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May-15-13
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May-15-13 | | waustad: I've heard sports announcers who went from weak to excellent and this is not something he's done every day of his professional career. Personally I wish him the best, but the scene with Anand is hard to forget. Hopefully he'll learn from it. |
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May-15-13 | | whiteshark: <waustad <...to anger the World Champion..>> I must have missed that During my 1 week absence. Could you please explain/specify that? tia |
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May-15-13 | | achieve: <waustad> What exactly happened in the scene with Anand? Did i miss that somehow? Sorry for the silly question, but I really am drawing a blank on that for some reason. ;) |
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May-15-13 | | Eyal: Anand ended abruptly the interview after his game vs. Topalov; apparently he found something annoying or tiresome in Agedstein's questions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAou..., at the end). |
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May-15-13 | | achieve: Thanks <Eyal> - I do see and hear Agdestein formulate clumsily, blabbermouthing a bit perhaps, but for Anand to walk out like that... Perhaps he felt where Simen was (clumsily and amateurishly) heading, namely that the new generation will topple Anand eventually, and wasn't in the mood for the gibberish and diatribe way in which Simen was presenting his case. Never seen Anand like this before, but understandible to an extent, and perhaps Simen was not "just clumsy"? Anand hasn't really lost any of his quickness, it appears. |
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May-15-13 | | schweigzwang: In any case, a discussion of generational difference in chess style was not (or was no longer) relevant to a discussion about the game just played, and I think Anand was perfectly justified in leaving at that point. |
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May-15-13 | | waustad: Today went much better, though I noticed that they were very careful in dealing with Vishy Anand. The discussion of the school where GM Agdestein works was interesting and didn't get in the way too much because everybody was waiting for the end of Karjakin vs Nakamura, 2013 |
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May-15-13 | | pbercker: When I first watched it live last week I thought that Simen was somewhat at fault because I misinterpreted the nature of his question which I initially thought was more provocative than it really was. Having watched it again just now on youtube, the question sounds utterly innocuous. Simen was merely praising Aanand's record against the top players of his generation to which Anand demurred about being "the greatest", and then Simen went to note that this new younger crop of players have a different style from that of Kramnik, Topalov and Anand, "is that true?" Simen aksed ... and at that point Anand got up and said "well Simen you reminisce ... I'm going" ... In view of Simen's question, Anand's response doesn't actually make much sense, since simen is not at all reminiscing about the past but rather asking a question about the style of the current crop of young chess players. I've changed my mind about thinking that Simen said anything untoward to Anand, and I'm now somewhat baffled by Anand's reaction, other than that perhaps he was understandably tired and just wanted to leave. I simply do not see how Simen is at all to blame for this seemingly awkward incident. |
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May-15-13 | | waustad: Watching it again I see what you mean. He had been talking in the earlier rounds about when they were playing together in World Juniors and such if I recall. Perhaps Anand just got tired of it. Today they talked a lot about the weather, which may indicate that some things took place off camera. I was unable to see the press conference after the 4th game because the site was completely overloaded. Perhaps I'll look for it later. |
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May-15-13 | | achieve: <pbercker> <I'm now somewhat baffled by Anand's reaction, other than that perhaps he was understandably tired and just wanted to leave.> You may be overlooking that the host and moderator, DJ ten Geuzendam, was sitting right next to him, and to walk out disallowing DJTG to wrap up the interview by saying "Thank you for coming, [Vishy], best of luck for the rest of the tournament" - which is normal and common procedure - is highly unusual, and thus there must be a reason other than that "he was tired and <just wanted to leave>." Anand is very much the gentleman, hence there must have been an irritation that prompted him to not only walk away from Simen, but also walk straight past DJTG. Highly unusual to say the least, obviously there must be a reason for that, but we may never find out, and speaking for myself I do not insist on "finding out", though I was quite curious. It's really something between the men themselves. |
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May-15-13 | | achieve: <Today they talked a lot about the weather, which may indicate that some things took place off camera.> Yes - this seems quite certain, now. |
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May-16-13 | | Rolfo: I think Anand was tired and found a (funny) way to get himself off to an early break |
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May-16-13 | | kalle: Anand is always very eager to get away from these post-game interviews. I have seen it many times. |
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May-16-13
