Sep-11-06 | | EmperorAtahualpa: So he died at 38 years old. That's pretty young! Does anyone know what happened to him? |
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Sep-11-06 | | hellstrafer: <EmperorAtahualpa: So he died at 38 years old> He died at 28 years old. ;) |
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Sep-11-06 | | EmperorAtahualpa: LOL, you're right, thanks. But my question remains! What happened to him? |
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Nov-09-06
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Feb-23-07 | | suenteus po 147: Vaccinations in those days were all but nonexistant. He could have contracted malaria or anything else and been too sick to travel back home, and then later died. |
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Feb-23-07 | | NakoSonorense: <Vaccinations in those days were all but nonexistant.> Suenteus, I get your point, but aren't you saying that there were actually vaccinations back then? Your sentence... uhmmm, confuses me! :S |
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Feb-23-07 | | suenteus po 147: <NakoSonorense> Though vaccinations (primarily against smallpox) were known and even widespread in the early 20th century, they were by no means common or compulsory. It wasn't until after WWII that vaccinations became commonplace. |
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Mar-26-07 | | sleepkid: Raud, like many other chess players participating in the Olympiad, stayed in Argentina after the outbreak of World War II, rather than return to Europe. Raud fared poorly in Argentina, and in 1941 when he couldn't afford his lodging house any longer, he wandered the streets for two weeks where he was arrested by police. The following day he was sent to a mental asylum, but died there just after arrival. The coroner listed the death as being caused by "debilitation and typhoid fever" - just short of his 28th birthday. |
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Jun-15-07 | | whiteshark: <<EmperorAtahualpa>: ... That's pretty young! Does anyone know what happened to him?> see chessnote no. 4905 <Ilmar Raud and Argentinian chess>. It includes two pictures http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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Feb-19-11
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At third board of the Estonian team was Ilmar Raud. Estonian champion in 1934, performances for his native country had been little inferior to those of his distinguished friends Keres and Schmidt. English chess followers had met him in Margate, the Easter before, where he took fourth place in an exceptionally strong Reserves tournament. During the Buenos Aires tournament, the war broke out...Raud remained behind with many others...Of these masters, Najdorf, Eliskases and Stahlberg are experts of the topmost calibre, who could be relied on to make their way in any community with a pretension to civilisation. Najdorf's success has been scintillating; as one of the greatest lightning players of all time, he has been able, through whirlwind simultaneous displays, to make money - and spend it - like water. But what of those not quite top-notchers? The history of chess is studded with miserable stories of near-success, and now Ilmar Raud, in dying, has given us another. His play had always shown flashes of brilliance but that solidity essential for a consistent record was not there. It is said that his mother begged him to return home and that one of his brothers was killed when the Soviets annexed Estonia. The long-awaited tournament at Mar del Plata gave the many European masters their chance. Stahlberg's triumph was Raud's failure: he could only finish fourteenth out of eighteen players, with four of the five Argentine players above him. That meant that whilst Stahlberg would be offered many and many an engagement and be welcomed as tutor in many a rich home, Raud would be unwanted. There is not even a bare subsistence in Argentine cafe chess. Soon after, came Raud's last tournament, an event staged by the Circolo Argentino. His principal competitors were Frydman, who finished first, and Grau and Luckis who tied for second place. Raud led the tournament for several rounds, but then began to slip back. He refused to participate in the supper offered by the officials