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Simon Kim Williams vs The World
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1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.g4 a6 6.Bf1 h6 7.h3 Be7 8.Bg2 d5 9.Nc3 Be6 10.Nge2 d4 11.Ne4 Nxe4 12.Bxe4 Bd5 13.Ng3 Bxe4 14.Nxe4 Qd7 15.Qf3 Nb4 16.O-O-O Nxa2+ 17.Kb1 Nb4 18.Qf5 d3 19.c4 Qxf5 20.gxf5 f6 21.Rhg1 Kf7 22.Bc3 Nc6 23.Rg6 b5 24.Rdg1 Rhg8 25.c5 b4 26.Bb2 Na5 27.Ka2 Nb7 28.c6 Nd6 29.Nxd6+ Bxd6 30.e4 Bc5 31.Rf1 Rad8 32.f4 exf4 33.Rxf4 Be3 0-1
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Jan-18-14		DcGentle: <chess gunners>: Well, I would be grateful if you don't mix figurine notation with PGN-Format. For the latter has these [] lines, which indicates that this is suited for computer use. But due to the figurine notation, it's impossible to just copy and paste this text into a text-editor or pgn viewer, because the pieces are not recognized when copying it from the website. The effect is, that the moves are invalid. Thank you.

Jan-18-14		kb2ct: I really think it is a zugswang caused or aggrevated by congestion on his c1 square. We don't have to play Pg6 unless he doubles rooks on the g-file. :0) 1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. g4 a6 6. Bf1 h6 7. h3 Be7 8. Bg2 d5 9. Nc3 Be6 10. Nge2 d4 11. Ne4 Nxe4 12. Bxe4 Bd5 13. Ng3 Bxe4 14. Nxe4 Qd7 15. Qf3 Nb4 16. O-O-O Nxa2+ 17. Kb1 Nb4 18. Qf5 d3 19. c4 Qxf5 20. gxf5 f6 21. Rhg1 Kf7 22. Bc3 Nc6 23. Rg6 b5 24. Rdg1 Rhg8 25. c5 b4 26. Bb2 Na5 27. Ka2 Nb7 28. c6 Nd6 29. Nxd6+ Bxd6 30. e4 Bc5 31. Rf1 Rad8 32. f3 Rd6 33. Rc1 Bf2 34. Rg2 Bh4 35. Rc4 a5 36. Rc5 Rgd8 37. Kb1 Bg5 38. Rc1 Bf4 39. Rc5 Ra8 40. Bc1 a4 41. bxa4 Rxa4 42. Rb5 Ra6 click for larger view Analysis by Rybka 4: depth 23 ply 1. (-3.32): 43.Rg1 Rdxc6 44.Rd5 Rd6[] 45.Rb5 Rab6 46.Ra5 Rbc6 47.Rb5 Rc2 48.Rd1 2. (-3.46): 43.Rb8 Raxc6 44.Rg1 :0)

Jan-18-14		chess gunners: <DrGentle>: Sorry,, i forgot it at chessgames.com because i have never commented for last 2 years

Jan-18-14		DcGentle: <chess gunners>: Well, I figured the game anyways, and <15... Nxf6> would have been stronger, because then <16. c4> fails due to <16... Ng4>.

Jan-18-14		YouRang: <DcGentle><...But due to the figurine notation, it's impossible to just copy and paste this text into a text-editor or pgn viewer, because the pieces are not recognized when copying it from the website.> Actually, cg.com recently fixed this, so figurine notation does copy/paste correctly (as non-figurine notation). I still dislike figurine notation. It's just visually hard to read.

Jan-18-14		Boerboel Guy: <YouRang: I still dislike figurine notation. It's just visually hard to read.> I actually find it easier to read!

Jan-18-14		DcGentle: <<YouRang>: Actually, cg.com recently fixed this, so figurine notation does copy/paste correctly (as non-figurine notation).> Not with my browser, Opera.

Jan-18-14		ChemMac: <cormier> < 34. Rf3 Bxd2 35. Rg1 Bc3 36. Rd1 d2 37. Bxc3 bxc3 38. Rxc3 Rd6 39. Rc2 Rgd8> Black has to use another advantage; his King. I'd try for ...Rd3;..R8d4, ...K to d6.

Jan-18-14		DPLeo: <chess gunners: I have another game from 5.g4?! [Event "Ortigueira op 4th"] [Site "Ortigueira"] [Date "2005.08.15"] [Round "4"] [White "Vitor, Antonio"] [Black "Oral, Tomas"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [ECO "A01"] [WhiteElo "2365"] [BlackElo "2535"] [PlyCount "76"] [EventDate "2005.08.12"] [EventType "swiss"] [EventRounds "9"] [EventCountry "ESP"] [Source "ChessBase"] [SourceDate "2005.01.01"] 1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. g4 a6 6. Bf1 h6 7. Bg2 Be7 8. d3 d5 9. h3 Be6 10. Ne2 Qd7 11. Nd2 O-O-O 12. a3 h5 13. g5 Nh7 14. h4 f6 15. gxf6 Bxf6 16. c4 dxc4 17. dxc4 Rhf8 18. Qc2 Bf5 19. Qxf5! Qxf5= 20. Bh3 Ne7 21. Ng3 Qxh3 22. Rxh3 g6 23. Ke2 Nf5 24. Nde4 Nxg3+ 25. Rxg3 Bxh4 26. Rxg6 Nf6 27. Nxf6 Rxf6 28. Rxf6 Bxf6 29. Rh1 h4 30. f4 Rg8 31. Bxe5 Bxe5 32. fxe5 Rh8 33. Kf3 Kd7 34. Kg4 Rg8+ 35. Kf4 Rf8+ 36. Kg4 Rg8+ 37. Kf4 Rf8+ 38. Kg4 Rg8+ 1/2-1/2> Wow, I guess this shows how White has the draw in hand if Black plays 6... h6. :-)

Jan-18-14		team kids can win: <Wow, I guess this shows how White has the draw in hand if Black plays 6... h6.> I'd still say that <6...Be7 7.g5 Ne4 8.h4 d5 9.Bg2 Be6> looks a little better for Black click for larger view than <6...h6 7.h3 Be7 8.Bg2 d5 9.Ne2 ?> click for larger view But overall if White is going to play 1.b3, then I think 5.Na3 is the better plan in this opening. Perhaps after the game GMW will simply say "I had fun playing a semi unsound OTB opening that works against some players and getting my butt kicked in centaur correspondence chess!" or something along those lines.

