rxf4 Be3 Page 561/568 |
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| Jan-17-14 | | DcGentle: <chess gunners>:
He wanted to produce something like this:
Position after <5. g4> 
click for larger viewHere the World Team played <5... a6> and in the
following game <5... 0-0> was played. [Event "London Chess Classic"]
[Site "London ENG"]
[Date "2013.12.11"]
[EventDate "2013.12.07"]
[Round "5.18"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Simon Kim Williams"]
[Black "F M Semprun Martinez"]
[ECO "A01"]
[WhiteElo "2461"]
[BlackElo "2213"]
[PlyCount "55"]
1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. g4 O-O 6. g5 Ne4
7. Nf3 Nxg5 8. Rg1 Ne6 9. Nc3 f6 10. Nh4 Ne7 11. Bd3 f5
12. Qh5 Qe8 13. Qxe8 Rxe8 14. Nxf5 Nxf5 15. Bxf5 Nc5 16. b4
Na6 17. a3 Be7 18. f4 d6 19. Bxc8 Raxc8 20. fxe5 dxe5 21. Ne4
c5 22. b5 Nc7 23. a4 Nd5 24. Ke2 Rcd8 25. Bxe5 g6 26. c4 Nb6
27. d3 Bh4 28. Bf6 1-0
You can find this game here: S Williams vs F M Semprun Martinez, 2013
in <chessgames.com>'s database. |
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| Jan-17-14 | | DcGentle: <kb2ct>: After <35. Rd1> the move <35... Bc3> is not good. |
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| Jan-17-14 | | WinKing: Total # of votes: 237 votes/1178 members = 20.1% of the members voted. |
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