of the organising body. In the final score-table he finished fourth. Conditions in South America's chess world are extraordinary. Grau has achieved a position of extraordinary power and influence and is virtually dictator of Argentine chess; it is authentically stated that his chess organising activities have netted him at least 5,000 pounds in two years. Yet tournament after tournament goes through in the most haphazard and unsatisfactory fashion. Dates and venues are altered at random; even at Mar Del Plata, the masters' accommodation was very unsatisfactory and the bonus per point, originally announced as ten pesos, turned our finally to be eight only. Sometimes no prize-money is paid until weeks after the tournament is over. Through the Circolo Argentino's tournament (which Grau organised) finished in April, the prize distribution did not take place until June 29th (a personal telephone call by Luckis to Palau, Grau's right-hand man achieved this!). Raud's prize was only a few shillings. At 10.00 am on that very June 29th, he left his poor lodging-house never to return. He was found wandering in the streets and was arrested by police. It is said there was a fight, and visitors subsequently observed obvious evidence of blows. He spent a bitterly cold night in the police yard, and the next day was sent to a lunatic asylum, where he died at 2.00 am, on July 13th, at the early age of 27. The doctor's certificate gave, as cause of death, general debility and typhoid fever, but the general verdict is - starvation! His body was cremated, and the ashes have been conveyed by the Estonian consulate to Europe." |
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May-11-16 | | whiteshark: Here's a fine but dateless picture of Ilmar Raud : http://soloscacchi.altervista.org/w... source: http://soloscacchi.altervista.org/?... (2nd player) |
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Apr-13-17 | | JimNorCal: A shame he had no other skill to fall back on. Even a dishwasher at a restaurant will typically be fed a meal or two per day as part of his compensation. |
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Aug-28-17 | | whiteshark: Detailed bio in Estonian: http://www.eestimale.ee/raud2017/ir... |
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Oct-01-17 | | visayanbraindoctor: <cause of death, general debility and typhoid fever, but the general verdict is - starvation! His body was cremated, and the ashes have been conveyed by the Estonian consulate to Europe."> The Estonian consulate should have at the very least given Raud food and temporary shelter. They must have known he was around because he officially represented Estonia in the Olympiad. This looks like a failure of the Estonian consulate officials at that time. |
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Oct-03-17 | | nimh: There was no Estonian consulate in Argentine in the pre-war years, as far as I can tell after some research on the web. |
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Jul-24-24 | | vonKrolock: Buenos Aires
"Torneo Circulo de Ajedrez"
June 15th to August 3rd 1940
Frydman, Paulin 11.5;
Grau, Roberto 9;
Luckis, Markas 9;
Raud, Ilmar 8;
Sulik, Franciszek 7;
Czerniak, Moshe 7;
Winz, Victor 7;
Guimard, Carlos 6.5;
Gerschman, José 5.5;
Palau, Luis 5;
Benkö, Francisco 5;
Puiggrós, Guillermo 5;
Ojeda, Joaquin 3;
de Ronde, A. 2.5;
* di Felice, apud edochess |
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Jul-24-24 | | vonKrolock: J.S. MORGADO (*quickly translated from Spanish): <" It was played at the Círculo in June/July 1940, and won by Frydman 11½/13, followed by Grau and Luckis 9; Raud 8, Winz, Czerniak and Sulik 7; Guimard 6½, etc. In "Ajedrez Americano" No. 63, p. 197, and no. 64, page. 130, a chronicle, commented games and the final table of positions are transcribed. <Nothing is mentioned about Raud's absence at the closing dinner.> In Caissa no. 27, page 222, a magazine that represented the <“anti-Grau”> sector mainly in the person of Adolf Seitz, there is only a very brief note, and in no. 29, page. 271, a broader chronicle with the table of positions. "> More here https://es.chessbase.com/post/raud_... |
