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May-04-09
 | | kamalakanta: In his interview with Susan Polgar Spassky states that he is working on his autobiography.... |
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May-05-09 | | timhortons: B.Spassky is a real gentleman, i never heard him say rude comments towards Fischer.Kasparov is more rude toward Bobby Fischer,in his books and interviews. B. Spassky must be enjoying his old age,like Karpov he is an ambassador of these sport.Enjoying invites from big tournaments organizers and enjoying travelling. He must have earned millions in chess. |
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May-12-09
 | | kamalakanta: <timhortons: B.Spassky is a real gentleman, i never heard him say rude comments towards Fischer.Kasparov is more rude toward Bobby Fischer,in his books and interviews. B. Spassky must be enjoying his old age,like Karpov he is an ambassador of these sport.Enjoying invites from big tournaments organizers and enjoying travelling. He must have earned millions in chess.>
I can't wait for his book to come out. |
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May-28-09 | | Some call me Tim: Chessgames.com-- the bio on Spassky says Fischer's win in 1972 ended 35 years of Soviet hegemony over the World Championship. In fact the reign was 24 years. Alekhine had the title from 1937-46 and although born Russian was decidedly NOT a Soviet. He left Russia in 1921 never to return and even at that point the government regarded him as a counter-revolutionary. Later he was a pro-Fascist and Nazi sympathizer. In 1946-48 there was no one. Then came Botvinnik... |
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May-28-09 | | Some call me Tim: Incidentally to the references to the "big red book" of Spassky's games. First, Gligoric referred to a 355-game collection of Spassky games "edited by Dr. Wilhagen in Hamburg." Cafferty's book is not mentioned here or elsewhere. Second, there is the famous story of Bob Wade putting this collection together of Spassky's games (he did the same for Fischer for the Taimanov, Larsen and Petrosian matches). When completed at a cost of many man-hours the collection was in a binder with red velvet cover (hence the red book, no doubt). Famously, Fischer lambasted Wade for using the wrong format, by running the moves horizontally rather than vertically. According to Edmonds & Eidinow at 131-132 Wade still has the letter he received to this effect, and with nary a thanks for his efforts. Wade dutifully redid the moves from scratch. |
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May-28-09
 | | Benzol: IIRC Cafferty's book on Spassky appeared while the 1972 match was in progress. I believe it was also rushed into print so a number of mistakes were present in it's first edition. I think the publishers Batsford feared that if it appeared after the match it's market might have disappeared. In this post from the first page of the <Benzol> forum some light is shed on what Bob Wade did to help Fischer in his matches in 1971, 1972, 1975 and 1992. <I was very fortunate to meet Robert Wade this morning as he was passing through Auckland on his way to the Queenstown Classic. Although he is physically frail (84 years old and has to use a walking stick) he still mentally very alert. <Caissanist> asked about Fischer and Bob said that he provided game files on all the opponents Fischer faced in matches he played in 1971 and 1972. He also did the same job in 1975 for the aborted Ficher-Karpov Match and again in 1992 for the second Spassky Match. His only other activity with GM's was with local British players (Nigel Short was not one of them, however). <ughaibu> asked about the Benjamin brothers and it appears that after the 1970's they completely dropped out of chess. He seems a very warm and generous man and will be seeing his sister in Dunedin for the first time in sixty years. I wish him all the best in Queenstown.>
I can also tell you that Fischer was somewhat annoyed with Bob Wade and Kevin O'Connell over "The Games Of Robert J Fischer". Bob thought the because of the size of the work the book wouldn't appear until well after the 1972 match was over. When the book came out earlier Fischer was angry because the Soviet think tank had immediate access to all his pet lines and could analyse all his games in detail to reveal weaknesses in his play. I think it's odd that Fischer thought that it was OK for him to have access to Spassky's games but didn't like the idea of Spassky having access to any of his. |
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Jun-07-09
 | | kamalakanta: <Benzol>
<I think it's odd that Fischer thought that it was OK for him to have access to Spassky's games but didn't like the idea of Spassky having access to any of his.> It seems that all great champions are sore losers! |
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Jun-08-09 | | jackpawn: <Benzol> I'm sure the Soviets already had all of Fischer's games scores going back to at least 1957. Once he won the US Championship at age 14 he was marked as a potential threat to 'their' title. |