 | | tamar: Looking at the replay, Anand seemed irked for a moment, but then deflected showing any reaction by half-smiling, rising, and patting Simen on the shoulder, and saying he would leave him to his reminiscences. I think Anand thought Agdestein's question would be on his record against Topalov, and even interrupted, good naturedly, saying he too had noticed that he was the #1 opponent for many players now. I too thought Agdestein was going to comment on the high quality games the two had produced over the years, which they have, and I cringed when he midstream he asked Anand to agree that the new guys had different ways of playing than Anand's generation. To my mind, that was equivalent to discounting his victory over Topalov that they were there to discuss. Anand's face went neutral, and I think he wanted to avoid feeling trapped by the question, as he had at the World Championships versus Gelfand (about why he wasn't doing as well as people thought a champion should do). Anand is such a gentleman, that I think he didn't want to offend either Simen nor Dirk and pretended to misunderstand and left abruptly. |
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May-16-13 | | achieve: Eminently plausible, in fact it makes perfect sense, <tamar>. The pat on the Simen shoulder and 'smilingly' passing by DJTG spoke volumes, and he saved indeed also Dirk a potential awkward situation. Brilliant. As we have come to expect almost, from Anand. |
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May-16-13
 | | tamar: I'm overanalyzing of course,<achieve> but Anand does a head jerk movement at the moment Agdestein says he is world champion by virtue of being better than his own generation "at least" I hadn't noticed it before, but that was when he had a momentary anger at being assessed that way. |
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May-16-13 | | achieve: <Tamar> I too do like to look very closely at bodylanguage, analyse vids in detail, listen to intonation, you name it (which you did), and its not overanalyzing imo. It's fascinating and more than 90% of the valuable data can be drawn from the non-verbal accompaniment of the dry words through and with body-language. This stuff happens very quickly with a man as sensitive as Anand - in addition to being one of the most socially intelligent by perhaps a landslide -, and opposed to Simen's awkwardness and bad timing (DJTG had already half finished the interview) Anand was suddenly put before a choice, and his champion qualities were perhaps reduced to a number of head-to-heads, and now the New Generation playing a different style..... It's a touch of this and a little bit of that, and Vishy has to react. I wish I had his presence of mind in such situations. To me a remarkable bit of footage showing the person Anand, very sensible and sensitive, reacting very quickly. The direction Simen was heading for turned him off in a flash, amplified by the awkward wording and syntax, and out the door he was. |
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May-16-13 | | achieve: <Agdestein says he is world champion by virtue of being better than his own generation "at least"> ... 12:04-12:17 indeed reveals it all, including Dirk-Jan trying to sorta stop this thread that simen enters, then Anand indeed has a little head jerk, then his face blankens, and after Simen continued his diatribe -Anand: "Lets not get ahead of ourselves" - Look closely also at Simens bodylanguage as Anand takes over temporarily listing his number of encounters with the 'old guard' - basically all and more is there captured in the footage. Let's not get ahead of ourselves was a polite way of saying dont you just yet insinuate that I was the champ of a by now almost replaced generation, and am up against it against a generation that plays "different chess", whatever that means, exactly. Anand still sharp as knives. Good for him. |
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May-16-13 | | SugarDom: Anand felt that Simen was playing mind games ahead of the world championship... |
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May-16-13 | | Rolfo: Being scrutinized, is a mixed pleasure I guess :) |
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May-16-13 | | achieve: I'd say it's a blessing. |
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May-16-13
 | | tamar: The next day Dirk and Simen were surprised when an Indian (I assume) emailed them they should have another person in the booth to balance the anti-Anand questions. I said I overanalyzed <achieve> because it doesn't matter much in the scheme of things, and Dirk's defense of Simen that he occasionally became overenthusiastic about Magnus is probably the explanation for the whole mini episode. As the championship match approaches, Anand might just stop talking to Norwegians entirely. |
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May-16-13 | | achieve: <tamar> That is precisely the reason we are <not> overanalyzing this. A lot rides on this encounter for a lot of people, and if you read my post just now at <jessicafischerqueen> forum you may see what I mean. When did this so called defense by Dirk of Simen take place? Is it documented? Simen is old and wise enough to speak for himself and remain neutral as an interviewer. I think this development is a pity, and precisely at this tournament in Norway a good example can be set. India we hardly can control ;) I just want to concentrate on the two matadors; anything from outside influencing or disturbing them is a drag, but it is part of the lead-up. That is why I thought Anand reacted brilliantly. Avoiding those type confrontations and discussions as much as possible, not getting cornered. If necessary walk away. Literally. And Anand did. |
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May-16-13 | | SugarDom: Of course, Anand reacted brilliantly. Norwegians are not obnoxious people, but i've seen them do this kind of thing. It's not that hostile though, just naughty. |
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