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Jul-27-24 | | vonKrolock: What follows would be taken from "Chess" (1941 or 2010?!) translated by Morgado (and retranslated here for illustration): <" Shortly after, Raud's last tournament arrived, an event organized by the Círcolo Argentino. Their main competitors were Frydman, who finished first, and Grau and Luckis who tied for second place. Raud led the tournament for several rounds, but then began to fall back. He refused to participate in the dinner offered by officials of the organizing body. In the final score he finished fourth."> NOTA BENE:
<"Shortly after"> Refers already to Year 1941 - but the Event mentioned occurred one Year before, in middle 1940 - therefore NOT Raud's sic <"last Tournament"> |
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Jul-27-24 | | vonKrolock: [Event "Circulo de Ajedrez"]
[Site "Buenos Aires"]
[Date "1940.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "M Luckis"]
[Black "I Raud"]
[ECO "D63"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "80"]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Be7 5.Bg5 Nbd7 6.e3 O-O 7.Rc1 c6 8.Bd3 a6 9.cxd5 exd5 10.Qc2 Re8 11.O-O Nf8 12.Ne5 Ng4 13.Bxe7 Qxe7 14.Nxg4 Bxg4 15.Ne2 Rad8 16.Ng3 Rd6 17.Rfe1 Qh4 18.b4 Rh6 19.Nf1 Ne6 20.a4 Bf3 21.Be2 Be4 22.Qd2 Ng5 23.f3 Nh3+ 24.gxh3 Rg6+ 25.Ng3 Rxg3+ 26.hxg3 Qxg3+ 27.Kf1 Qxh3+ 28.Kg1 Qg3+ 29.Kf1 Qh2 30.fxe4 Re6 31.Qd1 dxe4 32.Rc2 Qh3+ 33.Kg1 Rg6+ 34.Bg4 Rxg4+ 35.Qxg4 Qxg4+ 36.Rg2 Qf5 37.Rb2 h6 38.b5 c5 39.Rc2 Qg5+ 40.Rg2 Qd5 0-1 |
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Jul-27-24 | | vonKrolock: The above Game was presented in this online article https://www.chess.com/blog/simaginf... but whoever signs the article (and the comments to the game?!), the blogger <simaginfan>, seems to be somewhat confused about dates and locations... However: NOTA BENE:
The Game could not have been played in Mar del Plata 1941. That was another Game I Raud vs M Luckis, 1941 Furthermore, this Game could not have been played in the Buenos 1941 "Hebraica" Tournament, which was probably Raud's last tournament, for the straightforward reason that Luckis did NOT play there http://www.edochess.ca/tournaments/... |
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Jul-27-24 | | vonKrolock: To be fair to <simaginfan>, I need to note that only this passage: <"Fourth place came in Mar del Plata (October 1940). That's probably where Raud's best game comes from, a roaring victory over the Lithuanian Luckis.">
contains just two little Inaccuracies: <"probably"...> sic <"Mar del Plata"> , and not Buenos Aires; and sic <"October"> 1940 : But it's quite clear that the Game appears later in the Article because it is, for <simaginfan>, his <"best"> one. |
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Aug-04-24 | | vonKrolock: Morgado, in chessbase 2017: < "Subsequently, on May 19, 1941, the <Sociedad Hebraica> Tournament began, which ended on June 21"
(...) "Precisely, the tournament program already established that the prizes would be awarded during a dinner on June 29..." (...) < 'La Prensa' > June 29th 1941 (apud Morgado): "In the halls of the 'Sociedad Hebraica Argentina, Callao 348, the awards ceremony for the recent International Tournament will take place tonight at 9:30 p.m
[1]. The list of winners includes Paulin Frydman, winner – who will not be present as he is traveling to Brazil, where 'he will play in the São Paulo tournament' [2] –, Gideon Ståhlberg, Herman Pilnik, Movsa Feigins, Miguel Czerniak, Francisco Sulik, Juan Iliesco and Jacobo Bolbochan. Additionally, the <SHA> authorities have established a special prize for the most brilliant game, which will be awarded when the opinion of the commission designated for this purpose, made up of Messrs. Roberto Grau, Luis Palau and Paulino Alles Monasterio, is known."> * Indeed, as we saw already in edochess, the Buenos Aires Hebraica (SHA) 1941 Tournament resulted in: 1 Frydman, Paulin 12.5 ;
2 Ståhlberg, Gideon 12 ;
3 Pilnik, Herman 11.5 ;
4 Feigins, Movsa 11 ;
5 Sulik, Franciszek 9 ;
6 Czerniak, Moshe 9 ;
7 Iliesco, Juan 8 ;
8 Bolbochán, Jácobo 7.5 ;
9 Winz, Victor;
10 Marini, Luis 6 ;
11 ***** <Raud, Ilmar> ***** 5.5 ; 12 Puiggrós, Guillermo 4.5 ;
13 Rauch, Meir 5 ;
14 Gerschman, José 4.5 ;
15 Kleinsteins, Zalamans 3 ;
16 Benkö, Francisco 3.
** NOTES : (1) Two weeks before Ilmar Raud death!; (2) This must refer to Aguas de Sao Pedro / Sao Paulo (1941) July 2nd to 26th 1941 |
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