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Jun-08-09 | | Petrosianic: You really think they were quaking in their boots just because some kid won the US Championship? (Imagine how terrified they must have been when Lombardy went 11-0 at the World Junior Championship earlier in the year.) Personally, I think they were more arrogant and less cowardly, and didn't really take Fischer seriously enough until it was far too late (maybe as late as 1971). |
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Jun-08-09 | | pawn to QB4: I don't know when they started "quaking in their boots", but a quick look through my records had Korchnoi (1966)sensing "that Fischer was developing into a very powerful force"; Botvinnik before that assuming that he'd be leaving the stage for Fischer and Tal to dispute the title for years; and a survey of Soviet fans putting him second favourite (to Tal) for the Candidates' Tournament in '62. I'd have thought that after he won the Interzonal of '62 anyone would have assessed his chances of being a future world champ as comparable to those of Carlsen today...and top masters are probably better at picking 'em than ordinary fans.
So I'd say '71 is much too late as the time he was taken seriously as a possible threat (though Spassky was often reproached, e.g. by Korchnoi in '66, for underestimating the danger); '57 might well be too early, but not necessarily. A 14 year old who performed like that nowadays would certainly come to the attention of top players half the world away. |
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Jun-08-09 | | jackpawn: Did they see him as an immediate threat in '57, as a 14 yrs old? No, of course not. But they certainly saw him as a future threat. Remember up to that point in history nobody achieved anything remotely comparable at his age. Botvinnik commented, upon seeing Fischer's game against Byrne (at age 13!!), "we must watch this boy". |
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Jun-18-09 | | parisattack: Spassky Books -
Spassky's 100 Games - Cafferty
Spassky's Best Games - Soltis
51 Games of Boris Spassky - Soltis
Spassky's Road to the Summit - Cozens
Spassky Master of the Initiative -Raetsky/Chetverik
Grand Strategy - 60 Games of Spassky - Reek
Spassky 300 Games - Chess Stars
Spassky - Weltgeschichte des Schachs
Boris Spassky World's Greatest Chess Player - Schroeder Schroeder and Raetsky/Chetverik my personal favorites. Can anyone add to the list - English language or trans-language like the Welt and 300 books? |
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Jun-18-09 | | AnalyzeThis: <Petrosianic: You really think they were quaking in their boots just because some kid won the US Championship? > They probably thought he was just another talented junior until Stockholm 1962, at which point they must have started to take him seriously. |
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Jun-18-09 | | Petrosianic: They didn't take him seriously even then. Kotov did even better at the 1952 Interzonal, and never got near the title. Too young, too unobjective, and too many personal hangups to ever put his talent together (Fischer that is, not Kotov). The ultimate example of how badly they underestimated him is that as late as 1970, at age 59, Botvinnik still believed he could beat Fischer in a match himself. Their match fell apart because Fischer walked out, not because Botvinnik had the sense to. Fischer was afraid he couldn't get the best of Botvinnik in a mere 18 games and demanded at the last minute that they change it to first to win 6 games. Good thing for Botvinnik's sake that he did, because he spared him a terrible end-of-career beating. It's politically correct to imagine all sorts of plots against Fischer, to explain away his setbacks, but in fact the Soviets were guilty of the opposite sin: failing to take him seriously enough until it was far too late. They'd had no serious opposition for so long they just couldn't bring themselves to admit that an outsider might stand a real chance against their superior system. |
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Jun-18-09 | | parisattack: The chapter on Portoroz 1958 in Russians versus Fischer seems to well indicate the Soviets were more than just 'aware' of Fischer. Koblenz - 'Bobby passed a serious examination in his games against the four Soviet participants, who, I will not hide the fact, very much wanted to 'punish' the youth.' |
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Jun-18-09
 | | HeMateMe: How could they not take him seriously? He had a plus score against almost russian or soviet sattellite player, except Spassky, and, I think, Leonid Stein. |
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Jun-20-09 | | jackpawn: Again, to repeat my point, absolutely nobody in history achieved Fischer's success at age 14-15 up to that time. Remember, this was in the 1950's, well before computers made it much easier for youngsters to become very strong at an early age. I think nearly everyone in the chess community saw him as a potential world champion in the future. |