Jan-18-14		yskid: <Jan-18-14 DPLeo: <chess gunners: I have another game from 5.g4?! [Event "Ortigueira op 4th"] [Site "Ortigueira"] [Date "2005.08.15"] [Round "4"] [White "Vitor, Antonio"] [Black "Oral, Tomas"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [ECO "A01"] [WhiteElo "2365"] [BlackElo "2535"] .... 1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. g4 a6 6. Bf1 h6 .... 1/2-1/2> Wow, I guess this shows how White has the draw in hand if Black plays 6... h6.>Is White supposed to be lost in this opening after first 6 moves?

Jan-18-14		DPLeo: <yskid: Is White supposed to be lost in this opening after first 6 moves?> Probably not. I think it's accurate to say that after all the lost tempos in the first six moves of this opening that White has handed the initiative of first-move to Black. From there, Black had the option to accept the initiative or not.

Jan-18-14		devere: <chess gunners: I found in a most fatal move by Williams, at 32.f4??. Now, if white plays 32.f3 the most interesting move here is 32...Rd6 and likely win the c6 pawn, but White has a powerful idea with 33.Rc1! Ba7 [becoz 33...Rc6 34.Bxe5! and 35.Bd4 with a big pin] and White consolidated. I think this move was missed by GM Williams> On 33.Rc1 Bf2(-->h4-->g5). There is no way for White to draw without a blunder from Black. In my opinion GM Williams didn't miss it. He just prefers a fast loss to a slow loss. If this were speed chess, or even regular tournament speed he might have played what you suggest and reasonably hoped for an opponent's mistake. In correspondence chess against a team that is too much to hope for. Anyway, we'll probably know the answer tonight.

Jan-18-14		cormier: ChemMac ... <all the credit is to <Jan-15-14 Sequoia: Was the following line analysed? 33.Rxf4 Be3 34.Rf1 Bxd2 35. Rd1 Bc3?! (where? Bf4?! 36. Rg4 or 35...Bg5!?) 36. Rg3...>> where i add only a little here and there ..... < 35. Rg1 Bc3 36. Rd1 d2 37. Bxc3 bxc3 38. Rxc3 Rd6 39. Rc2 Rgd8>

Jan-18-14		cormier: oups ... 34. Rf3 Bxd2 35. Rg1 Bc3 36. Rd1 d2 37. Bxc3 bxc3 38. Rxc3 Rd6 39. Rc2 Rgd8:

Jan-18-14		Sequoia: So... I am expecting today 34. Rf3 and the game goes on.

Jan-18-14		cormier: RV ... <B. [-4.87] d=32 34.Rf1 Bxd2 35.Rd1 Bg5 36.e5 fxe5 37.Re6 Rd5 38.Rxe5 Rgd8 39.Kb1 R8d6 40.Re4 a5 41.Rg4 Rxc6 42.Rg3 d2 43.h4 Bf6 44.Bxf6 Rxf6 45.Rg2 Rfd6 46.Kb2 Rd3 47.h5 Rd7 48.Re2 Kf6 49.Rf2 <C. [-6.25] d=32 34.Rf3 Bxd2 35.Rg1 Bg5 36.Rd1 d2 37.e5 fxe5 38.Bxe5 Rd5 39.h4 Bxh4 40.Bg3 Bxg3 41.Rxg3 a5 42.Kb2 Rgd8 43.Rg2 R8d6 44.Re2 Kf6 45.Rf2 Rd4 46.Rg2 Rd3 47.Kc2 R3d5 48.Rg6+ Kf7 49.Rg2

Jan-18-14		DcGentle: Well, I am expecting the same as last time, no move and we don't know whether the game goes on or not, because he has time to answer until tomorrow.

Jan-18-14		DcGentle: For this reason I dunno whether I'll stay awake all the time until 2.00 am in the morning, just to see nothing happening.

Jan-18-14		galdur: He has only losing options on the move so he´ll most likely resign.

Jan-18-14		jrredfield: I'm getting this with Stockfish (modified a bit by me), d=40: 33.d2xe3 d2 34.Rf1 d1=Q 35.Rxd1 Rxd1 36.e5 fxe5 37.Bxe5 Rd5 38.Bc7 Rc8 click for larger view At this point, black has nearly complete control of the left side of the board, and white's backward pawns are really vulnerable. Getting an eval of almost +5.0 for black.

Jan-18-14		jrredfield: oops, last post, I meant starting at 34.d2xe3 d2 35.Rf1, etc.

Jan-18-14		DcGentle: <jrredfield>: It's all analyzed until checkmate: Chessgames Challenge: S Williams vs The World, 2013

Jan-18-14		Sequoia: <DcGentle: <jrredfield>: It's all analyzed until checkmate: Chessgames Challenge: S Williams vs The World, 2013> Useless. And I think derogatory. Sorry.

Jan-18-14		chess gunners: <DcGentle>: Sorry, i only read the tip below Comment on "Preview ur kibitz"

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