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Jun-20-09 | | slomarko: <but in fact the Soviets were guilty of the opposite sin: failing to take him seriously enough until it was far too late.> Petrosianic trolling like usual. |
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Jun-20-09
 | | keypusher: <Petrosianic> <jackpawn> I think he was seen as a possible future WC 1958-1962. But for the rest of the 1960s his temperment and results worsened. I think between one and the other the Soviets started to think he would never get it together to make a real run at the title. Based purely on results I think Botvinnik was justified in thinking he would suffer a narrow defeat, but nothing worse, in early 1970. But I also agree with Petrosianic that Botvinnik would have gotten killed because it turned out that Fischer had seriously raised his game. |
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Jun-20-09 | | visayanbraindoctor: <jackpawn: Again, to repeat my point, absolutely nobody in history achieved Fischer's success at age 14-15 up to that time. Remember, this was in the 1950's, well before computers made it much easier for youngsters to become very strong at an early age.> An interesting observation. Continuously active competitive chessplayers keep on getting stronger until at some point in their careers, they hit a plateau, and then sometime in middle age begin sliding down; with intermittent valleys and peaks interspersed all throughout. Within a population of interacting players, this is reflected in their ratings. For most chessplayers before the computer age, the chess plateau seemed to occur at around the ages of 26 to 40. There are notable exceptions. Morphy, Lasker, Pillsbury, Reshevsky, Fine, Keres, Tal, Karpov, Kasparov, and Kramnik seemed to have been playing near their plateau right out of their teens or in their early 20s; but in general this trend can be seen for such luminaries as Anderssen, Steinitz, Rubinstein, Capablanca, Alekhine, Euwe, Botvinnik, Bronstein, Smyslov, Petrosian, Spassky, Korchnoi, Fischer, and Anand. At the other end, Anderssen, Steinitz, Lasker, Botvinnik, and Karpov were still close to their high plateau even at 50. With the advent of computer-assisted learning, it's possible that this plateau has been moved to younger ages. This could account for the glut of youthful prodigies since 2000. However, unless something fundamentally changes to the human genome such that it can now blueprint brains that function like computers, youthful prodigies would be expected to reach their high plateaus too; only that this would more often occur earlier than in past generations. Eventually, it will be the individual's innate chess abilities as determined by his genes, chess opportunities in his social setting, motivation, and health which will determine how high his plateau would be and how long it would last. |
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Jun-20-09
 | | HeMateMe: One could make the point that this computer assitance, deeper opening theory, computer-assisted middle game planning, deeper end game calculations, etc., also benefits the players in their 30s who have to play against the teen prodigies. ALL players now have a deeper repertoire, so it is unclear if the advent of chess software benefits one group more than the other. The appearance of several teen GMs might be due to ratings 'devaluation.' When Bobby Fischer was a teenager, there were approximately 200 GMs in the world. Now, I guess, there are several thousand. This makes the GM title a bit watered down. Of all these teen prodigies in the last few years, only Magnus Carlson and Hou Yifan have shown real promise for cracking the top ten and staying there. |
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Jun-20-09 | | visayanbraindoctor: <HeMateMe: One could make the point that this computer assistance, deeper opening theory, computer-assisted middle game planning, deeper end game calculations, etc., also benefits the players in their 30s who have to play against the teen prodigies. ALL players now have a deeper repertoire, so it is unclear if the advent of chess software benefits one group more than the other.> Good point. Instead of going through dozens of printed chess magazines, openings books, and tournament books, the masters of the 1990s (including Anand, Kramnik, Topalov, Ivanchuk, Gelfand, Shirov, Kamsky and so on) just have to press a few buttons on the keyboard. Computers make research easier for every one. Had good computer chess software existed in 1980s, then there could have been a glut of of teen GMs right in 1990, beginning with the above players. They probably would have reached their plateau earlier. Or maybe not, as there are other hypotheses given below. <The appearance of several teen GMs might be due to ratings 'devaluation.' When Bobby Fischer was a teenager, there were approximately 200 GMs in the world. Now, I guess, there are several thousand. This makes the GM title a bit watered down.> Indeed, there seems to be a popular feeling that the term Grandmaster had a higher value before the 1990s. Has any mathematician made a thesis on <ratings devaluation>? Thus in the above discussion, the appearance of numerous teen GMs in the 2000s may be due to 1. Computer chess softwares.
2. Ratings devaluation.
3. The existence of numerous GMs today makes it easier for non GMs to make the norms. Other hypotheses:
4. I think there was a time when FIDE required only 2 norms; or in brief made it easier to become a GM, resulting in a sudden increase of GMs, which in turn would lead to #3 above. 5. The dissolution of the Soviet Union allowed numerous local players there, who were already playing chess at GM levels but could not make the norms because the tournaments they played in were mostly unrated or were all limited to Soviet Union citizens, to play in international tournaments in Western Europe which were rated and which had the required participants from multiple countries to create GM norms. 6. And how about: People today are inherently more intelligent than they were in the 1980s? As mentioned above, human genomes are more or less the same in the 1980s and today, so unless the human genome gets significantly altered to begin the production of brains that function like computers, IMO this is simply a form of present-generation narcissism. |
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Jun-20-09
 | | HeMateMe: the more GMs, and the more tournament activity--the more new GMs are created. There is probably some kind of math formula that tells you just how much expansion occurs, given a few known variables. I guess its irrelevant, given that, after following a few strong tournaments each year, you realize who the real killers are. One interest aspecet about changing physiology--its been suggested that kids are bigger today (athletes for example, are much bigger) because of certain foods like milk have changed. Because livestock are fed with feed that contains steroids, some of this is thought to be going into the reproduction cycle, we are 'growing' bigger, larger kids. Could they mean a larger, more efficiant brain? Who knows... |
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Jun-21-09 | | visayanbraindoctor: <I guess its irrelevant, given that, after following a few strong tournaments each year, you realize who the real killers are.> Quite right. For any given population of interacting active chessplayers, every one gets to quickly know who the real killers are. <HeMateMe: Because livestock are fed with feed that contains steroids, some of this is thought to be going into the reproduction cycle, we are 'growing' bigger, larger kids. Could they mean a larger, more efficiant brain?> Unfortunately not. Our genes program the number of neurons we have at birth, and neurons do not divide to form more neurons after they have differentiated. They can die though; but fortunately there is usually enough to keep our brains functional for a lifetime. The upright stance of humans also result in narrower pelvises. Larger pelvises would result in women who could not walk upright. For more than a hundred thousand years, any baby born with too large a head, resulting in a cephalo-pelvic disproportion, died. Often along with its mother. "Died at childbirth" was quite common before modern Medicine, and this was one of the reasons. I would guess that this was one of the evolutionary constraints regarding growing a larger brain. By the way, there is a theory that the evolution of larger brains is the result of neoteny. But this is another story. |
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Jul-07-09 | | Tripler: Didn't Spassky say recently that he wished he had been playing in the C19th? "Now you lose when your phone rings." Still, Chigorin used to have a bottle of brandy by the table in his match with Steinitz. (As you do when you're trying to become the world chess champion.) It's well known that Spassky's results were dire for a champion after 1969 - in the 60s he was probably the best player (apart from the 1966 loss to Petrosian) - but he was not a Party Member and is really an old fashioned Russian monarchist who, er, lives in France... |
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